Is My Doctor Stupid?

[quote]SWR-1222D wrote:
Why not tell him about the benefits of Creatine, and how it could be good for his heart and brain?

And that he doesn’t need to train with weights to get some positive benefits from it.

Ask him what specific negative side effects it has and what it actually does in the body.

Maybe print out some articles showing the benefits of Creatine, and make sure it has good, up-to-date references.

Then ask for an apology.[/quote]

How is creatine good for your heart or brain? What benefits does it have other than improving strength and performance? Not knowcking creatine-I take it. I have just never seen any of these benefits mentioned.

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
Ghost22 wrote:
they know about normal fat people problems like high blood pressure/hypertension, obesity, and depression. And I guar-ass-tee you they know more about that stuff than you do.

I wouldn’t bet my house on that one either. They know how to recognize and treat symptoms. Few MDs in the U.S. look at your body functions as a whole. They see high cholesterol (a relative term itself) and prescribe a drug that lowers your cholesterol level in a blood test. Studies have shown a correlation between heart disease and high cholesterol. Therefore, they assume high cholesterol causes heat disease, forgetting that correlation does not prove causation. Not to mention that these drugs do tremendous harm to other parts of your body.

DB
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The generalizations are getting thick in here. Very rarely do PATIENTS care about full body health. Most patients never see a doctor unless they are in pain or dying. You don’t blame the treatment of disease on the doctors when the average person on the street won’t even go to a dentist until after damage is done and half of their face is swollen. Is that the dentist’s fault? How many patients go see a doctor just for a general check up when there are no problems? Is that the doctor’s fault?

How many people see a health care professional to PREVENT a disease from ever occuring? What is your CURRENT blood pressure reading? You have had one in the last couple of months, right? Every man on this board over the age of 35 has had their prostate examined? Is that the doctor’s fault as well?

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
SWR-1222D wrote:
Why not tell him about the benefits of Creatine, and how it could be good for his heart and brain?

And that he doesn’t need to train with weights to get some positive benefits from it.

Ask him what specific negative side effects it has and what it actually does in the body.

Maybe print out some articles showing the benefits of Creatine, and make sure it has good, up-to-date references.

Then ask for an apology.

How is creatine good for your heart or brain? What benefits does it have other than improving strength and performance? Not knowcking creatine-I take it. I have just never seen any of these benefits mentioned.
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Here’s what I found with a quick Google search of “creatine brain”:

I was surprised to see this on webmd, since the last time I checked their website for anything nutritional, they were saying that high protein intakes (anything higher than USRDA) was bad for one’s health and they had 20 year old references to go with it.

http://www.doctorphyto.com/Library/Editorials/Creatine_and_Brain_Function.htm

And if you clicked on the “Creatine information and facts” link on the above page you’ll get this page:

http://www.doctorphyto.com/Library/Editorials/Creatine_Information_and_Facts.htm

This one’s another, but seems to come off as more speculative, almost hinting that there may be long term neg. side effects, but they don’t know yet. They use “might” a lot and use caution about recomending Creatine for a long period of time. Still good to get other views though.

http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/creatine/creatine-health.htm

This one (above) goes into both heart and brain benefits down around the middle of the page.

Another good article (it’s from a competing site, so I’ll copy and past the info) has some good info about creatine too:

Sorry for the wordyness and there’s probably a lot of repeated information within those links. I hope it helped anyway.

Oops, I just realized that the last link I posted and the article I pasted were the same article, just on different web sites.

Oh well, I guess it’s good to have the link and the article in case some like to read links and others like to read posts.

Creatine isn’t safe but the durgs doctors like him prescribe to their patients kills 300 people a day is safe?I don’t get it.Don’t listen to him and keep taking it if you see results.Creatine has been shown to be healthy for human consumption.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
How many people see a health care professional to PREVENT a disease from ever occuring?[/quote]

Annual physicals all my life, except for a few years when I didn’t have health insurance coverage. (Yes, I know that was stupid.)

I check it about once a week at home. Most recent two readings: 132/87, 134/91. I’m 45, my father was on dialysis the last two years of his life - you bet I keep close tabs on my BP.

