It's Pretty Barbaric (Video)

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[quote]BroLac wrote:
This kinda shit makes my fucking blood boil and yet people wonder why there’s still racism in the world. Guns.[/quote]

What maybe a hundred or so cases a year of street violence in a nation of 300 million is why racism is still here? It has nothing to do with systemic inequities in housing, healthcare, education, access to higher education and the ghettoisation of entire districts of the community, stemming from slavery, debt slavery, segregation and discrimination?

It is really good you have such a well thought out, deep and most importantly scientific analysis of the conditions that cause and spawn effect.

Have you considered tenure at MIT?

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[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]1 Man Island wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:
If I ever see someone do this, I’ll beat them into a stupor.[/quote]

I gotta call BS. It obviously normally happens some place hard to see (like the alley in the video) or easy to get away.
[/quote]
Not necessarily.

[quote]
You’re telling me you’re in an alley with 6, obviously hostile, guys and you’re going to go pick a fight? I hope you’re packing.

Yeah, they obviously take the cowardly route and go for the most vulnerable (alone, facing opposite direction, occupied), but 1 on 6 also makes you pretty vulnerable.[/quote]
Poor context. I won’t pick anything. I’ll attack.[/quote]

You are like, proper tough and that.

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[quote]DiggersNick21 wrote:

[quote]Karado wrote:
It’s the coarsening of the culture, and the guy who burned to death in Los Angeles a few
days ago during a Halloween bash as most watched and a few cheered while he was
dying is another sign of our Barbaric culture…some did help, but it was too late.
So, How can a culture like this survive long term?
It cannot…It’s not enemy at the Door it’s the Termites in the floor.

[/quote]

Im sorry but the whole sign of the times, coarsening of culture thing is such a straw man. People have said that in every generation about the preceding one.

Right now, war is the most civilised it has ever been. wealth is more accessible than it has ever been. people are far less violent than they were.

2013 is the most peaceful, least violent and most altruistic version of earth since its inception.

How does a very fringe subculture of youths equal a coarsening of culture? Sexism is far less rampant today, racist is far less horrific and overt. Culture is flowering, look at the 50s and look at the 200s.

What was perfectly fine then is now seen as horrific, back then you could molest kids as a teacher and just be sacked. Jim isn’t welcome in this establishment anymore kind of deal.

Lets not let the hyperbole and jingoism of the society is falling apart chants remove the memory of the mongols flaying peoples skiin off or the holocaust and the decades of open pedophillia, sexism and spousal abuse from the 1400 to about 1999
[/quote]
The sky is not falling, but barbarism is doing very well.

I find the whole idea of “the most peaceful era” bizarrly entertaining, as it shows how detached certain people’s [I’m looking at you, Pinker!] grasp on culture & numbers is.

For instance, molesting children was surly more common in the past, that’s true.
But population is at an all times high, especially in butt-fuck countries… so doing all sorts of nasty things to kids IS a booming business.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:

[quote]DiggersNick21 wrote:

[quote]Karado wrote:
It’s the coarsening of the culture, and the guy who burned to death in Los Angeles a few
days ago during a Halloween bash as most watched and a few cheered while he was
dying is another sign of our Barbaric culture…some did help, but it was too late.
So, How can a culture like this survive long term?
It cannot…It’s not enemy at the Door it’s the Termites in the floor.

[/quote]

Im sorry but the whole sign of the times, coarsening of culture thing is such a straw man. People have said that in every generation about the preceding one.

Right now, war is the most civilised it has ever been. wealth is more accessible than it has ever been. people are far less violent than they were.

2013 is the most peaceful, least violent and most altruistic version of earth since its inception.

How does a very fringe subculture of youths equal a coarsening of culture? Sexism is far less rampant today, racist is far less horrific and overt. Culture is flowering, look at the 50s and look at the 200s.

What was perfectly fine then is now seen as horrific, back then you could molest kids as a teacher and just be sacked. Jim isn’t welcome in this establishment anymore kind of deal.

Lets not let the hyperbole and jingoism of the society is falling apart chants remove the memory of the mongols flaying peoples skiin off or the holocaust and the decades of open pedophillia, sexism and spousal abuse from the 1400 to about 1999
[/quote]
The sky is not falling, but barbarism is doing very well.

