Is this a Fair Criticism?

I agree with Hitchens that “October Surprise” (or “November”, or whenever) is deeply irresponsible. On another thread, I have mentioned that I think some of the recent critique of U.S. foreign policy by the Kerry camp crosses the line of decorum, particularly w/r/t the critiques of Allawi.

That said, I’m not sure this critique doesn’t go too far in saying Democrats at the highest levels are actually rooting for bad things to happen in Iraq – even though I see how one might make that conclusion. Even though Kerry could defuse this by affirmatively disavowing the “October Surprise” stuff and telling Terry McCauliff to put a sock in it, I’m not sure it’s fair criticism. Still, on the other hand, this is the fruit of the DNC embracing Michael Moore and his ilk (he was in the box with former President Carter and the Dem National Convention for chrissakes).

What do you think?

Flirting With Disaster

The vile spectacle of Democrats rooting for bad news in Iraq and Afghanistan.
By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Monday, Sept. 27, 2004, at 11:35 AM PT

There it was at the tail end of Brian Faler’s “Politics” roundup column in last Saturday’s Washington Post. It was headed, simply, “Quotable”:

"I wouldn't be surprised if he appeared in the next month." Teresa Heinz Kerry to the Phoenix Business Journal, referring to a possible capture of Osama bin Laden before Election Day.

As well as being “quotable” (and I wish it had been more widely reported, and I hope that someone will ask the Kerry campaign or the nominee himself to disown it), this is also many other words ending in “-able.” Deplorable, detestable, unforgivable. ?

The plain implication is that the Bush administration is stashing Bin Laden somewhere, or somehow keeping his arrest in reserve, for an “October surprise.” This innuendo would appear, on the face of it, to go a little further than “impugning the patriotism” of the president. It argues, after all, for something like collusion on his part with a man who has murdered thousands of Americans as well as hundreds of Muslim civilians in other countries.

I am not one of those who likes to tease Mrs. Kerry for her “loose cannon” style. This is only the second time I have ever mentioned her in print. But I happen to know that this is not an instance of loose lips. She has heard that very remark being made by senior Democrats, and?which is worse?she has not heard anyone in her circle respond to it by saying, “Don’t be so bloody stupid.” I first heard this “October surprise” theory mentioned seriously, by a prominent foreign-policy Democrat, at an open dinner table in Washington about six months ago. Since then, I’ve heard it said seriously or semiseriously, by responsible and liberal people who ought to know better, all over the place. It got even worse when the Democratic establishment decided on an arm’s-length or closer relationship with Michael Moore and his supposedly vote-getting piece of mendacity and paranoia, Fahrenheit 9/11. (The DNC’s boss, Terence McAuliffe, asked outside the Uptown cinema on Connecticut Avenue whether he honestly believed that the administration had invaded Afghanistan for the sake of an oil or perhaps gas pipeline, breezily responded, “I do now.”)

What will it take to convince these people that this is not a year, or a time, to be dicking around? Americans are patrolling a front line in Afghanistan, where it would be impossible with 10 times the troop strength to protect all potential voters on Oct. 9 from Taliban/al-Qaida murder and sabotage. We are invited to believe that these hard-pressed soldiers of ours take time off to keep Osama Bin Laden in a secret cave, ready to uncork him when they get a call from Karl Rove? For shame.

Ever since The New Yorker published a near-obituary piece for the Kerry campaign, in the form of an autopsy for the Robert Shrum style, there has been a salad of articles prematurely analyzing “what went wrong.” This must be nasty for Democratic activists to read, and I say “nasty” because I hear the way they respond to it. A few pin a vague hope on the so-called “debates”?which are actually joint press conferences allowing no direct exchange between the candidates?but most are much more cynical. Some really bad news from Iraq, or perhaps Afghanistan, and/or a sudden collapse or crisis in the stock market, and Kerry might yet “turn things around.” You have heard it, all right, and perhaps even said it. But you may not have appreciated how depraved are its implications. If you calculate that only a disaster of some kind can save your candidate, then you are in danger of harboring a subliminal need for bad news. And it will show. What else explains the amazingly crude and philistine remarks of that campaign genius Joe Lockhart, commenting on the visit of the new Iraqi prime minister and calling him a “puppet”? Here is the only regional leader who is even trying to hold an election, and he is greeted with an ungenerous sneer.

