Support Supplements.
Multi Vitamin / Animal PAK.
Liver Support / DS LIV-52.
Liver Support / CEL Cycle Assist
Fish Oil Caps / Biotest Flameout
Whey Protein / ON Gold Standard
Weight Gainer / Cytosport Cytogainer
[quote]BMC85 wrote:
Good god almighty what a PCT. Aromasin, clomid, & nolvadex plus you want to suggest taking HCG at the end of the cycle with all of these compounds.
You dont have the foggiest idea of what any of these compounds are do you?
You have some reading to do.
Thank for those useless comments…very helpful indeed.
In answer to your question,yes i do have the foggiest idea of what these compounds are and what exactly they do.
It is not uncommon to run both of those SERMS together during PCT and it is also common practice to mega dose Hcg on the last week of cycle and 2 weeks post cycle before PCT.
Aromasin as a type 1 AI is favoured among many as a good choice to run both on cycle and through out PCT .
I wouldn’t say those were useless comments. You should really use hCG during a cycle, and use Nolva for the PCT. Taking liver support supplements when you’re only running Dbol for four weeks seems unecessary.
A general comment I would make is that if your stats which you posted before were accurate (I think you said 190lbs, 15% BF, 6’1"), then you probably need to look at your diet and training before using AAS.
[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
I wouldn’t say those were useless comments. You should really use hCG during a cycle, and use Nolva for the PCT. Taking liver support supplements when you’re only running Dbol for four weeks seems unecessary.
A general comment I would make is that if your stats which you posted before were accurate (I think you said 190lbs, 15% BF, 6’1"), then you probably need to look at your diet and training before using AAS.[/quote]
Thanks for the input Rational,
i think the previous poster misread my comments or cycle details…my cycle does not suggest that i was planning on doing anything other than running hCG while “on” and nolva during PCT.
I never suggested running hCG ,Nolva,CLOMID at the same time as it would be counter productive and ridiculous. I would always take a liver support while running any orals for any period of time - its dirt cheap and also my previous blood results taken post cycle had shown high levels of liver toxicity from dbol at 30mg ED FOR 4 WEEKS.
i think your comments on my b.f. etc are fair enough and appreciated.
I suspected you had a reason for taking those supplements. Coffee is useful as liver support (I think Dave mentioned this in a thread). If you’ve only done an oral cycle before this, I’d say you should consider just using Test for this one.
Yeah i think the Caffeine in coffee has been shown to POSSIBLY be of benifit to liver health but it would be a poor substitute for LIV-52 or CYCLE ASSIST also being an appetite suppressant it would not be ideal while on a bulk
This is not my first run with injectables but thanks for feed back.
First off, just so we are clear… you edited your post deleting the part about you wanting to add HCG to your PCT. You can blab on and on about how you feel Nolva, clomid, aromasin, & HCG is a normal PCT, but youre going to make yourself look like an idiot. And please read…
Quoting your posts…
“my cycle does not suggest that i was planning on doing anything other than running hCG while “on” and nolva during PCT.I never suggested running hCG ,Nolva,CLOMID at the same time as it would be counter productive and ridiculous.” — this is actually EXACT:Y what you said.
“Weeks :15 to 18 Nolvadex 20mg ED.
Weeks : 15 to 18 Clomid 50mg ED.
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD”
Deleting the part about HCG doesnt make you look any smarter. trust me. Just toss the gear down the toilet please and do us a favor so we dont have to waste any more time on you.
Why would i want to add hCG to my PCT since it is suppressive to hpta recovery itself ?
If you were’nt so quick to jump in shooting your mouth off you would have read that the original post questioned whether or not to run hCG at the end of cycle , NOT during PCT…
Now run along and see if you can find a thread by some 18 year old kid thats asking about a dbol only cycle or some shit like that…and then you can FLAMEEEEE that MoFo !
Have fun
Say what you want. I read the post and it questioned when to use hcg, but I’m not going to argue with you. Whatever helps you sleep at night. Regardless… Nolvadex, clomid and aromasin is just as idiotic with or without the hcg.
I try to help anyone that suggests doing stupid things, for example your proposed PCT. If you dont like the advice, I hear bodybuilding.com gives great advice on their forum. go there.
Ah please don’t banish me to bodybuilding.com , i did’nt do anything to deserve that ha ha…
Anywho , as the name of the thread suggests - i was just looking for some constructive feedback… its does NOT say feel free to chime in and call me an idiot because i have a question about an alternate method of hCG usage .
and then finish with a statement ( in your best attempt at a Darth Vader voice ) by saying " you have reading to do " .
If you think Nolva,Clomid and an AI are not the way to go for my PCT…fair enough ,ye could have just said so without the condesending crap.
And i would have said…Thank you for the feedback BMC
I dont spoon feed anything. If you dont even know what youre taking, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO PCT, i suggest you go do some reading before you decide to use it. PCT is just as important as what youre using while on cycle and you seemingly have 0 knowledge in the subject. Simple as that. Youre putting compounds in your body more complex than anything you will ever use and you need to be using them as safely as possible.
This is when PCT comes into play and youre clueless. You need to be knowledgeable and not spoon fed. Even if you dont want to be educated about what youre taking, the PCT protocol is on THOUSANDS (literally) of threads. It would take me less than a minute to figure out what should be used and when.
I didnt have a darth vader voice until you tried to tell me you know what youre talking about and then you lied about what your original post entailed in an attempt to make me look ridiculous in replying in that way. If youre offended because someone told you to go read, you need to get off your high horse and listen.
Just FYI 9 times out of 10 I suggest the person to read more. Because 9 times out of 10, their answer can be found in a few short minutes.
