Is Obama Clinically Psychotic?

[SexMachine]

[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:
I’m sure that if you spent as much effort trying to prove Clinton or Bush were psychopaths you would find the same.

Your just obsessed with using your reasoning to justify your simple notions young padasith. Must study the ways of the darkside moar. [/quote]

Not really. Although Clinton is a pervert.[/quote]

No, really. If you put in the same time and were as critical of Bush or Clinton you would say the same about them. You just cant because of your weird biases. [/quote]

This is not a political issue. It’s an honest assessment. I’m surprised you can’t see it.

[SexMachine]

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]espenl wrote:
Being psychotic and being a psychopat are two very different diagnoses.
It would take an incredible effort for a psychopath to pretend to care enough about people to get enough of a following to become president. I think the correct diagnosis is “Politician”.[/quote]

Nonsense. Psychopaths are masters at imitating emotions and manipulating others. The OSS psychological profile of Hitler came to the conclusion that he was a psychopath. Psychological profiles of Stalin and Nicolae Ceausescu have come to the same conclusion about them. [/quote]

Are you referring to Murray’s or Langer’s report? Either way, the diagnosis for Hitler from them was grim, to say the least. And prescient. It’q quite the read.

Both Murray and Langer were well-respected pioneers of psychological profiling. Where are the detailed reports with similar diagnoses and from similarly-respected psychologists regarding Obama?

I suspect you haven’t read the report itself. Otherwise, you wouldn’t hide behind the chickenshit excuse that examples of Obama’s pathology don’t lend themselves well to written descriptions. They certainly did for Murray and Langer regarding Hitler. There’s all sorts of examples of Hitler’s behaviors and the psychosis that might have been underscored by such behavior.

Where is it with Obama? You must be well-versed in psychology if you feel confident in making a diagnosis without ever interviewing the subject or any of his associates. If you are that well-versed in psychology, then providing examples of Obama’s behavior that might explain specific aspects of his assumed pathology shouldn’t be an issue at all for you.

Or is it possible that you are simply talking out of your ass about a subject you know very little about? That would be a shame because I’d love to continue the discussion with you, since political psychological profiles happens to be an area of particular interest to me and is what I spent a large amount of time studying while earning my history and political science degrees.[/quote]

I was referring to Langer’s report. As I have said I’m giving my honest opinion about Obama. Yes it’s true I don’t like Obama and I’m not claiming that I am impervious to bias. I’m also not claiming to be an expert on psychology. It is indeed a layman’s assessment. But it’s not a complete indictment of the man. I’m certainly not saying he’s capable of murder or anything like that. I’m also not saying that psychopathy is necessarily a perfect assessment. He may have narcissistic personality disorder, borderline personality disorder - as I said I’m no expert but I generally see something wrong with the guy.

Having said that I believe some of my favourite historical leaders were also mentally ill - Churchill was undoubtably type II bipolar. I believe Lincoln probably was as well.

[DBCooper]

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]espenl wrote:
Being psychotic and being a psychopat are two very different diagnoses.
It would take an incredible effort for a psychopath to pretend to care enough about people to get enough of a following to become president. I think the correct diagnosis is “Politician”.[/quote]

Nonsense. Psychopaths are masters at imitating emotions and manipulating others. The OSS psychological profile of Hitler came to the conclusion that he was a psychopath. Psychological profiles of Stalin and Nicolae Ceausescu have come to the same conclusion about them. [/quote]

Are you referring to Murray’s or Langer’s report? Either way, the diagnosis for Hitler from them was grim, to say the least. And prescient. It’q quite the read.

Both Murray and Langer were well-respected pioneers of psychological profiling. Where are the detailed reports with similar diagnoses and from similarly-respected psychologists regarding Obama?

I suspect you haven’t read the report itself. Otherwise, you wouldn’t hide behind the chickenshit excuse that examples of Obama’s pathology don’t lend themselves well to written descriptions. They certainly did for Murray and Langer regarding Hitler. There’s all sorts of examples of Hitler’s behaviors and the psychosis that might have been underscored by such behavior.

Where is it with Obama? You must be well-versed in psychology if you feel confident in making a diagnosis without ever interviewing the subject or any of his associates. If you are that well-versed in psychology, then providing examples of Obama’s behavior that might explain specific aspects of his assumed pathology shouldn’t be an issue at all for you.

Or is it possible that you are simply talking out of your ass about a subject you know very little about? That would be a shame because I’d love to continue the discussion with you, since political psychological profiles happens to be an area of particular interest to me and is what I spent a large amount of time studying while earning my history and political science degrees.[/quote]

I was referring to Langer’s report. As I have said I’m giving my honest opinion about Obama. Yes it’s true I don’t like Obama and I’m not claiming that I am impervious to bias. I’m also not claiming to be an expert on psychology. It is indeed a layman’s assessment. But it’s not a complete indictment of the man. I’m certainly not saying he’s capable of murder or anything like that. I’m also not saying that psychopathy is necessarily a perfect assessment. He may have narcissistic personality disorder, borderline personality disorder - as I said I’m no expert but I generally see something wrong with the guy.

