It’s a human cell but legally not a person. As far as being a human being, that’s up for debate.
Talking about legality in this case is circular reasoning. I’ve never heard a rational argument for a fetus/zygote not being either human or a being. Do you think human or being is debatable and on what grounds?
You can read?
You don’t get the irony of writing that question, huh?
I assumed he just did voice-to-text and used a text reader 24/7. This is the first indication I have of him being intelligent enough to read.
Seriously though, he’s just a shitposter who finds reasons to argue to distract himself from a miserable existence. I have no problem having a real conversation with differing opinions… I actually seek them out quite frequently. @zecarlo has shown repeated inability to formulate a good argument though, so his persistence in these threads does nothing but derail and downgrade the quality of conversation. I’m not for tech censorship, but having a retardation filter would be a nice touch.
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That’s not really true. His arguments are sometimes pretty good, if perfection is seen as an option. He doesn’t propose or support policy positions himself, but he certainly lets us all know that anything we support isn’t perfect(edit: because it’s obvious we are under the impression it is). Think shipping things across the ocean on huge boats is a good idea? Try using a Zecarlo Instantaneous Matter Shipper.
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I think you miss the point of this forum.
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Obviously it’s debatable, hence the whole abortion argument.
Interesting, thought I would share my situation with child support in New York - @BrickHead may find it interesting as well, but doubt (and hope) he will never find himself in that situation
In NY it is calculated on 25% of total income and the non custodial parent pays whatever percentage of that number their income is. Say mom makes $30K, dad makes $70K, mom has custody. Total income is $100k, child support is then 70% of 25%, or 70% of $25k, or $17.5k, which is roughly 24%.
If incomes are equal, it works out to 25%.
Say wife makes more and is custodial parent, it works out to less for dad.
However, NY requires child support until the dependents are 21. Other states, I hear, require support until the kids are 18.
FWIW, I moved out in 2017 and we have never legally separated. I have chosen to pay in excess of what the state would require in order to minimize the upheaval in my children’s lives.
In addition to my support, my family contributes $30K per year towards my daughter’s college tuition, and will do the same for my son when he matriculates in two years.
We do this because we also believe it takes a village, we love my kids, we can, and it is the right thing to do.
Your points about the inequity are well made. And, I am also off topic. My apologies.
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I think the point of the deathbed confession was that she changed her mind. There are many zealots reveling in their wokeness that regret their youthful exuberance later in life.
My mother is 82 years old and still a bad ass. She claims that experience and wisdom will always win over youth and excitement. To prove her point she tells the following story.
An old bull was standing on a hill when a young bull runs up …
She has a valid point.
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Theres no such right.
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This people are truly sick.
I thought it was not a human.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CdQ6XuUPZ1A/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
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When my wife and I got pregnant with our first we did not have great insurance and it did not cover the triple test. This test, apparently, checks for abnormalities. We could pay extra for it, but as my wife and I were teachers, wanted kids badly, and would not consider abortion, we opted to not pay extra for it.
My wife is Catholic, I should mention that.
When we were pregnant with my second child, we had better insurance and opted to have the test performed. We had a long discussion about it and decided that regardless of the results, we would have a child but wanted to be prepared if that child came with disabilities so we could be prepared.
I was forty with my first child, forty three for my second, so the concerns were real.
I am not anti abortion. I struggle with when life begins. With rape, life of the mother, and responsibilities and rights of fathers.
I just knew that I was not going to abort a child that was mine. And, I am, for the most part, a pig.
Luckily, I was blessed with two beautiful children. But there was never a choice for me. I am not Catholic, not religious (spiritual AF), not dogmatic, etcetera. It was just never a choice. I was going to have my kids (planned) and love the shit out of them.
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The deathbed confession was that she was paid by pro-lifers to be pro-life. They paid her and told her what to say. I didn’t watch the documentary but that’s apparently what happened. And yes this has no relevance to this thread. I only bought this up to see how Pat felt that she apparently lied about being pro-life.
The first time my wife was pregnant i remember being shocked at how many tests they wanted to do. Other than the ultra sound we didnt have a single test done for the baby. It never even occurred to us to have those test because the results ultimately wouldnt have changed anything. But boy did the doctors try to push them on you. “But what if the baby has ___? Dont you want to know?”
A close friend of mine found out his 2nd child was going to be born with microcephaly and extremely disabled. The doctors pushed him and his wife toward abortion. Going so far as to tell them to fly to colorado to have a late term abortion (this was at 8 months). They had the baby and it was adopted shortly after. The child had alot of medical issues and has been in and out of the hospital over the years. But, its in a loving environment and able to live the best possible life given the situation. (Tried to be vague on purpose for the sake of my friend) Im proud of them. Even though they felt they couldnt raise a child with extreme needs and disability, and the choice they made was heartbreaking, they still chose light over darkness.
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How did they choose light?
They threw personal responsibility out the door by giving up the child, and chose a lifetime of pain and suffering for it.
Seems like they chose convenience for themselves and suffering for another.
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I totally understand feeling that way. Ive thought about it a ton and im sure they did too. Was it convenient to give up the child? Sure. Would it have been more convienient to abort? Yes. What they did was preserve the life of an innocent child despite their own shortcomings.
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We’ll have to agree to disagree.
It’s easy for you to say that when you aren’t that child.
They chose suffering for that innocent child instead of peace, and didn’t have the courage to inconvenience themselves a fraction of what that child had to go through.
Well, this is a challenging emotional question, and I will play Devil’s Advocate.
One of my grandparent’s close friends had a Downs’ syndrome child in the late forties. She was not expected to live for more than ten years. She lived to be fifty. I believe because they loved her so much, She was bedridden most of her life and the parents certainly would have had a better life if they were able to abort her.
Well then she is a whore for the money. It is not the first time, and it won’t be the last time. It is the nature of our society.
This is problematic for me. I understand giving the child up, but to @BrickHead 's point, you procreate, you are responsible.
I do understand that they may have been young, may not have had the health care to take care of that child - but it is yours.
No judgement, I am glad it worked out.
I will tell you that my child support renders me borderline broke. I pay over $30K per year for my kids, and my family kicks in another $30K for tuition.
They are my kids. If I argued with my wife, my kids would suffer. That doesn’t make it right, but that is what it is.
I would do anything for my kids, and she knows it, so she has me over a barrel. I would pay more if I needed to. I would live in a fucking tent if I had to. I will do anything for my kids.
Any one that has caught one, meaning being at the birth, or holding that kid the day they were born, understands what I mean. I had a girl first, then a boy, but it doesn’t matter. There is nothing like looking your kid in the eye the day they are born.
At least I think they are mine - they look a lot like the mail man.
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Doesn’t sound like they just left it at a random door or adoption agency.