The unfortunately necessary corollary of this?that bad news for the American cause in wartime would be good for Kerry?is that good news would be bad for him. Thus, in Mrs. Kerry’s brainless and witless offhand yet pregnant remark, we hear the sick thud of the other shoe dropping. How can the Democrats possibly have gotten themselves into a position where they even suspect that a victory for the Zarqawi or Bin Laden forces would in some way be welcome to them? Or that the capture or killing of Bin Laden would not be something to celebrate with a whole heart?

I think that this detail is very important because the Kerry camp often strives to give the impression that its difference with the president is one of degree but not of kind. Of course we all welcome the end of Taliban rule and even the departure of Saddam Hussein, but we can’t remain silent about the way policy has been messed up and compromised and even lied about. I know what it’s like to feel that way because it is the way I actually do feel. But I also know the difference when I see it, and I have known some of the liberal world quite well and for a long time, and there are quite obviously people close to the leadership of today’s Democratic Party who do not at all hope that the battle goes well in Afghanistan and Iraq.

I have written before in this space that I think Bin Laden is probably dead, and I certainly think that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is a far more ruthless and dangerous jihadist, who is trying to take a much more important country into the orbit of medieval fanaticism and misery. One might argue about that: I could even maintain that it’s important to oppose and defeat both gentlemen and their supporters. But unless he conclusively repudiates the obvious defeatists in his own party (and maybe even his own family), we shall be able to say that John Kerry’s campaign is a distraction from the fight against al-Qaida.

Christopher Hitchens is a columnist for Vanity Fair. His new collection of essays, Love, Poverty and War, is forthcoming in October.

I think it is a defining characteristic of the left, partiucularly the elitist left, too root for the oposition.

Continually the left has blamed us for the attacks by the terrorists. That we somehow brought 9/11 upon ourselves. That’s rubbish. The terrorists need to take responsibility for what they did…too a vastly superior enemy, and pay the price.

Hienz Kerry is perhaps a magnified example of the elitist left and make no mistake the attitude she exhibits is ingrained throughout the Kerry campaign. I think she would make Hillary look like a pussycat. She is responsible for the drop in female support among Kerry supporters, in my opinion.

There are two sides in any conflict. To ignore this fact and imagine you are hated ONLY because you exist is too stupid for words.

This doesn’t excuse anything, but it does help point out how to go about trying to defuse something. Labelling the left as apologetic when they are instead remarking on a simple truth is also too stupid for words.

That being said, yes there are those that have been brainwashed into hating us for no real reason. Also, yes, there are apologists out there who go way too far and excuse instead of explain.

Anyway, to go back to the original post, the criticism is a bit much. To imagine that any presiding administration would be above playing politics is being a bit naive. This is just another twist on the “left is anti-american” refrain.

It’s tired. Basically, every American loves America… lets stop throwing this stone around all the time. Different people have different paths but almost all want what is best for the country.

I don’t know that the elitist left wishes for bad things to the U.S., but I do believe that there are some extreme leftist groups out there take take pleasure in the disasters that have befallen our country in the past.

The problem I have is that Kerry feels that he has to pander to these fringe groups to keep them happy. This makes him guilty by association, so to speak - as it is also a black eye for all of those on the left.

I have to agree with Heinz-Kerry on this one. This administration has reached a level of corruption and ineptitude that makes Clinton look like he should be canonized! I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to see Osama suddenly be caught right before the election because they’ve done things as morally reprehensible already. Such as:

1)Threatening those who leave the administration so they refuse to speak out against the president, and when they do they put enough pressure on them to make them recant their statements.

2)When people do actually break silence despite the threats like Wilson did, they leak his wife’s status as a CIA operative and put her life and many others in jeopardy. The internal white house investigation is still ongoing and I think nobody actually expects anything to come out of it.