Having said that I believe some of my favourite historical leaders were also mentally ill - Churchill was undoubtably type II bipolar. I believe Lincoln probably was as well.[/quote]

So in other words, your honest opinion is that he is mentally ill to some degree even though you readily admit to being wholly unqualified to make such an assessment on your own. And yet you made that assessment anyways.

Yep, that’s about par for the course for you.

[DBCooper]

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:
I’m sure that if you spent as much effort trying to prove Clinton or Bush were psychopaths you would find the same.

Your just obsessed with using your reasoning to justify your simple notions young padasith. Must study the ways of the darkside moar. [/quote]

Not really. Although Clinton is a pervert.[/quote]

No, really. If you put in the same time and were as critical of Bush or Clinton you would say the same about them. You just cant because of your weird biases. [/quote]

This is not a political issue. It’s an honest assessment. I’m surprised you can’t see it.[/quote]

It’s an honest assessment from someone incapable of making a legitimate assessment. Sort of like Stevie Wonder’s honest assessment about the color of the sky during a particular sunset.

You provided Hare’s checklist and said that Obama fit the criteria to a tee. Can you provide specific examples of his behavior that would solidify your honest assessment? Where are the examples of his behavior that fit this criteria that occur on a pathological or clinical level? Do you even know the difference between clinical and pathological? Do you anything about what you are talking about?

[espenl]

When analysing him you seem to consider all his political actions to be 100% his choice. You have to swallow some camels and step on some toes to get to lead the greatest nation on earth If he is a psychopath it doesn’t really matter, it will just be a label.

[Severiano]

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:
I’m sure that if you spent as much effort trying to prove Clinton or Bush were psychopaths you would find the same.

Your just obsessed with using your reasoning to justify your simple notions young padasith. Must study the ways of the darkside moar. [/quote]

Not really. Although Clinton is a pervert.[/quote]

No, really. If you put in the same time and were as critical of Bush or Clinton you would say the same about them. You just cant because of your weird biases. [/quote]

For real. The Clintons had a trail of bodies leading to the gates of the white house and Bill looked straight into the camera on national television and said “I did not have sex with that woman” which later was proven to be probably the most bold faced lie in the history of television.

I think Bush actually and truly is a people person. I’d watched a bunch of his weekly press conferences from the rose garden and he really did seem to enjoy interacting with people, and had a great rapport with some of the reporters.
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Bill was such a freaking liar… I’d say he was pathological, but that’s messed up to pathological liars. Bill would lawyer accusation to the point he seemed to believe them, stuff like lying to himself and the public when Flowers accused him of an affair for 10 years. He denied it and it was okay since it was actually 12.

It sort of brings me back to this though… Why… Why don’t we understand lawyers are the most deceptive and convincing of people because they are trained to be so?

If we just understood that we could cut past half the bullshit and get something worthwhile done in the world, for the human race. Why cant we put economists or accomplished astrophysicist in office? WTF are we doing electing these deviants when there are far, far better options?

[SexMachine]

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]espenl wrote:
Being psychotic and being a psychopat are two very different diagnoses.
It would take an incredible effort for a psychopath to pretend to care enough about people to get enough of a following to become president. I think the correct diagnosis is “Politician”.[/quote]

Nonsense. Psychopaths are masters at imitating emotions and manipulating others. The OSS psychological profile of Hitler came to the conclusion that he was a psychopath. Psychological profiles of Stalin and Nicolae Ceausescu have come to the same conclusion about them. [/quote]

Are you referring to Murray’s or Langer’s report? Either way, the diagnosis for Hitler from them was grim, to say the least. And prescient. It’q quite the read.

Both Murray and Langer were well-respected pioneers of psychological profiling. Where are the detailed reports with similar diagnoses and from similarly-respected psychologists regarding Obama?

I suspect you haven’t read the report itself. Otherwise, you wouldn’t hide behind the chickenshit excuse that examples of Obama’s pathology don’t lend themselves well to written descriptions. They certainly did for Murray and Langer regarding Hitler. There’s all sorts of examples of Hitler’s behaviors and the psychosis that might have been underscored by such behavior.

Where is it with Obama? You must be well-versed in psychology if you feel confident in making a diagnosis without ever interviewing the subject or any of his associates. If you are that well-versed in psychology, then providing examples of Obama’s behavior that might explain specific aspects of his assumed pathology shouldn’t be an issue at all for you.