I find the whole idea of “the most peaceful era” bizarrly entertaining, as it shows how detached certain people’s [I’m looking at you, Pinker!] grasp on culture & numbers is.

For instance, molesting children was surly more common in the past, that’s true.
But population is at an all times high, especially in butt-fuck countries… so doing all sorts of nasty things to kids IS a booming business.[/quote]

True, but my post was one on moral realism and the idea that society is going down the shitter has been going on forever. Shit, Hunter Thomson said the exact same fucking thing in the seventies! Churchill said it in the 1930s!

What is considered cold blooded, animalistic barbarism today, is not even considered bad 600 years ago.

When people owned their wives, with the same laws as they owned their cattle, could rape, murder and even torture them to force their will on them, it was seen as part of the natural order.

For example Slavery started off as being seen as right and the natural state of affairs amongst the European nations, then it softened, slavery was still hell, but the mechanisms for controlling and working slaves became more “humanised” to reflect enlightenment standards, but it still bore all the hallmarks of what would be considered evil by any man in 2013.

I recommend Neizche and marx for people. It can be hard to really use a realistic and unbiased analysis of the state of affairs when you are being controlled by emotions and personal bias.

For example, when Carlos Condit beat Diaz I was spewing venom “he ran” and “he pussed out” flew out of my mouth.

Then I watched the fight again, on mute, no distractions, no built up excitement and saw that conduit had a great game plan, circled away and landed the biggest shots and more shots.

If you look at the planet we see something very interesting.

The planets most dominant ape, the fifth, to be exact, runs on what us knowledge droppers call “Riptonian physics”

You see, since the dawn of man, life was cruel, hard and full of misery. It has since progressed in a linear fashion each generation it gained a small amount of progress in social relations, material conditions and scientific knowledge. Its epochs and changing modes of production became its benchmarks and personal bests. We occasionally hit setbacks, Fascism and state socialism are those times we stalled on one of the main lifts.

In 1000 years, people will look back at how we live and how we interact with one another and will draw the same comparisons I just drew with us being a reference point. They will say, well look its 3013 and it is the safest, least violent time in history. People have been saying society is going down the tubes for ages. Society is constantly improving.

Look at the early 2000, they had these horrible, murderous regimes that killed millions of people in the middle east so rich guys in suits could make billions, arming, supplying and then rebuilding, but if you compare 2013 to 1200, the guys in 2013 were fucking bastions of science and reason, they pushed altruism as far as they could with their limited understanding and backwards technology.

Well maybe they won’t say it, we better of figured out telekinesis by then. MGS wasn’t just a video game. “ITS STILL REALL TOP ME, DAMMIT :D”

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
For instance, molesting children was surly more common in the past, that’s true.
But population is at an all times high, especially in butt-fuck countries… so doing all sorts of nasty things to kids IS a booming business.[/quote]

I don’t follow.

If population is great now, but people molested children more often previously, then it would be the case that there are fewer child molesters now, correct?

Which would mean that society is less barbaric now than before, if the number of child molesters is one of the metrics that you can use to measure that.

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[quote]DiggersNick21 wrote:
How do you get that much power in a punch where the other person just face plants to the floor? Those black kids looked skinny too, where does that power come from?[/quote]

It’s not so much the power it’s more the fact that the person was totally prone and unsuspecting. A lot of power can be negated even with a partial block or movement of the head. And for everyone that ends up like these ones did there must be plenty where the person wasn’t knocked out cold.

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Well then Diggersnick, you are right about us being the most peaceful era since recorded history,
and Steven Pinker’s book ‘‘The Better Angels Of Our Nature’’ is the definitive book on that, but don’t
be so anxious to put your rose colored glasses on, it’s still a pretty dangerous world and always has been.

But I’m a little surprised with a Man of your apparent intelligence wondering how such a skinny
individual could possess such ‘‘power’’ and where that power comes from…That
perception come from false assumptions mostly portrayed in media where the BIG Muscular
Testosterone overdosed Guy is always the badass…nothing is further from the truth.

