Israel is a European State

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]harris447 wrote:
MisterAmazing wrote:
Wow, rainjack and harris, way to display your intelligence with those responses, considering they had no relevance to the original post.

I despise all this crap, and personally I think the jews and arabs are all equivocally wastes of human beings as far as blowing each other up.

Dannyrat makes a valid point though, Israel doesn’t belong there. They created their own issues by moving into the belly of the beast, as opposed to elsehwere; stubborn jackasses. I don’t in any way condone the terrorist shitheads who blow themselves up and kill innocents, but this is a conflict that seems like it may never end.

No, he doesn’t make a point.

He has, and will continue to, whine about how Israel shouldn’t be there.

It is. Deal with it.

And to equate military action with walking on a bus full of children with a bomb strapped to you is the height of asininity.

Your name…it’s ironic, huh?[/quote]

So a suicide bomb on a bus killing children is a lot different than a tank or missile killing children? Oh, I guess killing civilians with a billion dollar piece of equipment constitutes it as military action; moron. He isn’t whining about how Israel shouldn’t be there, he’s stating a fact that they were not originally there and ignored UN orders to not remian there. Grace us with more of your knowledge harris!

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[quote]dannyrat wrote:
A serious point ghengis- It’s sure that not all Americans are responsible for things dictated by their state or president!

I don’t want to blow any shit up on behalf of a grievance that intensified 60 years ago. So much time has passed.

I think from an objective position that Israel is in a minority, but also that it’s existence as a state is unassailable. That’s why i predict further conflict for as long as both sides only pursue agressive means of reconciling their claims to equity.

Is this in doubt?

There must be a foundation of sentient young people who can empathise regardless of the state. To threaten but not discuss, to attack but not accost, will not work.

I’m saying that a suitable government on each side, that is genuinely giving and receiving to find balance, is the surest path to less constant civilian deaths.

I’m not sure that negotiation will work. But we need a change.

This may not happen immediately of course. It may even be invisible for a while. But when young children can grow and be calm, i bet there’ll be far less deaths than now.

Too mnay people stand between the would-be combatants, open war is slaughter in these conditions.

Maybe you disagree which is fine.

Why, don’t we give love a chance (haha)

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Wow, a great post. Israeli’s are people. Palestinians are people. They are not all just muslims, fascists, zionist, terrorist. They are people dispossessed and each wanting what is best in life for them.

That said, unfortunately some of these people believe in a religion that represses free agency, aborts education, emphasizes sexism, and makes no allowance for anyone to believe otherwise.
There is little hope for a society that does not allow the freedom of agency or expression. I feel sorry for these people in their state of injustice. Does that mean we should let the Islamic fascist movement go unchecked because Palestinians have been wronged in the past. There is no hope for a free people in the middle east if the islamofascists have there way.

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Do you know what? I don’t live in the US. You do what you want. Any world based on the prevailing opinions here will fail. I can’t do anything to show you reason.

Prejudice has blinded you. I write a long, fact-laden post. (‘too long’, they say). I write a brief, insightful post (‘too hippy’, they say).

This is what i said. ‘Something caused the suicide bomber mentality.
I suggest that’s the first place we start, at the root.’

This is how it was interpreted, just 1 post along [quote] you should be able to come up with something a whole lot more convincing than ‘if only they didn’t hate each other so much maybe they would sing and dance in the flowers.’

Your solution is just positing that the problem doesn’t exist.

So the jews are a pain in the ass on a world scale. Is that what you’re saying?[/quote]

Some of the u=injuustices are in the past… But most have effects that exist today. Some things have got worse (whose is Jerusalem, for example? The one with the bigger gun)

I never said this. I won’t repeat what i said (you won’t acknowledge) but i see why i’m misunderstood. Neocons on here aren’t replying to me, but some imaginary hippy from their experience, or maybe a fictitious amalgam of all lefty insighful characters they’ve always been to stupid to repudiate.

Go to therapy. Or read a book. Either way, most of you have your head in a dark, smelly place right now. None of what i say is really radical. There’s causality. Identify the causes of despair and rage. Don’t demonise the agent of terrorism. What does that do towards remedying things? To pretend they aren’t human is a primary mistake that opens the door to innocent civiliand being massacred in response. Remove them. People will be happier.

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[quote]dannyrat wrote:
Do you know what? I don’t live in the US. You do what you want. Any world based on the prevailing opinions here will fail. I can’t do anything to show you reason.

Prejudice has blinded you. I write a long, fact-laden post. (‘too long’, they say). I write a brief, insightful post (‘too hippy’, they say).

This is what i said. ‘Something caused the suicide bomber mentality.
I suggest that’s the first place we start, at the root.’

This is how it was interpreted, just 1 post along you should be able to come up with something a whole lot more convincing than ‘if only they didn’t hate each other so much maybe they would sing and dance in the flowers.’

Your solution is just positing that the problem doesn’t exist.

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Your post was reducible to the following ‘To get rid of the problems in the middle east, we should get rid of the problems in the middle east.’
That’s a shitty argument.

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[quote]ExNole wrote:
dannyrat wrote:
Do you know what? I don’t live in the US. You do what you want. Any world based on the prevailing opinions here will fail. I can’t do anything to show you reason.

Prejudice has blinded you. I write a long, fact-laden post. (‘too long’, they say). I write a brief, insightful post (‘too hippy’, they say).

This is what i said. ‘Something caused the suicide bomber mentality.
I suggest that’s the first place we start, at the root.’

This is how it was interpreted, just 1 post along you should be able to come up with something a whole lot more convincing than ‘if only they didn’t hate each other so much maybe they would sing and dance in the flowers.’

Your solution is just positing that the problem doesn’t exist.

Your post was reducible to the following ‘To get rid of the problems in the middle east, we should get rid of the problems in the middle east.’
That’s a shitty argument. [/quote]

I prefer it to ‘more guns, less talk.’

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[quote]dannyrat wrote:
ExNole wrote:
dannyrat wrote:
Do you know what? I don’t live in the US. You do what you want. Any world based on the prevailing opinions here will fail. I can’t do anything to show you reason.

Prejudice has blinded you. I write a long, fact-laden post. (‘too long’, they say). I write a brief, insightful post (‘too hippy’, they say).

This is what i said. ‘Something caused the suicide bomber mentality.
I suggest that’s the first place we start, at the root.’

This is how it was interpreted, just 1 post along you should be able to come up with something a whole lot more convincing than ‘if only they didn’t hate each other so much maybe they would sing and dance in the flowers.’

Your solution is just positing that the problem doesn’t exist.

Your post was reducible to the following ‘To get rid of the problems in the middle east, we should get rid of the problems in the middle east.’
That’s a shitty argument.

I prefer it to ‘more guns, less talk.’
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You don’t get it.

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[quote]ExNole wrote:
You don’t get it.[/quote]

Bang!