Or is it possible that you are simply talking out of your ass about a subject you know very little about? That would be a shame because I’d love to continue the discussion with you, since political psychological profiles happens to be an area of particular interest to me and is what I spent a large amount of time studying while earning my history and political science degrees.[/quote]

I was referring to Langer’s report. As I have said I’m giving my honest opinion about Obama. Yes it’s true I don’t like Obama and I’m not claiming that I am impervious to bias. I’m also not claiming to be an expert on psychology. It is indeed a layman’s assessment. But it’s not a complete indictment of the man. I’m certainly not saying he’s capable of murder or anything like that. I’m also not saying that psychopathy is necessarily a perfect assessment. He may have narcissistic personality disorder, borderline personality disorder - as I said I’m no expert but I generally see something wrong with the guy.

Having said that I believe some of my favourite historical leaders were also mentally ill - Churchill was undoubtably type II bipolar. I believe Lincoln probably was as well.[/quote]

So in other words, your honest opinion is that he is mentally ill to some degree even though you readily admit to being wholly unqualified to make such an assessment on your own. And yet you made that assessment anyways.

Yep, that’s about par for the course for you.[/quote]

So a history/sociology major qualifies you? I majored in history too. And I have already given some examples of why he seems to fit the criteria. You claim to be interested in an honest discussion yet so far you’ve only levelled ad hominem attacks on the source.

[Legalsteel]

Probably not capable of substantiating any claim that Bush was a psychopath. Could maybe make the claim for some of his cabinet.
Nixon was clinically psychotic, however. As for Clinton, well, pathological liar and possible rapist.

[DBCooper]

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]espenl wrote:
Being psychotic and being a psychopat are two very different diagnoses.
It would take an incredible effort for a psychopath to pretend to care enough about people to get enough of a following to become president. I think the correct diagnosis is “Politician”.[/quote]

Nonsense. Psychopaths are masters at imitating emotions and manipulating others. The OSS psychological profile of Hitler came to the conclusion that he was a psychopath. Psychological profiles of Stalin and Nicolae Ceausescu have come to the same conclusion about them. [/quote]

Are you referring to Murray’s or Langer’s report? Either way, the diagnosis for Hitler from them was grim, to say the least. And prescient. It’q quite the read.

Both Murray and Langer were well-respected pioneers of psychological profiling. Where are the detailed reports with similar diagnoses and from similarly-respected psychologists regarding Obama?

I suspect you haven’t read the report itself. Otherwise, you wouldn’t hide behind the chickenshit excuse that examples of Obama’s pathology don’t lend themselves well to written descriptions. They certainly did for Murray and Langer regarding Hitler. There’s all sorts of examples of Hitler’s behaviors and the psychosis that might have been underscored by such behavior.

Where is it with Obama? You must be well-versed in psychology if you feel confident in making a diagnosis without ever interviewing the subject or any of his associates. If you are that well-versed in psychology, then providing examples of Obama’s behavior that might explain specific aspects of his assumed pathology shouldn’t be an issue at all for you.

Or is it possible that you are simply talking out of your ass about a subject you know very little about? That would be a shame because I’d love to continue the discussion with you, since political psychological profiles happens to be an area of particular interest to me and is what I spent a large amount of time studying while earning my history and political science degrees.[/quote]

I was referring to Langer’s report. As I have said I’m giving my honest opinion about Obama. Yes it’s true I don’t like Obama and I’m not claiming that I am impervious to bias. I’m also not claiming to be an expert on psychology. It is indeed a layman’s assessment. But it’s not a complete indictment of the man. I’m certainly not saying he’s capable of murder or anything like that. I’m also not saying that psychopathy is necessarily a perfect assessment. He may have narcissistic personality disorder, borderline personality disorder - as I said I’m no expert but I generally see something wrong with the guy.

Having said that I believe some of my favourite historical leaders were also mentally ill - Churchill was undoubtably type II bipolar. I believe Lincoln probably was as well.[/quote]

So in other words, your honest opinion is that he is mentally ill to some degree even though you readily admit to being wholly unqualified to make such an assessment on your own. And yet you made that assessment anyways.

Yep, that’s about par for the course for you.[/quote]

So a history/sociology major qualifies you? I majored in history too. And I have already given some examples of why he seems to fit the criteria. You claim to be interested in an honest discussion yet so far you’ve only levelled ad hominem attacks on the source.[/quote]

Did I say that I was qualified? Majoring in history is different than earning a degree in it, by the way.

What examples have you provided? You’ve provided examples of behavior that is in no way indicative of pathology of any sort. Drug use as a teenager is hardly the sign of a psychopath. The only thing you’ve said that might have the slightest bit of merit is his continual blaming of Bush for certain things. Of course, if criticizing the last President from the opposition party and an inability to admit when one is wrong is a sign of pathology, then virtually every President of the last 200 years fits your broad criteria.

You aren’t interested in a discussion, either, so don’t bullshit me.

You listed a bunch of criteria from Hare and then said Obama fit it to a tee. Well, how so?

[SexMachine]

[quote]Legalsteel wrote:
Probably not capable of substantiating any claim that Bush was a psychopath. Could maybe make the claim for some of his cabinet.
Nixon was clinically psychotic, however. As for Clinton, well, pathological liar and possible rapist.[/quote]

Nixon wasn’t as bad as is commonly believed. For example, when he heard about some of the biological weapons being developed at Fort Detrick he was horrified and had all offensive biological weapons research shut down. He said that biological weapons should never be used by the United States.

