Hi Guys,
I’ve been reading and reading for so long now, I think it’s time to take the next step.
Diet and training are spot on. I’ve overcome halted training etc. But I now feel I want to add that something special.
After looking at various options out there, I was thinking of running for my first cycle:
6 weeks 250mg Sos a week and 50mg winni every other day, with Nolvadex on hand should things go tits up… Pardon the pun.
Please comment… I’ll take the good with the bad any feedback please??
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Well no offence but have you been reading about steroids?
Because if you had, I don’t think you would have suggested sust for 6 weeks at such a low dose, and winny EOD.
I think you might just be putting some random shit out here, hoping that one of us will step in and say “No, do it like this:”
Bushy[/quote]
Well said.
I’m sorry, but I tend to be extremely skeptical of anybody that claims to have diet and training “spot on.” This takes years of practice and knowledge.
[quote]Contrl wrote:
I’m sorry, but I tend to be extremely skeptical of anybody that claims to have diet and training “spot on.” This takes years of practice and knowledge.[/quote]
No one even knows what “spot on” really is, and obviously even less so the people who claim to be there.
Hold up!! I’m not looking for free info. I accept that I do find the whole topic a mind field and must confess I’ve made an error on my post…
This could still be wrong, but I meant 1ml of sust twice a week. And I was actually intending to do 8 weeks, though guys I know that run sust suggested 12 weeks, but I found that a tad scary.
Again, I’m not looking for a hand-out from anyone on a “no, try this cycle” basis, just a bit of yes/no advice was all I was looking for.
Also, what is wrong with Winny EOD?
To state the obvious, I’m already thinking I need to hit the books again as I feel some what lost even more now. I made a point of staying away from roids while playing competitve sports and this just resulted in me being cluless on the topic.
With regards to the “spot on” comment, I’ve trained for over 10 years with some great strength coaches, fitness coaches etc. I’ve played semi to pro rugby for 5 years up until breaking my neck and since recovery turning to BB as I always loved the gym aspect of my training, so for my standards I am happy with my diet and training so for me it is SPOT ON.
Apologies If I’ve made my first post a complete shambles. Been reading Tnation with real enjoyment for a couple of years now and am gutted that I have started on such a bad note, but hey what can a guy do.
Thanks for the feedback thus far though. At least I know I’m a moron on this topic and have been saved from a set of man boobs! :o)
Back to the reading…
how is doing 12 weeks instead of 8 scary? its an extra 33% thats all
Also if you meant to say 500mg of sus a week for 8 weeks why did you say 250ml for 6 weeks?
I make many typo’s and can allow for that but I think this was not a typo originally.
google sustanon and winstrol (not winny) cycles, you will find many laid out for you.
Here is al little bit of info for you; I�??m fourth week ending into a sus 250 d- bol course. I was running sus one shoot a week had the first 3 shoots, with 30 mg d-bol per/day I started small a few had a cry on this forum, saying I was a dump shit for only doing I shoot of sus a week, in the long run I do what I want to do 2 my self and you can do the same, I started lite with one shoot a week I felt good, my body was taking to it worries so now by my own choice I do 500 mg sus every 10, one shoot every five days, its going fine weight is going up in the gym and muscle heaps like 5kg weight, leg and arm strength just never stops, I feel like superman I guess you could say.
I think as long as you have the pct sorted out for if things going tits up then your safe, start off lite see how it feels then regroup see what way you want to go up down or stay the same, let us know how you go.
Ps If you did not read any thing like Bushy said, then your just lazy c@$t and will never go any were as far as body building goes mate.
Jp
Electric - les of a typo and more of a muddle with my disorganised notes (I know this doesn’t bode well for someone that is looking to get into some thing where your health is at risk etc). I just got my numbers messed up with all the different products I was looking at. So not a typo and more of a f*ck up! Some thing I seem thus far to be doing really well.
BTW - Love the avitar!!!