One of the most legit and respected individuals of the 20th Century was Bruce Lee, a skinny
individual who was barely 140 pounds soaking wet…‘‘Martial Arts’’/Movies or not, growing up in Chicago
I’ve lost count the times I’ve seen skinny runts kick bigger dudes asses in fights, sometimes knocking them
out cold.
Dynamite comes in small packages.

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[quote]nebil12 wrote:
What is wrong with these kids? Iâ??ll never understand what drives some people to act the way they do? This is beyond sick. And the teenagers (human trash) who did this should be in jail for at least 20 years, if not for life.

Poverty. Bad upbringing. Lack of parental guidance and role models. Hanging out with violent individuals (peer pressure). Lack of peer leadership. Insufficient avenues to let out pent up aggression i.e. sports. Lack of education. Minimal perceived risk of consequences. Racial hate further fueled by incidents like Trayvon (the perpetrators in the video were all black and all the victims shown were white).

The easiest way to curb this kind of behavior is to make the consequences widely known. Frankly, it doesn’t matter if it’s vigilante (including police brutality) or criminal persecution because it wouldn’t take much to send the message.

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
criminal persecution because it wouldn’t take much to send the message.
[/quote]

The consequences of crime are pretty well known. It still exists.

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just got my CPL(conceal pistol license) in the mail today.

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[quote]StevenF wrote:
just got my CPL(conceal pistol license) in the mail today. [/quote]

Difficult to get good sight picture when you’re lying unconscious on the pavement. A concealed carry wouldn’t have helped any of the victims in those videos. Pretty sure Jersey is a gun free zone anyway.

These idiots clearly target unsuspecting victims. Learn not to be unsuspecting and it’s much less likely that you’ll find yourself a victim. A sucker punch requires a sucker.

Situational awareness >>> CCW/CPL

But it’d nice to have both if you have the option. Of course, always remember what Jeff Cooper said, “Owning a handgun doesn’t make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician”.

No CCW where I live anyway, so it’s situational awareness all the way.

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To add on to batman, a lot of times they take the person’s stuff after… CCW would mean they now have a gun.

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]nebil12 wrote:
What is wrong with these kids? I�?�¢??ll never understand what drives some people to act the way they do? This is beyond sick. And the teenagers (human trash) who did this should be in jail for at least 20 years, if not for life.

Poverty. Bad upbringing. Lack of parental guidance and role models. Hanging out with violent individuals (peer pressure). Lack of peer leadership. Insufficient avenues to let out pent up aggression i.e. sports. Lack of education. Minimal perceived risk of consequences. Racial hate further fueled by incidents like Trayvon (the perpetrators in the video were all black and all the victims shown were white).

The easiest way to curb this kind of behavior is to make the consequences widely known. Frankly, it doesn’t matter if it’s vigilante (including police brutality) or criminal persecution because it wouldn’t take much to send the message.
[/quote]

Maybe we could address the first things you listed. You know, things as white people, you can actually influence.

Nah, just get the shotgun and head for the poplar trees.

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Makes me want to dress up like a bum, and play unsuspecting smoe, and then turn the tables, and kick the crap out of a bunch of unsuspecting wantabees. Any MMA / tough guys from New Jersy this is how you should be getting your sparring practice. Ive seen tons of these lttle wantabees when Ive done time in jail, scrawny little punks (black, and white) only tough when theyre in packs. you give them a slap and a shake, and they start crying and theyre knees buckle out from under them. Really wish I lived in Jersy, me and my friends would come up with our own game.

Im sure theres guys like me in Jersy, sombodys got to turn the tables on these little F$%Ks. The law won`t do anything, but a slap on the wrist. This can only end up bad, somone will end up dead, or really injured. Man this story bugs me, I showed my buddies when they were over last night, buddy reminded me that when I was 17-18 I used to hang around the bar at last call, and pick fights with the drunks comming out, hurt some guys pretty bad.

Mabey thats why this bugs mne so much, because it`s kind of the evolution of what I used to do, but I never suckered anyone. I did come from an abusive home, so mabey thats some of these kids story. What ever.

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[quote]DiggersNick21 wrote:

[quote]Karado wrote:
It’s the coarsening of the culture, and the guy who burned to death in Los Angeles a few
days ago during a Halloween bash as most watched and a few cheered while he was
dying is another sign of our Barbaric culture…some did help, but it was too late.
So, How can a culture like this survive long term?
It cannot…It’s not enemy at the Door it’s the Termites in the floor.