[DBCooper]

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Legalsteel wrote:
Probably not capable of substantiating any claim that Bush was a psychopath. Could maybe make the claim for some of his cabinet.
Nixon was clinically psychotic, however. As for Clinton, well, pathological liar and possible rapist.[/quote]

Nixon wasn’t as bad as is commonly believed. For example, when he heard about some of the biological weapons being developed at Fort Detrick he was horrified and had all offensive biological weapons research shut down. He said that biological weapons should never be used by the United States.[/quote]

Considering that this is from the same person who was bombing Cambodia and Vietnam into the Stone Age, and doing so with things like napalm and Agent Orange, if anything this is a sign of psychosis on Nixon’s part. He was certainly a pathological liar with a counteractive personality type, capable of extreme hubris in one moment and extreme self-loathing in the next, beyond narcissistic, unable to admit error, and generally just very deceptive and dishonest.

[SexMachine]

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]espenl wrote:
Being psychotic and being a psychopat are two very different diagnoses.
It would take an incredible effort for a psychopath to pretend to care enough about people to get enough of a following to become president. I think the correct diagnosis is “Politician”.[/quote]

Nonsense. Psychopaths are masters at imitating emotions and manipulating others. The OSS psychological profile of Hitler came to the conclusion that he was a psychopath. Psychological profiles of Stalin and Nicolae Ceausescu have come to the same conclusion about them. [/quote]

Are you referring to Murray’s or Langer’s report? Either way, the diagnosis for Hitler from them was grim, to say the least. And prescient. It’q quite the read.

Both Murray and Langer were well-respected pioneers of psychological profiling. Where are the detailed reports with similar diagnoses and from similarly-respected psychologists regarding Obama?

I suspect you haven’t read the report itself. Otherwise, you wouldn’t hide behind the chickenshit excuse that examples of Obama’s pathology don’t lend themselves well to written descriptions. They certainly did for Murray and Langer regarding Hitler. There’s all sorts of examples of Hitler’s behaviors and the psychosis that might have been underscored by such behavior.

Where is it with Obama? You must be well-versed in psychology if you feel confident in making a diagnosis without ever interviewing the subject or any of his associates. If you are that well-versed in psychology, then providing examples of Obama’s behavior that might explain specific aspects of his assumed pathology shouldn’t be an issue at all for you.

Or is it possible that you are simply talking out of your ass about a subject you know very little about? That would be a shame because I’d love to continue the discussion with you, since political psychological profiles happens to be an area of particular interest to me and is what I spent a large amount of time studying while earning my history and political science degrees.[/quote]

I was referring to Langer’s report. As I have said I’m giving my honest opinion about Obama. Yes it’s true I don’t like Obama and I’m not claiming that I am impervious to bias. I’m also not claiming to be an expert on psychology. It is indeed a layman’s assessment. But it’s not a complete indictment of the man. I’m certainly not saying he’s capable of murder or anything like that. I’m also not saying that psychopathy is necessarily a perfect assessment. He may have narcissistic personality disorder, borderline personality disorder - as I said I’m no expert but I generally see something wrong with the guy.

Having said that I believe some of my favourite historical leaders were also mentally ill - Churchill was undoubtably type II bipolar. I believe Lincoln probably was as well.[/quote]

So in other words, your honest opinion is that he is mentally ill to some degree even though you readily admit to being wholly unqualified to make such an assessment on your own. And yet you made that assessment anyways.

Yep, that’s about par for the course for you.[/quote]

So a history/sociology major qualifies you? I majored in history too. And I have already given some examples of why he seems to fit the criteria. You claim to be interested in an honest discussion yet so far you’ve only levelled ad hominem attacks on the source.[/quote]

Did I say that I was qualified? Majoring in history is different than earning a degree in it, by the way.

What examples have you provided? You’ve provided examples of behavior that is in no way indicative of pathology of any sort. Drug use as a teenager is hardly the sign of a psychopath. The only thing you’ve said that might have the slightest bit of merit is his continual blaming of Bush for certain things. Of course, if criticizing the last President from the opposition party and an inability to admit when one is wrong is a sign of pathology, then virtually every President of the last 200 years fits your broad criteria.

You aren’t interested in a discussion, either, so don’t bullshit me.

You listed a bunch of criteria from Hare and then said Obama fit it to a tee. Well, how so? [/quote]

Obama is narcissistic. I gave examples. Obama’s narcissism has been widely commented upon in the media. Narcissism is regarded as one of foundations of psychopathy.

Obama has glib and superficial charm - clearly doesn’t lend itself to written examples. If you disagree and believe he is genuinely charming or has no charm then say so.