3)While making all these grand campaign promises and statements against nation-building in 2000, in January of 2001 the president was already discussing war with Iraq and setting up a post-saddam government. LONG before 9/11!

4)Lying about the WMDs to make their case for Iraq. When Joe Wilson went public saying that the intel was faulty BEFORE we went to war, they threatened him and revealed his wife’s CIA status to get him to shut up.

5)Conducting the war in a very Clinton-esque manner, namely that the president approves operations depending on what the political climate at home is. Bush has no problem sacrificing the lives of our soldiers for his own political gain, yet somehow the left gets stamped as anti-american. I love slam-dunking liberals with the best of them, but this white house has become far worse and for much more sinister reasons.

I only list these because they are easily verifiable. I’m hesitant to list the Michael Moore, et al positions because I can’t substantiate them well enough, and the things we can substantiate make a fine case on their own. There are also things like the policies that led to the prison scandal in Iraq, the secrecy at Guantanamo, the treatment of the troops in Iraq(notice how many that are being recalled are going AWOL), and the policy that threatens any soldier who speaks against the war with court martial.

The sad fact is that once Karen Hughes left in early 2002, the white house hasn’t been the same since. They haven’t put out one really good piece of policy since, and all their moves are now more politically motivated and calculated than Bill “Take-a-poll” Clinton.

[quote]Operaman wrote:
I have to agree with Heinz-Kerry on this one. This administration has reached a level of corruption and ineptitude that makes Clinton look like he should be canonized! I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to see Osama suddenly be caught right before the election because they’ve done things as morally reprehensible already. Such as:

1)Threatening those who leave the administration so they refuse to speak out against the president, and when they do they put enough pressure on them to make them recant their statements.

2)When people do actually break silence despite the threats like Wilson did, they leak his wife’s status as a CIA operative and put her life and many others in jeopardy. The internal white house investigation is still ongoing and I think nobody actually expects anything to come out of it.

3)While making all these grand campaign promises and statements against nation-building in 2000, in January of 2001 the president was already discussing war with Iraq and setting up a post-saddam government. LONG before 9/11!

4)Lying about the WMDs to make their case for Iraq. When Joe Wilson went public saying that the intel was faulty BEFORE we went to war, they threatened him and revealed his wife’s CIA status to get him to shut up.

5)Conducting the war in a very Clinton-esque manner, namely that the president approves operations depending on what the political climate at home is. Bush has no problem sacrificing the lives of our soldiers for his own political gain, yet somehow the left gets stamped as anti-american. I love slam-dunking liberals with the best of them, but this white house has become far worse and for much more sinister reasons.

I only list these because they are easily verifiable. I’m hesitant to list the Michael Moore, et al positions because I can’t substantiate them well enough, and the things we can substantiate make a fine case on their own. There are also things like the policies that led to the prison scandal in Iraq, the secrecy at Guantanamo, the treatment of the troops in Iraq(notice how many that are being recalled are going AWOL), and the policy that threatens any soldier who speaks against the war with court martial.

The sad fact is that once Karen Hughes left in early 2002, the white house hasn’t been the same since. They haven’t put out one really good piece of policy since, and all their moves are now more politically motivated and calculated than Bill “Take-a-poll” Clinton. [/quote]

Opera –

Actually, all of those things you listed are pretty hotly disputed – some even on threads on this very forum. We can do it again if you’d like.

I think the “October Surprise” lines are highly irresponsible.

The problem for me is that, as rainjack said, I don’t know that it’s fair to criticize Kerry based on what the left-wing loonies at the Democratic Underground are saying. Some of them really do hope we fail, and cheer the “successes” of the terrorists.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Some of them really do hope we fail, and cheer the “successes” of the terrorists.[/quote]

I don’t think any true American is hoping that terrorists succeed at anything. I think that anyone who labels an entire group of people any way or the other is blind and biased themselves. “The Left” hates how this war has been instigated and fought. That doesn’t mean they hope America gets hit with another attack. I guess it helps some of you feel higher and holier than others to assume that your affiliation is patriotic and that anyone who disagrees with you is a traitor. Sad Really.