My doctor is the spitting image of Gillian Anderson. You bet I have her do a digital rectal exam every chance I get.

Elevated creatanine levels can show potential problems with the kidney. Problem is taking creatine can screw up the test. But because of the increase in creatanine levels, it was thought there might be some risk to the kidney. This has been found not to be the case.

I am not currently taking creatine, but had an elevated creatanine level, and the doctor wanted me retested. I told her why it was elevated, as working out increases levels, and so does having larger muscles. But I still did the test after taking a week off of lifting, and when the blood test came back in the normal range (upper of course) she told me I must have been right.

I listen to the doctor, definitely, but I make sure they know I am not stupid, and am the one in charge of my health. I try to do this in as respectful of a way as I can.

And I get my prostate examined in the alley for $10. They usually pay me up front.

Umm guys,you’re getting too technical or nerdy in here.I trust my doc in giving me good medical advise,but I’ll continue with creatine because I know it’s doing good and not killing me.I’ve been working out and taking Biotest supps. since 01,so I know my shit(kind of).Not dissing in this post,just bowing out.

Your doctor is a moron. He thinks because he is an MD he knows everything. You wouldnt believe hardly any doctors even understand the basic principles of exercise science. People are very specific in their knowledge these days. You have doctors that know everything about pathology but havent a fucking clue about the energy systems that power the body.

Your doctor should at least say stop taking it for now until I read up on it, if he has no clue about what you are taking.

Singram!,
How dost thou ask a question then say you know the answer.

Interesting. Thanks.

[quote]SWR-1222D wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
SWR-1222D wrote:
Why not tell him about the benefits of Creatine, and how it could be good for his heart and brain?

And that he doesn’t need to train with weights to get some positive benefits from it.

Ask him what specific negative side effects it has and what it actually does in the body.

Maybe print out some articles showing the benefits of Creatine, and make sure it has good, up-to-date references.

Then ask for an apology.

How is creatine good for your heart or brain? What benefits does it have other than improving strength and performance? Not knowcking creatine-I take it. I have just never seen any of these benefits mentioned.

Here’s what I found with a quick Google search of “creatine brain”:

I was surprised to see this on webmd, since the last time I checked their website for anything nutritional, they were saying that high protein intakes (anything higher than USRDA) was bad for one’s health and they had 20 year old references to go with it.

http://www.doctorphyto.com/Library/Editorials/Creatine_and_Brain_Function.htm

And if you clicked on the “Creatine information and facts” link on the above page you’ll get this page:

http://www.doctorphyto.com/Library/Editorials/Creatine_Information_and_Facts.htm

This one’s another, but seems to come off as more speculative, almost hinting that there may be long term neg. side effects, but they don’t know yet. They use “might” a lot and use caution about recomending Creatine for a long period of time. Still good to get other views though.

http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/creatine/creatine-health.htm

This one (above) goes into both heart and brain benefits down around the middle of the page.

Another good article (it’s from a competing site, so I’ll copy and past the info) has some good info about creatine too:

By: Will Brink

Although creatine offers an array of benefits, most people think of it simply as a supplement that bodybuilders and other athletes use to gain strength and muscle mass. Nothing could be further from the truth.

A substantial body of research has found that creatine may have a wide variety of uses. In fact, creatine is being studied as a supplement that may help with diseases affecting the neuromuscular system, such as muscular dystrophy (MD). Recent studies suggest creatine may have therapeutic applications in aging populations for wasting syndromes, muscle atrophy, fatigue, gyrate atrophy, Parkinson’s disease, Huntington’s disease and other brain pathologies.

Several studies have shown creatine can reduce cholesterol by up to 15% and it has been used to correct certain inborn errors of metabolism, such as in people born without the enzyme(s) responsible for making creatine. Some studies have found that creatine may increase growth hormone production.

What Is Creatine?

Creatine is formed in the human body from the amino acids methionine, glycine and arginine. The average person’s body contains approximately 120 grams of creatine stored as creatine phosphate. Certain foods such as beef, herring and salmon, are fairly high in creatine. However, a person would have to eat pounds of these foods daily to equal what can be obtained in one teaspoon of powdered creatine.