Obama’s juvenile delinquency - excessive cocaine abuse. Stimulant abuse - coke, nicotine - is extremely prevalent among psychopaths. Studies have shown they are far more susceptible to stimulant addiction than the general population.

Obama’s parents abandoned him as a child. Childhood abandonment and abuse are extremely common backgrounds in psychopaths.

Obama’s delusional sense of superiority - on display during his first presidential campaign. He created a cult of personality and portrayed himself as a messianic figure - the only one who can save the people, the fundamental change, the hope, the lofty speeches, the absurd promises, the exaggerated self worth from a man with about six months experience as a practicing senator. And he’d already published two autobiographies at this stage. A total non entity who thinks he’s ‘the one’ - the one that everyone’s been waiting for - the demagogue who needs a TelePrompter to string his words together.

Blaming others for his mistakes - already discussed.

His sheer audacity - lies that are so blatant that even his media mouthpieces won’t swallow them.

Refusal to negotiate - Obamacare, the budget etc. Yet accuses Republicans of intransigence.

[SexMachine]

Dr. Gina Loudon has 2 Masters Degrees and a PhD in psychological fields (Psychology [WWU]; Counseling Education [SLU]; Human Development [FGU]; Human and Organizational Systems [FGU]).

"it is interesting to consider some characteristics when combined with actions of President Obama since he took office…

Obama has taken more luxury vacations than any other president, and he has done so as the American economy was in collapse for his policies. He has taken his entire family and spent tens of millions of dollars in exotic, luxe locations like Hawaii, Vail, Europe and Africa. His predecessors made Americans increasingly familiar with places like Camp David and Martha?s Vineyard or their own vacation homes such as the Bushes? Kennebunkport, the Kennedys? Cape Cod, the Reagans? Rancho Del Cielo in California or George W?s exotic locale, Crawford, Texas.

But luxe vacations are just the beginning. Obama has golfed more than any other president. On days when America has been under attack, on days when military heroes have died, on days when the nation is mourning - still Obama finds time for a game of hoops with a hip-hop star or a round of golf with a key contributor. His advisers had to pull him off the golf course to talk him into taking out Osama bin Laden.

When conservatives decry this point, the statist media scoff. Tone deafness and personal excesses are only relevant when Republicans are accused. Remember the ridicule over the fake issue over Bush 41′s apparent introduction to the grocery store scanner? Such media protection emboldens.
Nothing has changed.

After the second round of murders of government-guaranteed defenseless Fort Hood soldiers last week, Obama mustered a tear or two for cameras before slipping out the back door to head to a $32,000-per-plate party for himself.
This pattern of inauthenticity would be very difficult, even debilitating for someone with an intact conscience, in my opinion.

But audacity is a manifestation of psychopathy, and Obama is a master of audacity. He has exacted more items into law by the capricious act of executive order than any other president in such a short period of time. Traditionally, this is only done in very rare instances, because presidents know that the American people will not stand for that sort of tyranny. In Obama?s case, it is explained away, if mentioned by media at all, with whinings of “the other party’s obstructionist acts” or “someone else forced the president to act so cavalierly.”

That brings us to another habit of the psychopath ? blaming others. First, Obama and his cronies blamed President Bush for just about everything. They blame the tea party for any bad press, the Koch brothers for any mishaps and Congress for Obama?s tyrannical executive orders and the removal of the filibuster as a means of defense against Obama?s imperial appointments.

The truly skilled psychopath can make his own biases look like they are the shortcoming of his opponent. When the New Black Panther thugs with clubs were intimidating voters during the 2008 election, those who voiced concern were called racist and alarmist for even bringing up the issue. Once elected, Obama had his attorney general, Eric Holder not only drop all charges but actually drop convictions! President Obama accuses others of racial bias, when it is he who is one of the worst.

One of the psychopath’s favorite tactics is the pity party. In a recent interview with New Yorker Magazine, the president continued to complain about those who hate him for his race. The psychopath will use those who call them out for their actions to gain sympathy and President Obama is adept at using anyone who criticizes him to get the public to feel sorry for him. As mentioned earlier, he is able to blame his tyrannical abuse of the executive order power on those terrible obstructionist Republicans who hate him because he is black.

Another common trait of the psychopath is a mysterious and shady past. We know very little about President Obama?s formative years and little about his college years. Records are sealed or withheld, and requests for them are dismissed as ridiculous requests from paranoid detractors.

The psychopath is great at connecting personally with people and convinces everyone that he is just like them. President Obama is just a normal guy who likes movies, basketball, golf and likes to play video games. Experts call it mirroring.
Perhaps the most frightening symptom of the psychopath is to kill while keeping their own hands clean. Obama takes full credit for killing Osama bin Laden to the point of both stealing the glory from our Navy SEALs and at the same time betraying the existence of SEAL Team Six and exposing them to unwarranted assassination risk - risk that resulted in the worst catastrophic loss of life in the history of the SEALs. Did Obama take responsibility for that? He certainly spent far less time mourning their loss or taking responsibility for their deaths than he did taking credit for being tough dealing with terror.