Given that there isn’t really a smoking gun, many of these things will never be settled fully; however, there comes a point when the scent of corruption gets strong enough that even without absolute proof one must wonder what’s causing that smell. There’s no need for us to rehash the debates over these things, I just happen to believe in my gut that there’s probably more truth than fiction to these claims. Not exactly scientific, but I can no sooner prove any of them than anyone can disprove them. I do wonder how much of the silence and secrecy surrounding this whitehouse is for national security and how much is for political safety. In any case, I still would not put it past Karl Rove to pull something big right before the election.

As to the left rooting for failure in the war, I sure hope that’s not how they feel and I’m sure no intelligent person would come down that way, except maybe the super-liberal wackjobs who were protesting the War on Terror right after 9/11 but before Oct 21st.

Even so, I think there is a growing frustration among those opposed to the war that so much has been going wrong yet nothing seems to be sticking to Bush. The 1000 soldiers killed mark did cost him slightly, but the truth is Bush is saved by the advances in technology that save soldiers lives who would otherwise have been killed in past wars. If our technology were where it was during Vietnam, our death toll would probably be much higher. I’m by no means saying that would be a good thing, but merely that the numbers would more accurately reflect the situation.

Saying that bush is being protected by technology is not even comprehensible.

Yes and if all of a sudden we were back in the dark ages and bush wanted to take over Iraq, he would not have had the same technology. What is your point?

How some of you can analyze why bush is doing good, all while avoiding the fact that … He is doing a decent job, is beyond me. Get over it already.

Vegita ~ Prince of all Sayajins

P.S. The Yankees aren’t really the best team in baseball history, well that is if they didn’t have all the best players they wouldn’t be.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
Some of them really do hope we fail, and cheer the “successes” of the terrorists.

I don’t think any true American is hoping that terrorists succeed at anything. I think that anyone who labels an entire group of people any way or the other is blind and biased themselves. “The Left” hates how this war has been instigated and fought. That doesn’t mean they hope America gets hit with another attack. I guess it helps some of you feel higher and holier than others to assume that your affiliation is patriotic and that anyone who disagrees with you is a traitor. Sad Really.[/quote]

Professor:

I agree with you about labeling a group of people “traitors” because they disagree. And I agree that no true American would think that way.

However, I’ve seen some comments in the comment section at the Democratic Underground to the effect that we need to see American blood so that people will understand the depths of evil that Bush represents. That is a paraphrase, but it unfortunately captures the essence of the comment. I’ve seen similar “traitor” comments in the comment section of blogs taking pro-war positions. There are people who hate the U.S. - or hate Bush, if you want to see it that way - that they would welcome U.S. defeats or deaths simply because they feel it would discredit Bush, activist foreign policy, etc. There is a point where disagreement goes over that fine line - to paraphrase a Supreme Court Opinion on pornography, I don’t know that I could define it, but I damn well know it when I see it, and I have seen it.

That said, again, I’m not saying that is attributable to “the Left.” I’m saying that the people who actually think that way – and, in my mind, many are surely in a (hopefully minute) subset of “the Left” – have crossed the line. Actually, there is a subset of Libertarians and conservatives of the Buchanan variety (although not Buchanan himself) to which this would also apply.

The article’s position, it seems to me, is that some of the more mainstream Left (of whom the author of the piece was a prominent member prior to 9/11) might be hoping for negative news from Iraq. If so, this would be over the line to me as well - because negative news from Iraq generally means hoping for U.S. casualties.

However, the point of my question at the beginning was whether this was a fair critique? I’m not sure it is - at least not as applied via association against Kerry, even though I think it would be good for Kerry to distance himself explicitly from the whacko fringe of his supporters, and to explicitly repudiate the concept that anyone should want bad news in Iraq because it might help Kerry get elected. Now, this is getting into fantasy land, because for Kerry to do so – either, really – would be political suicide.