Creatine is directly related to adenosine triphosphate (ATP). ATP is formed in the powerhouses of the cell, the mitochondria. ATP is often referred to as the “universal energy molecule” used by every cell in our bodies. An increase in oxidative stress coupled with a cell’s inability to produce essential energy molecules such as ATP, is a hallmark of the aging cell and is found in many disease states. Key factors in maintaining health are the ability to: (a) prevent mitochondrial damage to DNA caused by reactive oxygen species (ROS) and (b) prevent the decline in ATP synthesis, which reduces whole body ATP levels. It would appear that maintaining antioxidant status (in particular intra-cellular glutathione) and ATP levels are essential in fighting the aging process.

It is interesting to note that many of the most promising anti-aging nutrients such as CoQ10, NAD, acetyl-l-carnitine and lipoic acid are all taken to maintain the ability of the mitochondria to produce high energy compounds such as ATP and reduce oxidative stress. The ability of a cell to do work is directly related to its ATP status and the health of the mitochondria. Heart tissue, neurons in the brain and other highly active tissues are very sensitive to this system. Even small changes in ATP can have profound effects on the tissues’ ability to function properly. Of all the nutritional supplements available to us currently, creatine appears to be the most effective for maintaining or raising ATP levels.

How Does Creatine Work?

In a nutshell, creatine works to help generate energy. When ATP loses a phosphate molecule and becomes adenosine diphosphate (ADP), it must be converted back to ATP to produce energy. Creatine is stored in the human body as creatine phosphate (CP) also called phosphocreatine. When ATP is depleted, it can be recharged by CP. That is, CP donates a phosphate molecule to the ADP, making it ATP again. An increased pool of CP means faster and greater recharging of ATP, which means more work can be performed. This is why creatine has been so successful for athletes. For short-duration explosive sports, such as sprinting, weight lifting and other anaerobic endeavors, ATP is the energy system used.

To date, research has shown that ingesting creatine can increase the total body pool of CP which leads to greater generation of energy for anaerobic forms of exercise, such as weight training and sprinting. Other effects of creatine may be increases in protein synthesis and increased cell hydration.

A Breakdown Of Creatine
Creatine has had spotty results in affecting performance in endurance sports such as swimming, rowing and long distance running, with some studies showing no positive effects on performance in endurance athletes. Whether or not the failure of creatine to improve performance in endurance athletes was due to the nature of the sport or the design of the studies is still being debated.

Creatine can be found in the form of creatine monohydrate, creatine citrate, creatine phosphate, creatine-magnesium chelate and even liquid versions. However, the vast majority of research to date showing creatine to have positive effects on pathologies, muscle mass and performance used the monohydrate form. Creatine monohydrate is over 90% absorbable. What follows is a review of some of the more interesting and promising research studies with creatine.

Creatine & Neuromuscular Diseases

One of the most promising areas of research with creatine is its effect on neuromuscular diseases such as MD. One study looked at the safety and efficacy of creatine monohydrate in various types of muscular dystrophies using a double blind, crossover trial. Thirty-six patients (12 patients with facioscapulohumeral dystrophy, 10 patients with Becker dystrophy, eight patients with Duchenne dystrophy and six patients with sarcoglycan-deficient limb girdle muscular dystrophy) were randomized to receive creatine or placebo for eight weeks.

The researchers found there was a “mild but significant improvement” in muscle strength in all groups. The study also found a general improvement in the patients’ daily-life activities as demonstrated by improved scores in the Medical Research Council scales and the Neuromuscular Symptom scale. Creatine was well tolerated throughout the study period, according to the researchers. 1

Another group of researchers fed creatine monohydrate to people with neuromuscular disease at 10 grams per day for five days, then reduced the dose to 5 grams per day for five days. The first study used 81 people and was followed by a single-blinded study of 21 people. In both studies, body weight, handgrip, dorsiflexion and knee extensor strength were measured before and after treatment.