While he did take credit for bin Laden, he has not taken any responsibility for deaths resulting from Fast and Furious, the gun-running operation that has put guns in the hands of Mexican drug cartels that have most certainly cost American and other lives. He has not only never expressed any sense of responsibility for that, he has shown no remorse. And worse, he capitalizes on the situation by singing the praises of gun control.

Perhaps most flagrant act of this president, if we are looking at evidence of psychopathy, is the lack of any substantive remorse, or responsibility shown for what happened to two Navy SEALs, an American ambassador and an information management officer, at the hands of vicious terrorists in Benghazi. The American public has repeatedly expressed outrage and fury for the lies and manipulations that cost these precious American lives, but the administration has arrogantly dismissed, excused and ignored any culpability or held anyone to account.

No one knew that Pol Pot, Hitler or Ceausescu were psychopaths until they knew. Could America be more perceptive, more insightful, more predictive of a psychopath in leadership before it is too late?"

[DBCooper]

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

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[quote]espenl wrote:
Being psychotic and being a psychopat are two very different diagnoses.
It would take an incredible effort for a psychopath to pretend to care enough about people to get enough of a following to become president. I think the correct diagnosis is “Politician”.[/quote]

Nonsense. Psychopaths are masters at imitating emotions and manipulating others. The OSS psychological profile of Hitler came to the conclusion that he was a psychopath. Psychological profiles of Stalin and Nicolae Ceausescu have come to the same conclusion about them. [/quote]

Are you referring to Murray’s or Langer’s report? Either way, the diagnosis for Hitler from them was grim, to say the least. And prescient. It’q quite the read.

Both Murray and Langer were well-respected pioneers of psychological profiling. Where are the detailed reports with similar diagnoses and from similarly-respected psychologists regarding Obama?

I suspect you haven’t read the report itself. Otherwise, you wouldn’t hide behind the chickenshit excuse that examples of Obama’s pathology don’t lend themselves well to written descriptions. They certainly did for Murray and Langer regarding Hitler. There’s all sorts of examples of Hitler’s behaviors and the psychosis that might have been underscored by such behavior.

Where is it with Obama? You must be well-versed in psychology if you feel confident in making a diagnosis without ever interviewing the subject or any of his associates. If you are that well-versed in psychology, then providing examples of Obama’s behavior that might explain specific aspects of his assumed pathology shouldn’t be an issue at all for you.

Or is it possible that you are simply talking out of your ass about a subject you know very little about? That would be a shame because I’d love to continue the discussion with you, since political psychological profiles happens to be an area of particular interest to me and is what I spent a large amount of time studying while earning my history and political science degrees.[/quote]

I was referring to Langer’s report. As I have said I’m giving my honest opinion about Obama. Yes it’s true I don’t like Obama and I’m not claiming that I am impervious to bias. I’m also not claiming to be an expert on psychology. It is indeed a layman’s assessment. But it’s not a complete indictment of the man. I’m certainly not saying he’s capable of murder or anything like that. I’m also not saying that psychopathy is necessarily a perfect assessment. He may have narcissistic personality disorder, borderline personality disorder - as I said I’m no expert but I generally see something wrong with the guy.

Having said that I believe some of my favourite historical leaders were also mentally ill - Churchill was undoubtably type II bipolar. I believe Lincoln probably was as well.[/quote]

So in other words, your honest opinion is that he is mentally ill to some degree even though you readily admit to being wholly unqualified to make such an assessment on your own. And yet you made that assessment anyways.

Yep, that’s about par for the course for you.[/quote]

So a history/sociology major qualifies you? I majored in history too. And I have already given some examples of why he seems to fit the criteria. You claim to be interested in an honest discussion yet so far you’ve only levelled ad hominem attacks on the source.[/quote]

Did I say that I was qualified? Majoring in history is different than earning a degree in it, by the way.

What examples have you provided? You’ve provided examples of behavior that is in no way indicative of pathology of any sort. Drug use as a teenager is hardly the sign of a psychopath. The only thing you’ve said that might have the slightest bit of merit is his continual blaming of Bush for certain things. Of course, if criticizing the last President from the opposition party and an inability to admit when one is wrong is a sign of pathology, then virtually every President of the last 200 years fits your broad criteria.

You aren’t interested in a discussion, either, so don’t bullshit me.

You listed a bunch of criteria from Hare and then said Obama fit it to a tee. Well, how so? [/quote]

Obama is narcissistic. I gave examples. Obama’s narcissism has been widely commented upon in the media. Narcissism is regarded as one of foundations of psychopathy.

Obama has glib and superficial charm - clearly doesn’t lend itself to written examples. If you disagree and believe he is genuinely charming or has no charm then say so.

Obama’s juvenile delinquency - excessive cocaine abuse. Stimulant abuse - coke, nicotine - is extremely prevalent among psychopaths. Studies have shown they are far more susceptible to stimulant addiction than the general population.