[/quote]

Im sorry but the whole sign of the times, coarsening of culture thing is such a straw man. People have said that in every generation about the emerging one.

Right now, war is the most civilised it has ever been. wealth is more accessible than it has ever been. people are far less violent than they were.

2013 is the most peaceful, least violent and most altruistic version of earth since its inception.

How does a very fringe subculture of youths equal a coarsening of culture? Sexism is far less rampant today, racism is far less horrific and overt. Culture is flowering, look at the 50s and look at the 200s.

What was perfectly fine then is now seen as horrific, back then you could molest kids as a teacher and just be sacked. Jim isn’t welcome in this establishment anymore kind of deal.

Lets not let the hyperbole and jingoism of the society is falling apart chants remove the memory of the mongols flaying peoples skiin off or the holocaust and the decades of open pedophillia, sexism and spousal abuse from the 1400 to about 1999
[/quote]

And let’s not let unbridled optimism blind us to certain facts.

Aggravated assaults in the US rose 7x between 1957 and 1993. Declines in murder rates during that time were due more to advances in trauma surgery (resulting largely from combat medicine) than to the flowering of culture. Even in kinder, gentler Canada the assault rate has gone up 4x since 1964.

Violent crime rates dropped slightly during the 90’s, due largely to aggressive policing and economic prosperity but they’re still roughly 5x what they were in the 50’s. Assaults on peace officer’s are also on the rise, particularly among youths.

From 1998-2008 in Canada the rate of youths assaulting PO’s increased by 52% to a level 7x that of adults. In 2011 68 Federal, State and Local LEO’s were killed by gunfire. That’s one every 5 days or so. Fatalities for LE would be easily 2-3x higher were it not for the widespread adoption of body armour and superior tactical training.

Rapid mass murder/active shooter statistics tell a similar story. From 1975 until Columbine in 1999 attempted and completed mass shootings in the US averaged about 1 per year. 1999-2010 the average was 4 per year. 2010-2012 the average jumped to 8 per year. I expect we’ll top that in 2013.

So, while we, as a species may be making gains, we here in the West have a few things that need looking at. Humanity may continue to advance, but individual societies rise and fall and I, for one, am not quite ready to see ours slip into decline and barbarism just yet.

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Well it’s really hard to compare between now and then because there are SO many other factors (police force size, access to weapons, drug use, number of reported assaults, population growth, etc.), but that doesn’t mean things are all that great here: suicide rate, drug use, etc.

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[quote]1 Man Island wrote:
Well it’s really hard to compare between now and then because there are SO many other factors (police force size, access to weapons, drug use, number of reported assaults, population growth, etc.), but that doesn’t mean things are all that great here: suicide rate, drug use, etc.[/quote]

Agreed. My point was simply that we’ve got some work to do.

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[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Makes me want to dress up like a bum, and play unsuspecting smoe, and then turn the tables, and kick the crap out of a bunch of unsuspecting wantabees. Any MMA / tough guys from New Jersy this is how you should be getting your sparring practice. Ive seen tons of these lttle wantabees when Ive done time in jail, scrawny little punks (black, and white) only tough when theyre in packs. you give them a slap and a shake, and they start crying and theyre knees buckle out from under them. Really wish I lived in Jersy, me and my friends would come up with our own game.

Im sure theres guys like me in Jersy, sombodys got to turn the tables on these little F$%Ks. The law won`t do anything, but a slap on the wrist. This can only end up bad, somone will end up dead, or really injured. Man this story bugs me, I showed my buddies when they were over last night, buddy reminded me that when I was 17-18 I used to hang around the bar at last call, and pick fights with the drunks comming out, hurt some guys pretty bad.

Mabey thats why this bugs mne so much, because it`s kind of the evolution of what I used to do, but I never suckered anyone. I did come from an abusive home, so mabey thats some of these kids story. What ever.[/quote]

Did you ever rape anyone in prison?

I was reading BAD, the autobiography of james carr and he started raping people in youth authority at like age 15, he lists like 300 times he raped people in his book, fucking absolutely brutal.

