[quote]pittbulll wrote:
IMO America has been coddling Israel too long. We have no reason to kiss their ass.
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Well lucky for you, for an ally, Obama is treating them like shit. And believe me, U.S isnt coodling them anymore as much as you think.
Do you understand what you’re saying? Spend money on an actual constitutional mandate? How old school. Apparently you haven’t noticed. We don’t care about lawful mandates like national defense anymore. We have much more important things to worry about. Like destroying ourselves with social spending which dwarfs the defense budget even though it was never dreamed of when this nation was founded.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Cutting the military budget wouldn’t make us solvent. How many times does this have to be repeated? We can’t avoid entitlement cuts, folks! We won’t even be able to afford a military to cut![/quote]
Though, I do want to stress that it’s time for some major cuts in the military budget. True. It’s time we start drawing down and let the world fend for itself. We should be doing this sooner, rather than later. Wait to later, and it’s probably not going to be on our own terms.
[i]In 2008, the most recent year for which complete global data is available, the U.S. approved $696.3 billion in defense budget authority (fiscal 2010 dollars). This figure includes funding for the Pentagon base budget, Department of Energy-administered nuclear weapons activities, and supplemental appropriations for Iraq and Afghanistan.
This number is eight times more than Russia, 15 times more than Japan, 47 times more than Israel, and nearly 73 times more than Iran.
In inflation-adjusted dollars, the total U.S. defense budget has grown from $432 billion in fiscal 2001 to $720 billion in fiscal 2011, a real increase of approximately 67 percent. The Congressional Budget Office has regularly warned that discretionary spending will come under increased pressure in the coming years. The legacy of the recent economic crisis will be a high and rising debt that must be addressed across the board.[/i]
http://www.armscontrolcenter.org/policy/securityspending/articles/US_vs_Global/
[quote]farmerson12 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
IMO America has been coddling Israel too long. We have no reason to kiss their ass.
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Well lucky for you, for an ally, Obama is treating them like shit. And believe me, U.S isnt coodling them anymore as much as you think. [/quote]
I could go on and on. we coddle them way too much
To the people that think obama care is a failure , i tend to agree , the cost of health care is sky rocketing and so will premiums . They did not have Knee replacements , hip replacements or that new gene therapy for prostate cancer (cost $100,000) 50 yers ago . IMO socialized medicine is the only solution. No matter wheteher they repeal it or it stands healthcare in America will fail with out major cost increases
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
If you’re a democrat, you’re probably still alright with Obama. I am. I don’t mind what he’s done at all. [/quote]
Odd then, how so many Democrats - especially those facing an election - don’t want t obe anywhere near Obama.
He’s lost the few conservatives that went for him (yes, there were some). He’s lost independents. He’s lost quite a few moderate Democrats, and he’s made quite a bit of the far-lefties very unhappy.
It ain’t just the flavor of politics either, even though Obama will pay for his tone-deafness on policies - it’s the competence and integrity. Between the job offers to Sestak and Romanoff to the second dumbest legal move in a half century (opening up a criminal investigation of BP while all parties are just trying to plug the damn hole? beyond dumb), no one with common sense should be “all right with Obama”.
I can deal with left-of-center politics, even if I don’t like the policies. I can’t deal with someone who isn’t up to being the Big Cheese. Left, right or middle, Obama is in over his head, and that’s just plain bad for our country.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]farmerson12 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
IMO America has been coddling Israel too long. We have no reason to kiss their ass.
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Well lucky for you, for an ally, Obama is treating them like shit. And believe me, U.S isnt coodling them anymore as much as you think. [/quote]
I could go on and on. we coddle them way too much[/quote]
Youre right. Alot of U.S. dollars does go to Israel. Most of where I was coming from with that(which is totally of topic) is how Obama’s diplomatic skills have been toward allies and other nations. But again, off topic.
I cant believe you guys are pushing isolationism…
[quote]farmerson12 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]farmerson12 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
IMO America has been coddling Israel too long. We have no reason to kiss their ass.
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Well lucky for you, for an ally, Obama is treating them like shit. And believe me, U.S isnt coodling them anymore as much as you think. [/quote]
I could go on and on. we coddle them way too much[/quote]
Youre right. Alot of U.S. dollars does go to Israel. Most of where I was coming from with that(which is totally of topic) is how Obama’s diplomatic skills have been toward allies and other nations. But again, off topic.[/quote]
with all that money thrown at Israel they could at least try to get along with their brothers , Like when Biden visited Israel
http://dailycaller.com/2010/03/10/bidens-west-bank-tour-clouded-by-settlement-plans/
IMO This was the Right wing nut jobs in Israel saying FUCK YOU AMERICA, We are getting nothing for our money we give them
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
"But there is a wide perception gap between the Political Class and Mainstream Americans when it comes to the health care bill. K
Eighty-three percent (83%) of the Political Class oppose repeal of the bill. Most in the Political Class believe the law will have no impact on the quality of care or on the federal budget deficit. A plurality (43%) of Political Class voters believe the new law will reduce the cost of health care. "
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What is the political class they are refering to I do not understand the whole sentance
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Cutting the military budget wouldn’t make us solvent. How many times does this have to be repeated? We can’t avoid entitlement cuts, folks! We won’t even be able to afford a military to cut![/quote]
Though, I do want to stress that it’s time for some major cuts in the military budget. True. It’s time we start drawing down and let the world fend for itself. We should be doing this sooner, rather than later. Wait to later, and it’s probably not going to be on our own terms.