Obama’s parents abandoned him as a child. Childhood abandonment and abuse are extremely common backgrounds in psychopaths.

Obama’s delusional sense of superiority - on display during his first presidential campaign. He created a cult of personality and portrayed himself as a messianic figure - the only one who can save the people, the fundamental change, the hope, the lofty speeches, the absurd promises, the exaggerated self worth from a man with about six months experience as a practicing senator. And he’d already published two autobiographies at this stage. A total non entity who thinks he’s ‘the one’ - the one that everyone’s been waiting for - the demagogue who needs a TelePrompter to string his words together.

Blaming others for his mistakes - already discussed.

His sheer audacity - lies that are so blatant that even his media mouthpieces won’t swallow them.

Refusal to negotiate - Obamacare, the budget etc. Yet accuses Republicans of intransigence.[/quote]

Provide me with examples of pathological narcissism. We’re all narcissistic to a certain extent. Where does Obama cross the line into pathology?

Glib and superficial charm? Who finds him charming? His supporters? And again, where/when does this cross into pathology? And what part of the DSM-V lists this as a sign of pathology?

What do you know about Obama’s past cocaine use that qualifies you to make any assessment about it at all? As far as we know, he isn’t still using cocaine and was never an addict. What steps did he take to defeat this addiction?

His parents didn’t abandon him. His father, who appears to have never been a serious part of his life to begin with, died when he was 21. His mother never abandoned him, although he did live with his grandparents at various times while his mother pursued her PhD. If this is a factor in Obama’s psychosis, what are the outward signs of it? How does his psychosis manifest itself?

Again, your description of him during the 2008 election is far too biased and based in ignorance and fear on your part to have any sort of use in a psychological profile of the man. There isn’t a single politician in a political campaign who doesn’t portray himself as a saving figure of sorts. Was that your first presidential election? How many Presidents in times of war have presented themselves as the only candidates qualified to protect the country, as if they are the ONLY ones capable of protecting an entire nation from its enemies? How grandiose can you get? If presenting yourself as THE solution to all of the country’s problems is a sign of psychosis, then we’ve been run by psychopaths for more than 200 years.

Blaming others for their failures? Again, the same can be said about any politician. What is it about Obama that sends him careening off into looney land?

Refusal to negotiate? Last I checked, Obamacare is nothing like what he originally wanted, the result of negotiations. Also, John Boehner and Ted Cruz have shown more than enough willingness to refuse to negotiate on certain issues, and have vocalized as much. Why aren’t they psychopaths?

My point is that while, yes, some of the behavior you describe is certainly the sign of personality disorders of various types, this is behavior that virtually ALL of us are guilty of to certain extents. It becomes psychosis when a person has these qualities on a pathological level. Where is the evidence of Obama’s pathology?

[Legalsteel]

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Legalsteel wrote:
Probably not capable of substantiating any claim that Bush was a psychopath. Could maybe make the claim for some of his cabinet.
Nixon was clinically psychotic, however. As for Clinton, well, pathological liar and possible rapist.[/quote]

Nixon wasn’t as bad as is commonly believed. For example, when he heard about some of the biological weapons being developed at Fort Detrick he was horrified and had all offensive biological weapons research shut down. He said that biological weapons should never be used by the United States.[/quote]

There were orders to ignore the President when Kissinger was in power. I think he may have legitimately been schizophrenic.

[DBCooper]

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Dr. Gina Loudon has 2 Masters Degrees and a PhD in psychological fields (Psychology [WWU]; Counseling Education [SLU]; Human Development [FGU]; Human and Organizational Systems [FGU]).

"it is interesting to consider some characteristics when combined with actions of President Obama since he took office…

Obama has taken more luxury vacations than any other president, and he has done so as the American economy was in collapse for his policies. He has taken his entire family and spent tens of millions of dollars in exotic, luxe locations like Hawaii, Vail, Europe and Africa. His predecessors made Americans increasingly familiar with places like Camp David and Martha?s Vineyard or their own vacation homes such as the Bushes? Kennebunkport, the Kennedys? Cape Cod, the Reagans? Rancho Del Cielo in California or George W?s exotic locale, Crawford, Texas.

But luxe vacations are just the beginning. Obama has golfed more than any other president. On days when America has been under attack, on days when military heroes have died, on days when the nation is mourning - still Obama finds time for a game of hoops with a hip-hop star or a round of golf with a key contributor. His advisers had to pull him off the golf course to talk him into taking out Osama bin Laden.

When conservatives decry this point, the statist media scoff. Tone deafness and personal excesses are only relevant when Republicans are accused. Remember the ridicule over the fake issue over Bush 41′s apparent introduction to the grocery store scanner? Such media protection emboldens.
Nothing has changed.

After the second round of murders of government-guaranteed defenseless Fort Hood soldiers last week, Obama mustered a tear or two for cameras before slipping out the back door to head to a $32,000-per-plate party for himself.
This pattern of inauthenticity would be very difficult, even debilitating for someone with an intact conscience, in my opinion.