The researchers found “Creatine administration increased all measured indices in both studies.” Short-term creatine monohydrate increased high-intensity strength significantly in patients with neuromuscular disease.2 There have also been many clinical observations by physicians that creatine improves the strength, functionality and symptomology of people with various diseases of the neuromuscular system.

Creatine & Neurological Protection/Brain Injury

If there is one place creatine really shines, it’s in protecting the brain from various forms of neurological injury and stress. A growing number of studies have found that creatine can protect the brain from neurotoxic agents, certain forms of injury and other insults. Several in vitro studies found that neurons exposed to either glutamate or beta-amyloid (both highly toxic to neurons and involved in various neurological diseases) were protected when exposed to creatine. 3 The researchers hypothesized that “… cells supplemented with the precursor creatine make more phosphocreatine (PCr) and create larger energy reserves with consequent neuroprotection against stressors.”

More recent studies, in vitro and in vivo in animals, have found creatine to be highly neuroprotective against other neurotoxic agents such as N-methyl-D-aspartate (NMDA) and malonate.4 Another study found that feeding rats creatine helped protect them against tetrahydropyridine (MPTP), which produces parkinsonism in animals through impaired energy production. The results were impressive enough for these researchers to conclude, "These results further implicate metabolic dysfunction in MPTP neurotoxicity and suggest a novel therapeutic approach, which may have applicability in Parkinson’s disease."5 Other studies have found creatine protected neurons from ischemic (low oxygen) damage as is often seen after strokes or injuries.6

Yet more studies have found creatine may play a therapeutic and or protective role in Huntington’s disease7, 8 as well as ALS (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis).9 This study found that "… oral administration of creatine produced a dose-dependent improvement in motor performance and extended survival in G93A transgenic mice, and it protected mice from loss of both motor neurons and substantia nigra neurons at 120 days of age. Creatine administration protected G93A transgenic mice from increases in biochemical indices of oxidative damage.

Therefore, creatine administration may be a new therapeutic strategy for ALS." Amazingly, this is only the tip of the iceberg showing creatine may have therapeutic uses for a wide range of neurological disease as well as injuries to the brain. One researcher who has looked at the effects of creatine commented, “This food supplement may provide clues to the mechanisms responsible for neuronal loss after traumatic brain injury and may find use as a neuroprotective agent against acute and delayed neurodegenerative processes.”

Creatine & Heart Function

Because it is known that heart cells are dependent on adequate levels of ATP to function properly, and that cardiac creatine levels are depressed in chronic heart failure, researchers have looked at supplemental creatine to improve heart function and overall symptomology in certain forms of heart disease. It is well known that people suffering from chronic heart failure have limited endurance, strength and tire easily, which greatly limits their ability to function in everyday life. Using a double blind, placebo-controlled design, 17 patients aged 43 to 70 years with an ejection fraction < 40 were supplemented with 20 grams of creatine daily for 10 days. Before and after creatine supplementation, the researchers looked at:

Ejection fraction of the heart (blood present in the ventricle at the end of diastole and expelled during the contraction of the heart)

1-legged knee extensor (which tests strength)

Exercise performance on the cycle ergometer (which tests endurance)
Biopsies were also taken from muscle to determine if there was an increase in energy-producing compounds (i.e., creatine and creatine phosphate). Interestingly, but not surprisingly, the ejection fraction at rest and during the exercise phase did not increase. However, the biopsies revealed a considerable increase in tissue levels of creatine and creatine phosphate in the patients getting the supplemental creatine.

More importantly, patients getting the creatine had increases in strength and peak torque (21%, P < 0.05) and endurance (10%, P < 0.05). Both peak torque and 1-legged performance increased linearly with increased skeletal muscle phosphocreatine (P < 0.05). After just one week of creatine supplementation, the researchers concluded: "Supplementation to patients with chronic heart failure did not increase ejection fraction but increased skeletal muscle energy-rich phosphagens and performance as regards both strength and endurance. This new therapeutic approach merits further attention."10

Another study looked at the effects of creatine supplementation on endurance and muscle metabolism in people with congestive heart failure.11 In particular the researchers looked at levels of ammonia and lactate, two important indicators of muscle performance under stress. Lactate and ammonia levels rise as intensity increases during exercise and higher levels are associated with fatigue. High-level athletes have lower levels of lactate and ammonia during a given exercise than non-athletes, as the athletes’ metabolism is better at dealing with these metabolites of exertion, allowing them to perform better.