I can see, looking back, how I’m looking like a real wanker and a total Noob (which I am - a noob that is), so sorry if I’ve pissed people off on here with the “same old same” questions.
Jpositive - thanks for the post. I agree, anyone that doesn’t read up is a complete c*nt!
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
If you had read many posts here, you would quickly realise that a lot of folks strongly advocate against sust because it is a multi-ester product. SO unless you are goping to inject it at least EOD, it will be a sub-optimim choice of steroid.
Sure, I’ve used it in the past, and yes, I achieved some good results. BUT it was my first cycle, and knowing what I know now, I realise that I would have been much better off with just test enanthate (or cyp).
Now the ‘bros’ in the gym will tell you lots of unfounded and semi-mythical bullshit about why sust is the perfect steroid, but I’m guessing that’s because they are either selling the stuff, or they have little or no experience of anything else.
If you can ONLY get sust, then you can make it work for you. Purchase a pre-sealed and sterile vial online, open all your vials of sust and inject all of them into that vial, using safe, ‘sterile’ technique.
Now, if you were planning on shooting 2ml/week (and actually, if you had been reading, you’d know that referring toyuor steroid intake in ml, rather than mg, is mildly retarded as ml technically means fuck all without the concentration information), which equates to 1 ml E3D, you want to do the same TOTAL volume (2ml) but spread EOD throughout the week (to avoid fluctuations in blood hormone levels).
What this means in practice is that you withdraw 0.66 ml of sust from your 10ml vial and inject it monday, wed, fri, sun, tues, thurs, sat, mon, etc, etc,
Onto your second question…
Winstrol suspensions do not exhibit the classical half-life of injectable esters of test, etc. Winstrol is tiny crystals suspended (which is why you must shake the amps thorougly) in a medium for injection. The crystals all dissolve/metabolise at roughly the same rate, so once they are all gone, the level in your blood plummets.
Now with a DHT derivative live winny, this isn’t too bad, since it doesn’t convert to estrogen, therfore fluctuations are not likely to make you more prone to E related sides.
However winstrol is nicely anabolic, so it’s optimum use would really entail the most even administration protocol you can come up with. You might think about the same ‘trick’ as with the sust, i.e. putting all your winstrol into a 10 (or 20ml) vial and withdrawing some ED.
That’s the other thing about winstrol (actually 2 things). Are you ready for ED injects of winny? That’s a lot of injecting… Are you ready for the possible joint pain and possible injury that winny can bring?
In short, I don’t think winstrol is the drug for you.
Just my opinion though.
Bushy[/quote]
Bushy,
Seriously, thank you for that post.
I believe I have access to most options, so I am going to revisit the web etc. And have a re-think.
I have jumped the gun here and I think I’m more Noob than I realised. I need to do more research. I thought I had done enough, but clearly I know nothing other than how to P*ss off a forum 
Again though, thank you for the post mate. Very much appreciated.
Speak English for chrissakes. I’d need to run this through a translator to figure out what it says but I wouldn’t know the default language to set it to.
[quote]jpositive wrote:
Here is al little bit of info for you; I�??m fourth week ending into a sus 250 d- bol course. I was running sus one shoot a week had the first 3 shoots, with 30 mg d-bol per/day I started small a few had a cry on this forum, saying I was a dump shit for only doing I shoot of sus a week, in the long run I do what I want to do 2 my self and you can do the same, I started lite with one shoot a week I felt good, my body was taking to it worries so now by my own choice I do 500 mg sus every 10, one shoot every five days, its going fine weight is going up in the gym and muscle heaps like 5kg weight, leg and arm strength just never stops, I feel like superman I guess you could say.
I think as long as you have the pct sorted out for if things going tits up then your safe, start off lite see how it feels then regroup see what way you want to go up down or stay the same, let us know how you go.
Ps If you did not read any thing like Bushy said, then your just lazy c@$t and will never go any were as far as body building goes mate.
Jp
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