The other problem with isolationism is not protecting american investments abroad. Sanctions and tarrifs could always be used in retaliation to attacks on American interests but carry little weight without allies.[/quote]
That is an interesting point.
I basically is corporate welfare.
The corporations get the profits if there are any, and the taxpayer has to defend them if the run into troubles?
All that that does is encouraging investments in unstable regions that then turn bad and are used as justification for an intervention.
That is a combination of imperialism/moral hazard problem on the back of the American taxpayer.
That I have never set foot on US soil is pure speculation on your part.
Not entirely.
I asked you point blank if you’d ever been to the US, and you didn’t have the balls (integrity?) to answer. Need I find that thread for you?
It’s not speculation so much as a judgement based on the info you provided – or DIDN’T provide, more accurately.
Want another chance? Have you been to the US, or is all your “knowledge” from Professor Internet? If you have been there, for how long, and when?
The basic question stands: Do you have any practical experience living in the US, or are you just a keyboard know-it-all?
Tsk, tsk, tsk,…
You go from “having set foot on US soil”, which I undoubtedly have, if only because I lived 300 meters from the US embassy before they turned it into a ridiculous fortress, to having visited the US to “having experience living in the US”?
What is next, do I need to have a wife and children in the US?
Not that my original reply to that does not still stand.
So you have lived in the US.
That means you know 0,0000000001% or so of its territory by personal experience and the rest you know from the media.
Coward.[/quote]
Not just a coward, but a preternatural coward. And Obfuscator.
You see, living 300 m from the US Embassy qualifies him as an expert in All Things American. Think of it as staying in the Holiday Inn, Wien.
But then again, dear friend Chush, the Poseur’s expertise is not limited to Americana, either. Recall that He, better than the German General Staff in 1938, knows better the real strength of European forces in 1938. (One example among many.)
[quote]tg2hbk4488 wrote:
The idea of everyone should be equal is all nice and sweet and would be fair…but not realistic. Chad being equal with China…please. China is more important. The only suggestion I would be evening willing to consider would be 1) Remove Franc off permanent seat in security council. They have no historic merit for being there, unless being rescued by from invading forces in both world wars is a requirment for that seat. [/quote]
Your knowledge of both history and “world issues” is pretty poor. France bled itself white (ever heard of Verdun?) in the First World War, and then taught the U.S. Army how to fight modern industrial war (whether those were the best lessons is another issue).
And today France fights a handful of little African brush wars that no one ever reads about while being second only to the U.S. as an expeditionary military power, believe it or not.
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
tg2hbk4488 wrote:
The idea of everyone should be equal is all nice and sweet and would be fair…but not realistic. Chad being equal with China…please. China is more important. The only suggestion I would be evening willing to consider would be 1) Remove Franc off permanent seat in security council. They have no historic merit for being there, unless being rescued by from invading forces in both world wars is a requirment for that seat.
Your knowledge of both history and “world issues” is pretty poor. France bled itself white (ever heard of Verdun?) in the First World War, and then taught the U.S. Army how to fight modern industrial war (whether those were the best lessons is another issue).
And today France fights a handful of little African brush wars that no one ever reads about while being second only to the U.S. as an expeditionary military power, believe it or not.[/quote]
Too bad world politics and history doesnt care about who taught who or who sacrificed what. Politics care about the winners, which France was not, without help of Allies.
Thanks for questioning my knowledge, I am fully confident in it however
Too bad NOBODY (in the G8) cares about Africa. If they truely did then there wouldnt be as many problems. So to be honest, I could care less about France fighting in Africa
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
tg2hbk4488 wrote:
The idea of everyone should be equal is all nice and sweet and would be fair…but not realistic. Chad being equal with China…please.
China is more important. The only suggestion I would be evening willing to consider would be 1) Remove Franc off permanent seat in security council. They have no historic merit for being there, unless being rescued by from invading forces in both world wars is a requirment for that seat.
Your knowledge of both history and “world issues” is pretty poor. France bled itself white (ever heard of Verdun?) in the First World War, and then taught the U.S. Army how to fight modern industrial war (whether those were the best lessons is another issue).
And today France fights a handful of little African brush wars that no one ever reads about while being second only to the U.S. as an expeditionary military power, believe it or not.[/quote]
I’m sorry … I’m gonna have to throw the giant BS penalty flag on this one. France taught the US how to fight modern industrial war??? France’s attempt at modern industrial war started and stopped (horribly) with the maginot line.
Maybe you mean by getting themselves totally wiped out by the Germans who went around their defenses they demonstrated exactly how NOT to wage modern industrial warfare?
The US certainly learned that lesson … as well as a few others. Most notably how NOT to appease dictators … and how NOT to collaborate with nazis.
And we’re still learning things from France even today. Like how NOT to morally posture at the UN to prevent effective action, while at the same time raping the Oil for Food program to get billions for yourself while arming a genocidal dictator.
In fact, the US has learned many things from France but not the kind of things you’re thinking of.