This study found that patients with congestive heart failure given 20 grams of creatine per day had greater strength and endurance (measured as handgrip exercise at 25%, 50% and 75% of maximum voluntary contraction or until exhaustion) and had lower levels of lactate and ammonia than the placebo group. This shows that creatine supplementation in chronic heart failure augments skeletal muscle endurance and attenuates the abnormal skeletal muscle metabolic response to exercise.

It is important to note that the whole-body lack of essential high energy compounds (e.g. ATP, creatine, creatine phosphate, etc.) in people with chronic congestive heart failure is not a matter of simple malnutrition, but appears to be a metabolic derangement in skeletal muscle and other tissues.12 Supplementing with high energy precursors such as creatine monohydrate appears to be a highly effective, low cost approach to helping these patients live more functional lives, and perhaps extend their life spans.

Conclusion

Creatine is quickly becoming one of the most well researched and promising supplements for a wide range of diseases. It may have additional uses for pathologies where a lack of high energy compounds and general muscle weakness exist, such as fibromyalgia. People with fibromyalgia have lower levels of creatine phosphate and ATP levels compared to controls.13 Some studies also suggest it helps with the strength and endurance of healthy but aging people as well.

Though additional research is needed, there is a substantial body of research showing creatine is an effective and safe supplement for a wide range of pathologies and may be the next big find in anti-aging nutrients.

Although the doses used in some studies were quite high, recent studies suggest lower doses are just as effective for increasing the overall creatine phosphate pool in the body. Two to three grams per day appears adequate for healthy people to increase their tissue levels of creatine phosphate. People with the aforementioned pathologies may benefit from higher intakes, in the 5-to-10 grams per day range.

About The Author

Will Brink is a columnist, contributing consultant, and writer for various health/fitness, medical, and bodybuilding publications. His articles relating to nutrition, supplements, weight loss, exercise and medicine can be found in such publications as Lets Live, Muscle Media 2000, MuscleMag International, The Life Extension Magazine, Muscle n Fitness, Inside Karate, Exercise For Men Only, Body International, Power, Oxygen, Penthouse, Women’s World and The Townsend Letter For Doctors.
He is the Consulting Sports Nutrition Editor and a monthly columnist for Physical magazine and an Editor at Large for Power magazine. Will graduated from Harvard University with a concentration in the natural sciences, and is a consultant to major supplement, dairy, and pharmaceutical companies.

He has been co author of several studies relating to sports nutrition and health found in peer reviewed academic journals, as well as having commentary published in JAMA.

He runs the highly popular web site BrinkZone.com which is strategically positioned to fulfill the needs and interests of people with diverse backgrounds and knowledge. The BrinkZone site has a following with many sports nutrition enthusiasts, athletes, fitness professionals, scientists, medical doctors, nutritionists, and interested lay people. William has been invited to lecture on the benefits of weight training and nutrition at conventions and symposiums around the U.S. and Canada, and has appeared on numerous radio and television programs.

William has worked with athletes ranging from professional bodybuilders, golfers, fitness contestants, to police and military personnel.

Sorry for the wordyness and there’s probably a lot of repeated information within those links. I hope it helped anyway.[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
dollarbill44 wrote:
Ghost22 wrote:
they know about normal fat people problems like high blood pressure/hypertension, obesity, and depression. And I guar-ass-tee you they know more about that stuff than you do.

I wouldn’t bet my house on that one either. They know how to recognize and treat symptoms. Few MDs in the U.S. look at your body functions as a whole. They see high cholesterol (a relative term itself) and prescribe a drug that lowers your cholesterol level in a blood test. Studies have shown a correlation between heart disease and high cholesterol. Therefore, they assume high cholesterol causes heat disease, forgetting that correlation does not prove causation. Not to mention that these drugs do tremendous harm to other parts of your body.