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[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]DiggersNick21 wrote:

[quote]Karado wrote:
It’s the coarsening of the culture, and the guy who burned to death in Los Angeles a few
days ago during a Halloween bash as most watched and a few cheered while he was
dying is another sign of our Barbaric culture…some did help, but it was too late.
So, How can a culture like this survive long term?
It cannot…It’s not enemy at the Door it’s the Termites in the floor.

[/quote]

Im sorry but the whole sign of the times, coarsening of culture thing is such a straw man. People have said that in every generation about the emerging one.

Right now, war is the most civilised it has ever been. wealth is more accessible than it has ever been. people are far less violent than they were.

2013 is the most peaceful, least violent and most altruistic version of earth since its inception.

How does a very fringe subculture of youths equal a coarsening of culture? Sexism is far less rampant today, racism is far less horrific and overt. Culture is flowering, look at the 50s and look at the 200s.

What was perfectly fine then is now seen as horrific, back then you could molest kids as a teacher and just be sacked. Jim isn’t welcome in this establishment anymore kind of deal.

Lets not let the hyperbole and jingoism of the society is falling apart chants remove the memory of the mongols flaying peoples skiin off or the holocaust and the decades of open pedophillia, sexism and spousal abuse from the 1400 to about 1999
[/quote]

And let’s not let unbridled optimism blind us to certain facts.

Aggravated assaults in the US rose 7x between 1957 and 1993. Declines in murder rates during that time were due more to advances in trauma surgery (resulting largely from combat medicine) than to the flowering of culture. Even in kinder, gentler Canada the assault rate has gone up 4x since 1964.

Violent crime rates dropped slightly during the 90’s, due largely to aggressive policing and economic prosperity but they’re still roughly 5x what they were in the 50’s. Assaults on peace officer’s are also on the rise, particularly among youths.

From 1998-2008 in Canada the rate of youths assaulting PO’s increased by 52% to a level 7x that of adults. In 2011 68 Federal, State and Local LEO’s were killed by gunfire. That’s one every 5 days or so. Fatalities for LE would be easily 2-3x higher were it not for the widespread adoption of body armour and superior tactical training.

Rapid mass murder/active shooter statistics tell a similar story. From 1975 until Columbine in 1999 attempted and completed mass shootings in the US averaged about 1 per year. 1999-2010 the average was 4 per year. 2010-2012 the average jumped to 8 per year. I expect we’ll top that in 2013.

So, while we, as a species may be making gains, we here in the West have a few things that need looking at. Humanity may continue to advance, but individual societies rise and fall and I, for one, am not quite ready to see ours slip into decline and barbarism just yet.[/quote]

And i n the 50’s, black people had to sit in special places on the bus, were lynched weekly in numerous parts of the south, the was no such thing as rape between man and wife and your government was installing regimes that were literally wiping out massive numbers of people.

So overall, a lot of the dame shit is going on, but a lot of shit is way, way fucking better. Thus, society is not falling apart, it is getting better. No one is acting like its all good, which makes your initial point mute.

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[quote]Karado wrote:
Well then Diggersnick, you are right about us being the most peaceful era since recorded history,
and Steven Pinker’s book ‘‘The Better Angels Of Our Nature’’ is the definitive book on that, but don’t
be so anxious to put your rose colored glasses on, it’s still a pretty dangerous world and always has been.

But I’m a little surprised with a Man of your apparent intelligence wondering how such a skinny
individual could possess such ‘‘power’’ and where that power comes from…That
perception come from false assumptions mostly portrayed in media where the BIG Muscular
Testosterone overdosed Guy is always the badass…nothing is further from the truth.

One of the most legit and respected individuals of the 20th Century was Bruce Lee, a skinny
individual who was barely 140 pounds soaking wet…‘‘Martial Arts’’/Movies or not, growing up in Chicago
I’ve lost count the times I’ve seen skinny runts kick bigger dudes asses in fights, sometimes knocking them
out cold.
Dynamite comes in small packages.[/quote]

I don’t have knockout power, I think thats why it amazes me so much. I remember being in streetlights on my way home from high school that lasted 30 minutes because we couldn’t knock each other out.