Precise word meaning is extremely important to me.
So you’re back to we should accept everything that we can’t disprove then. I’ll get to work on my 20 pound fat loss cookies then. It’s not irrational to say chocolate chip fat burning fairies aren’t real.
I never said you should accept anything
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@RT_Nomad @H_factor i think we’ve found the only argument where people have more entrenched views than abortion rights.
A question that i can’t help wondering though, is why are views on abortion so linked to religious beliefs? It seems pretty clear that religious beliefs are a major factor, but why?
I am not making that claim. I don’t know how you came to that conclusion based on what I said.
Accidentally deleted my post. I think it said something about expanding your logic to everything else.
Ok…you said neither side can be disproven. My assumption was based off that. I think it seems like your backtracking one some of your earlier stuff but whatever.
A religious person will tend to believe that there’s something more to being “alive” than existing as a human. A “soul,” or “spirit,” or some equivalent.
Under that framework, the idea that an unborn child is likewise “alive,” and this shouldn’t be aborted, is easier to defend.
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I’m not sure. I mean what’s the polling on American Jewish people for example? I would assume overwhelmingly pro choice but I would have to look it up. I think religion is so broad it can be difficult to hammer home where people are coming from. I also think a lot of people think abortion is murdering babies full stop. Which I don’t think is viewing the issue with the nuance it needs.
My views on abortion are very simple and Bible based: “For the life of the flesh is in the blood,” Lev 17:21.
Science has proven that the fetus’ blood is not the same blood as the mother. Once that baby’s heart beats the first drop of blood through its body, that life came from God, the Creator.
Henceforth the purposed ending of that life from God is a sin.
(I have answers for all the exceptions any of you can raise)
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I hadn’t heard that before, interesting. Is that a commonly held view?
I have no idea.
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As an atheist, i’m also not a big fan of killing, while at the same time being cautiously pro-choice.
What i’m wondering is why religion is a big factor (which it is), when non-religious people tend to be equally against killing?
@creative_name might be on to something.
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I would prefer as few abortions as possible while maintaining safe places for women to go to who do choose that so they don’t go to someplace unsafe. To me the very best way to reduce abortions is not to outlaw them completely but to push sex ed hard, contraceptives, everything we can to avoid unwanted pregnancies. Why some religious people oppose that is beyond me. It’s fighting against the very best things we have to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
At the risk of getting killed myself over it religion and lower IQ’s are correlated. I really don’t want to open that can of worms as tons of believers are more intelligent than me but I am presenting it as a factor. I also think those who view the world more black and white (which I think those who are very religious tend to do more) are less likely to appreciate the nuances of the discussion. I’m in a very conservative area and some of my Facebook people said I don’t know why people are so mad over babies living. Which to me is pretty dismissive of the whole concept of all the gray areas that exist.
I think a lot of people don’t think deeply about it. I would say the overwhelming majority of Americans support abortion in some cases like rape, incest, the health of the mother, etc. but it’s always viewed (and I’ll lump myself in here as well) as pro choice or pro life and very rarely what that explicitly means.
Therefore, a zygote would not be a human being. And that contradicts Catholic belief which claims life begins at conception.
Makes sense to whom? Turtles all the way down made sense to someone at the time but it didn’t make it rational.
Nope, not touching that one with a barge pole
That’s what i’m trying to do. I suspect i probably have similar views to yourself, but i’m not convinced i’ve thought about it any more deeply or with any better information than anyone else.
Let’s hear them. If my wife (who is pregnant) is going to die if she has the baby and it is very unlikely the baby will live is abortion ok? What if the baby is already dead? What if a 13 year old is raped?
And are you opposed to sexual education and contraceptives?
And why do we have so many children in foster care in the first place? It’s not like we don’t have more than enough people who believe those kids have souls and believe they were given blood by the creator.
I don’t care what Catholics believe. My beliefs are based what is revealed to me through the Bible
Why can’t she get the procedure complete before the baby’s heart beats?