But audacity is a manifestation of psychopathy, and Obama is a master of audacity. He has exacted more items into law by the capricious act of executive order than any other president in such a short period of time. Traditionally, this is only done in very rare instances, because presidents know that the American people will not stand for that sort of tyranny. In Obama?s case, it is explained away, if mentioned by media at all, with whinings of “the other party’s obstructionist acts” or “someone else forced the president to act so cavalierly.”

That brings us to another habit of the psychopath ? blaming others. First, Obama and his cronies blamed President Bush for just about everything. They blame the tea party for any bad press, the Koch brothers for any mishaps and Congress for Obama?s tyrannical executive orders and the removal of the filibuster as a means of defense against Obama?s imperial appointments.

The truly skilled psychopath can make his own biases look like they are the shortcoming of his opponent. When the New Black Panther thugs with clubs were intimidating voters during the 2008 election, those who voiced concern were called racist and alarmist for even bringing up the issue. Once elected, Obama had his attorney general, Eric Holder not only drop all charges but actually drop convictions! President Obama accuses others of racial bias, when it is he who is one of the worst.

One of the psychopath’s favorite tactics is the pity party. In a recent interview with New Yorker Magazine, the president continued to complain about those who hate him for his race. The psychopath will use those who call them out for their actions to gain sympathy and President Obama is adept at using anyone who criticizes him to get the public to feel sorry for him. As mentioned earlier, he is able to blame his tyrannical abuse of the executive order power on those terrible obstructionist Republicans who hate him because he is black.

Another common trait of the psychopath is a mysterious and shady past. We know very little about President Obama?s formative years and little about his college years. Records are sealed or withheld, and requests for them are dismissed as ridiculous requests from paranoid detractors.

The psychopath is great at connecting personally with people and convinces everyone that he is just like them. President Obama is just a normal guy who likes movies, basketball, golf and likes to play video games. Experts call it mirroring.
Perhaps the most frightening symptom of the psychopath is to kill while keeping their own hands clean. Obama takes full credit for killing Osama bin Laden to the point of both stealing the glory from our Navy SEALs and at the same time betraying the existence of SEAL Team Six and exposing them to unwarranted assassination risk - risk that resulted in the worst catastrophic loss of life in the history of the SEALs. Did Obama take responsibility for that? He certainly spent far less time mourning their loss or taking responsibility for their deaths than he did taking credit for being tough dealing with terror.

While he did take credit for bin Laden, he has not taken any responsibility for deaths resulting from Fast and Furious, the gun-running operation that has put guns in the hands of Mexican drug cartels that have most certainly cost American and other lives. He has not only never expressed any sense of responsibility for that, he has shown no remorse. And worse, he capitalizes on the situation by singing the praises of gun control.

Perhaps most flagrant act of this president, if we are looking at evidence of psychopathy, is the lack of any substantive remorse, or responsibility shown for what happened to two Navy SEALs, an American ambassador and an information management officer, at the hands of vicious terrorists in Benghazi. The American public has repeatedly expressed outrage and fury for the lies and manipulations that cost these precious American lives, but the administration has arrogantly dismissed, excused and ignored any culpability or held anyone to account.

No one knew that Pol Pot, Hitler or Ceausescu were psychopaths until they knew. Could America be more perceptive, more insightful, more predictive of a psychopath in leadership before it is too late?"[/quote]

Dude, just stop. You’re quoting a FoxNews mouthpiece with a “PhD” from an online university? Someone who has never actually practiced psychology? Someone whose masters degree was withheld from her for “political reasons” for years?

I’m not even going to bother addressing the myriad inaccuracies, half-truths and outright lies in that article you provided. You should stick with actual experts in the field next time. Start with Erich Fromm and the syndrome of decay. I mean, if you’re going to resort to the appeal to authority fallacy, you could at least use an actual authority on the issue of psychologically profiling, namely someone who has actually had patients and psychologically profiled someone before.

[DBCooper]

I remember when President Bush was asked if there were any regrets he had or any mistakes he made as President. He said he couldn’t think of any. Must be a psychotic.

[SexMachine]

[quote]Legalsteel wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Legalsteel wrote:
Probably not capable of substantiating any claim that Bush was a psychopath. Could maybe make the claim for some of his cabinet.
Nixon was clinically psychotic, however. As for Clinton, well, pathological liar and possible rapist.[/quote]

Nixon wasn’t as bad as is commonly believed. For example, when he heard about some of the biological weapons being developed at Fort Detrick he was horrified and had all offensive biological weapons research shut down. He said that biological weapons should never be used by the United States.[/quote]

There were orders to ignore the President when Kissinger was in power. I think he may have legitimately been schizophrenic. [/quote]

Orders from James Schlesinger - a crackpot who was subsequently dismissed by Ford for giving that order to his predecessor.