DB

The generalizations are getting thick in here. Very rarely do PATIENTS care about full body health. Most patients never see a doctor unless they are in pain or dying. You don’t blame the treatment of disease on the doctors when the average person on the street won’t even go to a dentist until after damage is done and half of their face is swollen. Is that the dentist’s fault? How many patients go see a doctor just for a general check up when there are no problems? Is that the doctor’s fault?

How many people see a health care professional to PREVENT a disease from ever occuring? What is your CURRENT blood pressure reading? You have had one in the last couple of months, right? Every man on this board over the age of 35 has had their prostate examined? Is that the doctor’s fault as well?[/quote]

Most intelligent people do get a yearly physical and do keep tabs on blood pressure and get prostate exams and other important tests when they reach the appropriate age for them. And any good doctor tells them that they should. Obviously, they can’t force them to. And everyone is not intelligent or smart about their health. Where do you practice? Is it in an economically disadvantaged area?

[quote]jsbrook wrote:

Most intelligent people do get a yearly physical and do keep tabs on blood pressure and get prostate exams and other important tests when they reach the appropriate age for them. And any good doctor tells them that they should. Obviously, they can’t force them to. And everyone is not intelligent or smart about their health. Where do you practice? Is it in an economically disadvantaged area?
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I am in the military. Economics don’t come into it at all. Even with FREE care and ORDERS to come to an appointment, we have patients putting off treatment or avoiding putting forth the effort to make appointments themselves. I don’t know how you got the concept that even “most intelligent people” get regular check ups from any healthy care provider because it isn’t true.

In fact, some of the people who seek health care services the least are the actual health care providers.

Medical guidelines have changed fairly recently and annual physicals for a healthy adult are now considered unnecessary. Here are a few links that support that viewpoint:

http://www.ncpa.org/iss/hea/2003/pd081303d.html

http://www.healthfinder.gov/news/newsstory.asp?docID=526534

Do some google searching and you’ll find hundreds more.

However, it is still important to go for regular screening exams for your prostate, cholesterol, etc.

A few years ago, I landed myself in the ER. The doctor there asked me the usual battery of questions and when I mentioned I took protein supplements, he became very alarmed. He was freaking out over a simple protein shake and it took several minutes to get him to leave me alone about it.

My primary care physician, however, is ahead of the curve and understands the benefits of proper supplementation. It’s like anything else - some people get it, some people don’t. Doctors are no different.

[quote]Leafblighter wrote:
Medical guidelines have changed fairly recently and annual physicals for a healthy adult are now considered unnecessary. Here are a few links that support that viewpoint:[/quote]

If someone has had a physical in even the last two years they are ahead of the curve. You have people walking around now with diabetes and high blood pressure that are completely undiagnosed because they haven’t seen a doctor in the last 5-10 years. I know you didn’t write this, but do some of you think that even a slight majority in this country keep regular tabs on their health?

[quote]Leafblighter wrote:

My primary care physician, however, is ahead of the curve and understands the benefits of proper supplementation. It’s like anything else - some people get it, some people don’t. Doctors are no different.[/quote]

Just to focus on this, if your doc is overweight and seems clueless on the subject, there are other doctors out there.

why not say to him, “I think you are uniformed about the safety and/or efficacy of creatine, i woul dbe happy to send you some indexed published papers - if you agree to read them and provide feedback”. “Your tone is derogatory to me doc and in fact, research shows that doctors who are snippent with their patients tend to get sued more than doctors who speak nicely to their patients”

You - follow up, go to infotrieve or Goggle Scholar or HighWire and do a search for creatine and safety or safety of creatine - download as many PDF’s as you can, abstracts too and mail them to the doc with a note “Let’s have a journal club on this topic for my next checkup”.

[quote]dougkalman wrote:
why not say to him, “I think you are uniformed about the safety and/or efficacy of creatine, i woul dbe happy to send you some indexed published papers - if you agree to read them and provide feedback”. “Your tone is derogatory to me doc and in fact, research shows that doctors who are snippent with their patients tend to get sued more than doctors who speak nicely to their patients”

You - follow up, go to infotrieve or Goggle Scholar or HighWire and do a search for creatine and safety or safety of creatine - download as many PDF’s as you can, abstracts too and mail them to the doc with a note “Let’s have a journal club on this topic for my next checkup”.