(And I think the British might have thing or two to say about who is second to the US as an expeditionary military power.)
[quote]flyboy51v wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
tg2hbk4488 wrote:
The idea of everyone should be equal is all nice and sweet and would be fair…but not realistic. Chad being equal with China…please.
China is more important. The only suggestion I would be evening willing to consider would be 1) Remove Franc off permanent seat in security council. They have no historic merit for being there, unless being rescued by from invading forces in both world wars is a requirment for that seat.
Your knowledge of both history and “world issues” is pretty poor. France bled itself white (ever heard of Verdun?) in the First World War, and then taught the U.S. Army how to fight modern industrial war (whether those were the best lessons is another issue).
And today France fights a handful of little African brush wars that no one ever reads about while being second only to the U.S. as an expeditionary military power, believe it or not.
I’m sorry … I’m gonna have to throw the giant BS penalty flag on this one. France taught the US how to fight modern industrial war??? France’s attempt at modern industrial war started and stopped (horribly) with the maginot line.
Maybe you mean by getting themselves totally wiped out by the Germans who went around their defenses they demonstrated exactly how NOT to wage modern industrial warfare?
[/quote]
Not to be a dick, but you don’t seem to know what you’re talking about. I was referring to the First World War, and the French way of fighting methodical, artillery-heavy battles of attrition, which were lessons the U.S. Army learned only too well some might argue.
The “American way of war”, which is technological, firepower and attrition-oriented, owes a great deal to French doctrine in World War I. When the U.S. Army needed field manuals then it simply translated the French ones. Mixed blessing.
As for the Maginot Line, that’s also a very simplistic answer. You need to start getting your history from someone a little more knowledgeable than Mark Steyn. France’s war plan was not to simply sit behind the Maginot Line, although they could have been far more aggressive during the invasion of Poland.
When Germany attacked, the French and the British planned to meet them in Belgium, “Plan D” (for the Dyle River) was the name of it. Had the Germans gone with their original, imitation-Schlieffen Plan operational plan, the two armies would have collided there.
Hitler, in one of his strokes of genius (he had a few) accepted the idea of a more junior general (von Manstein) and sent the main thrust through the Ardennes, which was supposedly impassable to armor. So the Maginot Line is kind of beside the point. It did its job, more or less.
The French, incidentally, had more and better tanks than the Germans in 1940.
Easy for us to say. Certainly the French Resistance was basically a joke from a standpoint of causing the Germans any problems pre-D-Day. I’d like to think if the Nazis or communists had conquered America we would have resisted Red Dawn style.
But given the record of most states that have fallen under totalitarian domination, again, it’s easy for us to get on a high horse. That goes for major war in general, we Americans rarely realize how lucky we have been during the bloodiest century in human history. Who knows what would have happened.
Yup, they’re the only other real contender. But penny-pinching and dumb/corrupt weapons buys have left Britain with far fewer helicopters and sea lift than she should have. And the French have a real aircraft carrier, even if it’s rusting in port.
[quote]flyboy51v wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
tg2hbk4488 wrote:
The idea of everyone should be equal is all nice and sweet and would be fair…but not realistic. Chad being equal with China…please.
China is more important. The only suggestion I would be evening willing to consider would be 1) Remove Franc off permanent seat in security council. They have no historic merit for being there, unless being rescued by from invading forces in both world wars is a requirment for that seat.
Your knowledge of both history and “world issues” is pretty poor. France bled itself white (ever heard of Verdun?) in the First World War, and then taught the U.S. Army how to fight modern industrial war (whether those were the best lessons is another issue).
And today France fights a handful of little African brush wars that no one ever reads about while being second only to the U.S. as an expeditionary military power, believe it or not.
I’m sorry … I’m gonna have to throw the giant BS penalty flag on this one. France taught the US how to fight modern industrial war??? France’s attempt at modern industrial war started and stopped (horribly) with the maginot line.
Maybe you mean by getting themselves totally wiped out by the Germans who went around their defenses they demonstrated exactly how NOT to wage modern industrial warfare?
The US certainly learned that lesson … as well as a few others. Most notably how NOT to appease dictators … and how NOT to collaborate with nazis.
And we’re still learning things from France even today. Like how NOT to morally posture at the UN to prevent effective action, while at the same time raping the Oil for Food program to get billions for yourself while arming a genocidal dictator.
In fact, the US has learned many things from France but not the kind of things you’re thinking of.
(And I think the British might have thing or two to say about who is second to the US as an expeditionary military power.)
[/quote]
Yup, you learned modern warfare from the French.
Deal with it.
Plus, American military instructors readily admit this so your outrage is highly amusing.
That I have never set foot on US soil is pure speculation on your part.
Not entirely.
I asked you point blank if you’d ever been to the US, and you didn’t have the balls (integrity?) to answer. Need I find that thread for you?
It’s not speculation so much as a judgement based on the info you provided – or DIDN’T provide, more accurately.