[i]In 2008, the most recent year for which complete global data is available, the U.S. approved $696.3 billion in defense budget authority (fiscal 2010 dollars). This figure includes funding for the Pentagon base budget, Department of Energy-administered nuclear weapons activities, and supplemental appropriations for Iraq and Afghanistan.
This number is eight times more than Russia, 15 times more than Japan, 47 times more than Israel, and nearly 73 times more than Iran.
In inflation-adjusted dollars, the total U.S. defense budget has grown from $432 billion in fiscal 2001 to $720 billion in fiscal 2011, a real increase of approximately 67 percent. The Congressional Budget Office has regularly warned that discretionary spending will come under increased pressure in the coming years. The legacy of the recent economic crisis will be a high and rising debt that must be addressed across the board.[/i]
http://www.armscontrolcenter.org/policy/securityspending/articles/US_vs_Global/[/quote]
Going to have to agree with you. I’m all for a strong nat’l defense, but there’s so much waste that goes into the military budget that needs to be cut out, and in all honesty I don’t think we have a need for 700 billion dollar budget every year. Based on my interactions with my military friends (officers and higher enlisted alike), there’s too much waste, bureaucracy, and ineffective redundancy.
But I also favor cutting entitlement spending as well. Cut it all. Better to cut too drastically now with a shot at being able to financially afford to increase spending later when it’s needed than to piss away all our rapidly dwindling slack time bitching and moaning.
Fixing something that’s gone drastically wrong is never any fun. It’s always painful and it’s always a pain in the ass. But then when it’s fixed you get to go back and do all the things you wanted to before. Or at least many of them.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
"But there is a wide perception gap between the Political Class and Mainstream Americans when it comes to the health care bill. K
Eighty-three percent (83%) of the Political Class oppose repeal of the bill. Most in the Political Class believe the law will have no impact on the quality of care or on the federal budget deficit. A plurality (43%) of Political Class voters believe the new law will reduce the cost of health care. "
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What is the political class they are refering to I do not understand the whole sentance
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The inside the beltway population. Politicians, government employees and the main stream media. The leet libz though Rasmussen isn’t going to phrase it that way.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
<<< there’s so much waste that goes into the military budget that needs to be cut out, and in all honesty I don’t think we have a need for 700 billion dollar budget every year. >>>[/quote]
Nobody supports the military and military spending more than I do, but given the feds astonishing ability to waste money it’s hard for me to believe there isn’t a sizable chunk there that could be reduced in the right hands without a compromise to national security. There would be a whole list of provisos attached to this though if it were up to me.
anyone catch Beck yesterday? He was talking about Benjamin Franklin and how he felt about the poor. It was something along the lines of not helping them out, because they won’t try to help themselves otherwise. Gee, go figure.
[quote]StevenF wrote:
anyone catch Beck yesterday? He was talking about Benjamin Franklin and how he felt about the poor. It was something along the lines of not helping them out, because they won’t try to help themselves otherwise. Gee, go figure. [/quote]
I posted the whole show in the FOX News thread.
Feel like Obama is smarter farting than Harper is talking…you guys should feel lucky. BP jsut fucked Obama’s chance for awesomeness.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
We are approaching the point when the disaster that is the Obama, Reid, Pelosi and company presidency exceeds even my catastrophic expectations. I told my wife that about 2 hours ago when I saw that they were going to try to use the oil spill to push cap n trade. This is a relentless assault on foundational American principles.
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Never let a good crisis go to waste. (or something to that effect)
Who was it that said that?
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WH Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. [/quote]
It was Machiavelli
[quote]Valor wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Valor wrote:
Is this the fastest first to worst admin in the history of America?[/quote]
LOL. Well if you’re a republican, this shit went from worst to worst, and you’re just going to claim that he “fell off.”
If you’re a democrat, you’re probably still alright with Obama. I am. I don’t mind what he’s done at all.
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How can you not mind what he has done?
Bush and Obama have combined to destroy this nation.
You want to save America?
1: Bring the military home and rebuild it. The Army has now been at war LONGER than WWII. During WWII the entire nation was at war, not so now. The burden to fight has fallen on too few.
2: Secure the border. It does not have to be air tight, but close.
3: Cut federal spending 25%-50%. The only thing I would not cut is military.
4: Drop this absurd attempt at socialist hc and refocus on efforts that would actually reduce costs… i.e. Holding people accountable for their choices, encouraging fitness and weight control, tort reform, deny all but life saving treatment to illegals.[/quote]
So what you are saying is that only your special interests should have money spent on them. Got it.
[quote]dk44 wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]dk44 wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Valor wrote:
Is this the fastest first to worst admin in the history of America?[/quote]
LOL. Well if you’re a republican, this shit went from worst to worst, and you’re just going to claim that he “fell off.”
If you’re a democrat, you’re probably still alright with Obama. I am. I don’t mind what he’s done at all.
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Come on, he is Bush part II. You bitch about Bush in every freaking thred. How is Obama any different?[/quote]
He is black?[/quote]
a little darker, I wouldn’t call him black.[/quote]
One drop, MF.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
To the people that think obama care is a failure , i tend to agree , the cost of health care is sky rocketing and so will premiums . They did not have Knee replacements , hip replacements or that new gene therapy for prostate cancer (cost $100,000) 50 yers ago . IMO socialized medicine is the only solution. No matter wheteher they repeal it or it stands healthcare in America will fail with out major cost increases
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Red herring. Logic fail.