I would say it would be very common for many people to not know they are pregnant by then.
So if she does it on day 43 she’s cool but day 44 she’s a murderer?
Where would you draw the line between killing/not killing? At what point is it acceptable to you?
The relationship between the man and the woman (these shall be one flesh, also the marriage is a picture of our relationship with Christ) is paramount. Clearly, if the married woman’s life is danger, her life is more important than the baby’s life. Christ would never ask us to depart from His presence any more than He would demand the wife depart from her husband.
Would they know if they were raped by then?
If you’re asking me it is murder or killing once the first beat of the heart of the baby starts.
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I don’t know where the Bible suggests anything about contraception.
How can sexual education be bad if it is based solely on accepted science?
Well put yourself in those shoes. Raped 13 year old likely horrified possibly not even reporting hoping she has her cycle at some point. She’s got according to google around 40 some days. So if she goes in day 39 for an abortion she’s good but if she goes in day 41 and finds out it has a heartbeat she isn’t? That’s fine if it’s your beliefs, but that seems like a pretty arbitrary line to draw. Especially for a 13 year old.
Hey it’s red states that are having the issue. And I don’t know of many (do you) non religious people who are opposed to contraceptive use. Though we have had religious people on here who are opposed to contraceptive use.
Aren’t Catholics? That’s like 20% of the US.
Since when has the Bible ever stopped Christians from doing things? I mean I’ve read the Bible cover to cover a few times in my life. And I don’t ever see half the stuff they are opposed to.
Where is abortion currently 100% banned when the life of the mother is at risk?
Read Romans chapter 7
I don’t know all the state abortion laws and they are changing often. Who decides when the mothers life is at risk and what does that mean?
Women are at risk during pregnancy. It’s not high but women die from pregnancy each year. We also live in a country where people will not call ambulances or go to the doctor because of the cost.
Why are you still asking me about Catholics?
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I’ve never once said anything to you about Catholics you have to be confusing me with someone else.
I must have copied the wrong quote
Just did. I missed the part about a heartbeat, rape, and abortion in it. If you could kindly point out where it explicitly states what to do in these scenarios it would be helpful.
Romans 7 is concerning the 13 year old girl that was raped, that you brought up.
I cannot “hand hold” you through all the scripture with quotes and explanations on this tiny phone. I am supplying a brief explanation, albeit not comprehensive.
It’s zero.
I’d imagine a doctor.
Most of the time, not all the time but most of the time, when a woman’s life is truly in danger from a pregnancy its toward the end. The obvious exception is one you mention, ectopic is often noticed early on. The majority of late term complications that threaten a woman’s life lead to C section (or should). Late term abortion take too long to perform if a woman is at risk.
I’ll copy and paste what I googled and you let me know what part the heartbeat is at and the timing of an abortion.
I do realize it’s possible we aren’t looking at the same thing. That’s one of the (many) problems of basing things off texts that few people agree on the meaning or even which book to use.
Romans 7
King James Version
7 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Im pro vaccine yet vehemently anti mandate for reference.
This is an issue I worry about. Are states that ban the procedure going to go as far as to deny women access to abortifacients when they have a dead or dying foetus inside of them? The outcome here is a dead baby and a dead mother if this is the case… and its not all that uncommon either.
I don’t think this will eventuate as going by data the rate of abortion unfortunately won’t decrease all that much.
Why are you being so aggro?
Unfortunately this is what a blanket ban on the procedure entails. Many states are enacting a blanket ban, including cases of rape or incest.