Want another chance? Have you been to the US, or is all your “knowledge” from Professor Internet? If you have been there, for how long, and when?
The basic question stands: Do you have any practical experience living in the US, or are you just a keyboard know-it-all?
Tsk, tsk, tsk,…
You go from “having set foot on US soil”, which I undoubtedly have, if only because I lived 300 meters from the US embassy before they turned it into a ridiculous fortress, to having visited the US to “having experience living in the US”?
What is next, do I need to have a wife and children in the US?
Not that my original reply to that does not still stand.
So you have lived in the US.
That means you know 0,0000000001% or so of its territory by personal experience and the rest you know from the media.
That I have never set foot on US soil is pure speculation on your part.
Not entirely.
I asked you point blank if you’d ever been to the US, and you didn’t have the balls (integrity?) to answer. Need I find that thread for you?
It’s not speculation so much as a judgement based on the info you provided – or DIDN’T provide, more accurately.
Want another chance? Have you been to the US, or is all your “knowledge” from Professor Internet? If you have been there, for how long, and when?
The basic question stands: Do you have any practical experience living in the US, or are you just a keyboard know-it-all?
Tsk, tsk, tsk,…
You go from “having set foot on US soil”, which I undoubtedly have, if only because I lived 300 meters from the US embassy before they turned it into a ridiculous fortress, to having visited the US to “having experience living in the US”?
What is next, do I need to have a wife and children in the US?
Not that my original reply to that does not still stand.
So you have lived in the US.
That means you know 0,0000000001% or so of its territory by personal experience and the rest you know from the media.
Coward.
Not just a coward, but a preternatural coward. And Obfuscator.
You see, living 300 m from the US Embassy qualifies him as an expert in All Things American. Think of it as staying in the Holiday Inn, Wien.
But then again, dear friend Chush, the Poseur’s expertise is not limited to Americana, either. Recall that He, better than the German General Staff in 1938, knows better the real strength of European forces in 1938. (One example among many.)
[/quote]
No arguments but post after pointless post about me.
[quote]tg2hbk4488 wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
tg2hbk4488 wrote:
The idea of everyone should be equal is all nice and sweet and would be fair…but not realistic. Chad being equal with China…please.
China is more important. The only suggestion I would be evening willing to consider would be 1) Remove Franc off permanent seat in security council. They have no historic merit for being there, unless being rescued by from invading forces in both world wars is a requirment for that seat.
Your knowledge of both history and “world issues” is pretty poor. France bled itself white (ever heard of Verdun?) in the First World War, and then taught the U.S. Army how to fight modern industrial war (whether those were the best lessons is another issue).
And today France fights a handful of little African brush wars that no one ever reads about while being second only to the U.S. as an expeditionary military power, believe it or not.
Too bad world politics and history doesnt care about who taught who or who sacrificed what. Politics care about the winners, which France was not, without help of Allies.
Thanks for questioning my knowledge, I am fully confident in it however
[/quote]
[quote]orion wrote:
flyboy51v wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
tg2hbk4488 wrote:
The idea of everyone should be equal is all nice and sweet and would be fair…but not realistic. Chad being equal with China…please.
China is more important. The only suggestion I would be evening willing to consider would be 1) Remove Franc off permanent seat in security council. They have no historic merit for being there, unless being rescued by from invading forces in both world wars is a requirment for that seat.
Your knowledge of both history and “world issues” is pretty poor. France bled itself white (ever heard of Verdun?) in the First World War, and then taught the U.S. Army how to fight modern industrial war (whether those were the best lessons is another issue).
And today France fights a handful of little African brush wars that no one ever reads about while being second only to the U.S. as an expeditionary military power, believe it or not.
I’m sorry … I’m gonna have to throw the giant BS penalty flag on this one. France taught the US how to fight modern industrial war??? France’s attempt at modern industrial war started and stopped (horribly) with the maginot line.
Maybe you mean by getting themselves totally wiped out by the Germans who went around their defenses they demonstrated exactly how NOT to wage modern industrial warfare?
The US certainly learned that lesson … as well as a few others. Most notably how NOT to appease dictators … and how NOT to collaborate with nazis.
And we’re still learning things from France even today. Like how NOT to morally posture at the UN to prevent effective action, while at the same time raping the Oil for Food program to get billions for yourself while arming a genocidal dictator.
In fact, the US has learned many things from France but not the kind of things you’re thinking of.
(And I think the British might have thing or two to say about who is second to the US as an expeditionary military power.)
Yup, you learned modern warfare from the French.
Deal with it.
Plus, American military instructors readily admit this so your outrage is highly amusing.[/quote]
ok so… Russia had peace keepers in south osseta… Georga invades south osseta killing Russian peace keepers and thousands of Russian citizens… and somehow Russia responding with force, is a ‘blatant act of aggression’?
i must be confused.
personally i hope if someone killed a bunch of US peace keepers and civilians we’d respond with MORE aggression.