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Very nice. I like the part about creatine. Except I would have told him off something like: “Don’t be disrespecting me. If you have a problem with my lifestyle be up front, but don’t talk down to me.”

And you can always end with “Bitch” at the end. It’s purely optional.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
dollarbill44 wrote:
Ghost22 wrote:

The generalizations are getting thick in here. Very rarely do PATIENTS care about full body health. Most patients never see a doctor unless they are in pain or dying. You don’t blame the treatment of disease on the doctors when the average person on the street won’t even go to a dentist until after damage is done and half of their face is swollen. Is that the dentist’s fault? How many patients go see a doctor just for a general check up when there are no problems? Is that the doctor’s fault?

How many people see a health care professional to PREVENT a disease from ever occuring? What is your CURRENT blood pressure reading? You have had one in the last couple of months, right? Every man on this board over the age of 35 has had their prostate examined? Is that the doctor’s fault as well?[/quote]

I don’t disagree with you that too many people aren’t concerned about their health until something goes wrong. I think that the two feed off each other (symptom treatment and non-preventive patients).

Hell, before I got sick, I was this way too. But it took over 2 years and several doctors to figure out what was wrong with me. I had WAY too many dr. visits and tests to determine that there was “nothing wrong with me” and that stress was causing physical problems that were “all in my head”. Never mind that I was not under any stress in my life. In fact, I was under less stress before all of this happened. They never had a problem writing prescriptions for my symptoms, even though there was “nothing wrong with me”. How many drs do you know that quickly prescribe an acid blocker (or recommend an otc) for heartburn without considering why the heartburn is occurring (other than the obvious of too much acid being secreted)?

To answer your other questions, I see my doctor a minimum of every 6 months for follow up blood work and general checkup. I finally found a dr. that does focus on the whole body (and psychological too). It was not easy finding one who does. Clearly, there are drs out there who do concentrate holistically, but in my experience in a major metro area with 000s of drs, there aren’t too many who do.

Since my whole debacle, I now know when my body is getting out of tune and I usually know how to correct this by myself. This was not something that was ever taught to me in school or by a dr, rather I had to do the research and educate myself on how the body works as a whole, inside and out and how important lower digestive health is on all of the body’s systems.

So, yes, I generalized a lot in my first post. That is my experience, and that of my rather large family, and the U.S. medical community. While it may seem anectdotal, I think it is fairly representative of the health system in the U.S. I can’t comment on other countries because I have little knowledge of their medical beliefs.

DB

P.S. I get a prostate exam every chance I get. I even have to bribe my doc to double check sometimes. Does that make me gay??? nttawwt.

[quote]singram wrote:
or just greedy?I went to get a check-up the other day and he asked if I was taking anything.I told him the usual things and added that I take creatine daily.He told me if I cared anything about my health,I’d be smart to discontinue creatine immeditally

.WTF,I asked him why and he just babbled about how supplements aren’t safe,ect,ect.I told him it was found in meats,and he said something to insult my intellegence and changed the subject.

He probably gets kickbacks for prescribing Meds that are 100x more dangerous like oxicotin,and he’s telling me that creatine is unsafe.Is this just ignorence,or just the pharmicutical industry pulling his strings.[/quote]

Most MD’s only know what the pharmaceutical companies tell them about medications, etc. These companies have been trying for a long time to get natural supplements under the FDA to require a prescription. This would give them most of the profits from the multibillion dollar supplement industry. So it’s just about money, not health.

Your doctor is just parroting what he heard and probably has no legitimate basis to object to any food supplement. If he actually did a little research he would know that the track record of FDA monitored drugs is dismal. Approx. 100, 000 people each year die in the US from FDA regulated, physician prescribed, pharmacist reviewed, and properly taken medications. Compare this to maybe one person a year dying from an overdose of some food supplement. So the idea that food supplements are dangerous because they are not regulated by the FDA is a joke.

Tell your doctor this next time you see him and see if that shuts him up.