[quote]Sikkario wrote:
What does that have to do with Tibet or Darfur?
Tell it to Fallujah, Mexico?
Confused?[/quote]
Anyone else care to explain it to him?
P.S. Mexico? Now I’m confused.
China knocked over and occupied Tibet. The USA knocked over and occupied Mexico.
All this happened a while ago.a
What does this have to do with Post-Soviet History?
Ok, Darfur, and Taiwan.
Man PR the best place to be.
[quote]Sikkario wrote:
Man PR the best place to be.[/quote]
Maybe for a fucking Menudo concert. The water is dirty, the people are dirty, it’s just a dirty place. I have kinfolk that lived there. They couldn’t wait to leave. They took showers for three weeks trying to wash the PR off them.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Sikkario wrote:
Man PR the best place to be.
Maybe for a fucking Menudo concert. The water is dirty, the people are dirty, it’s just a dirty place. [/quote]
Yeah, but the rum’s not bad.
[i]"Zionism is the best advertised of all present Jewish activities and has exerted a greater influence upon world events than the average man realizes. In its more romantic aspects it makes an appeal to Christians as well as to Jews, because there are certain prophecies which are held to concern the return of the Jews to Jerusalem. When this return takes place, certain great events are scheduled to ensue.
Because of this admixture of the “religious” sentiment, it is sometimes difficult for a certain class of people to scrutinize modern Political Zionism. They have been too well propagandized into believing that political Zionism and the “return” promised by the prophets are the same thing. Having succumbed to the initial confusion of mistaking Judah for Israel they have entirely mistaken the ancient writings that relate to these two and have made the tribe of Judah (whence comes the name of Jew) the hub around which all history and humanity swing. Judah was the single tribe with which Israel could not live in peace over 2,000 years ago, and which has the beautiful gift of stirring up the same kind of dissension today. Yet no one ever thought of charging the Ten Tribes of Israel with “anti-Semitism.”
Zionism is challenging the attention of the world today because it is creating a situation out of which many believe the next war will come.
To adopt a phraseology familiar to students of prophecy, it is believed by many students of world affairs that Armageddon will be the direct result of what is now beginning to be manifested in Palestine.
With Zionism as a dream of pious Jews this investigation has nothing to do. With Zionism as a political fact, every government is now compelled to have something to do. It is a bigger question than any other world question, it lies back of all world problems, large or small, national or international, and is rapidly proceeding under cover of many other interests…
Zionism is of particular interest, not merely because of the quarrels which have arisen among the leaders over money - it is the war of “interest” against “capital” - but also because of the light it throws on the two great armies of Jews in the world, the way in which they use their power where they can, and the trouble that always embroils the nations which become Jewish tools…
Just at the present time, when the light which was shed by the fires of war has revealed so many matters formerly hidden in shadow, the awakening of world attention is called “anti-Semitism,” and the explanation is given that “after every war the Jew becomes the scapegoat” - a curious admission which would lead a less self-centered people to inquire, Why?"[/i]
– Henry Ford, 1921
[i]"No person with a sense of the dignity of mankind can condone the persecution of the Jewish race in Germany. But no person of honesty and vision can look on their pro-war policy here today without seeing the dangers involved in such a policy both for us and for them. Instead of agitating for war, the Jewish groups in this country should be opposing it in every possible way for they will be among the first to feel its consequences…
Their greatest danger to this country lies in their large ownership and influence in our motion pictures, our press, our radio and our government…
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/709d908e-a4d8-11db-b0ef-0000779e2340.html?nclick_check=1
A smear campaign was instituted against individuals who opposed intervention. The terms “fifth columnist,” “traitor,” “Nazi,” “anti-Semitic” were thrown ceaselessly at any one who dared to suggest that it was not to the best interests of the United States to enter the war. Men lost their jobs if they were frankly anti-war. Many others dared no longer speak…"[/i]
–Charles Lindbergh, September 11, 1941
http://www.counterpunch.org/webber06222007.html
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=25994
[i]"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the “Freedom Party” (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine…
Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future."[/i]
–Albert Einstein, December 4, 1948
[quote]Norman Podhoretz: The Case for Bombing Iran
“As an American and as a Jew, I pray with all my heart that he [Bush] will”[/quote]
“Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government.”
–George Washington, Farewell Address 1796
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/washing.htm
So yeah, back to the real world. Israel’s not going anywhere, and all the bitching and moaning about it’s origins isn’t going to change that. There’s not going to be a one state solution. And any peacekeeping force foolish enough to try and implement such a thing will wish they had to combat Iraqi insurgents instead. Both sides, Israelis and Palestinians, would be blowing up peacekeepers. The solution for nations outside of the conflict is, stay out it.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
So yeah, back to the real world. Israel’s not going anywhere, and all the bitching and moaning about it’s origins isn’t going to change that. There’s not going to be a one state solution. …[/quote]
I think JTF would rather see more of a “final solution.”
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Sloth wrote:
So yeah, back to the real world. Israel’s not going anywhere, and all the bitching and moaning about it’s origins isn’t going to change that. There’s not going to be a one state solution. …
I think JTF would rather see more of a “final solution.”[/quote]
Oh, I don’t doubt that at all.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
There’s not going to be a one state solution. [/quote]
It is the only viable alternative. But I do agree that it’ll never happen.
A poll rleased today suggests the majority of Israelis want to open talks with Hamas.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
There’s not going to be a one state solution.
It is the only viable alternative. But I do agree that it’ll never happen.
A poll rleased today suggests the majority of Israelis want to open talks with Hamas.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/02/27/mideast/[/quote]
It’s not viable. It would take a multi-national force which would end up becoming the target of insurgencies from both sides. Civilians would die at an alarming rates because of the nature of such conflict, and marches would be held for the withdraw of their nation’s troops.
You mean the group putting out the Nazi-like Jew cartoons? What would that accomplish?
Notice none of the poll questions and responses are given in the news release? The poll could have asked anything and we’d never know what the real story is:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/958473.html
Just to interject a thought.
I don’t see how cutting of communication does anything but exacerbate a situation and drive it closer or further in to violence.
Hamas is an angry group of Palestinians this is true.
But, excommunicating them or any group doesn’t do anything for you.
If their actions justify force, then respond w/ force. But to close off communications to me doesn’t seem like smart policy in any situation.
I don’t mean entertaining fanciful notions or unreasonable requests, but to completely ignore a group is not a good idea. It just alienates them ever further.
[quote]Sikkario wrote:
…
Hamas is an angry group of Palestinians this is true.
But, excommunicating them or any group doesn’t do anything for you.
…[/quote]
I don’t think they are Catholic.
Excommunicate- To exclude or expel from membership or participation in any group, association, etc.: an advertiser excommunicated from a newspaper.
and in spanish, excomunicar, the cognate, just means to reject communication from. Sorry, if that influence makes my speech not understandable or something.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Sloth wrote:
So yeah, back to the real world. Israel’s not going anywhere, and all the bitching and moaning about it’s origins isn’t going to change that. There’s not going to be a one state solution. …
I think JTF would rather see more of a “final solution.”[/quote]
You mean the one that lead to the establishment of the Jewish state of Israel? What a lucky tragedy.
Btw, you will not find one example on this site or ANYWHERE where I ever advocated violence, much less a “final solution”.
Ironically, I bet there isn’t a true Zionist alive today that would go back in time if he could and stop the holocaust.