Was the 15lbs dumbells thing really my story? But really in this category I would say that there is the weak all over juicers and the ones who are weak except for the bench press.
Fun to see the little crew gather again. Have you went over for a beer yet?
So typical big juicers barely train and struggle with 15kg dumbbells while the most morally reprehensible ones rep out with 365-385lbs on the bench press? What a wonderful imagination you have. I think I’d rather have a beer with you.
This is causing all kinds of existential flutterings in my bosom.
I don’t rep out with 385, but I don’t struggle with 15k dumbbells.
What kind of juicer am I? Do I even juice?
Ok jasmincar, you can come for a beer with us but you have to promise to turn that frown upside down.
You’re probably an 8 out of 10 on the degenerate scale. He’s talking about the WORST degenerate monkeys. The WORST.
Jesus, an 8? I had no idea I was so terrible.
jasmincar, seriously dude, I can’t work you out at all.
You’re obviously an intelligent guy and you’ve got some decent lifts so you know what you’re doing when it comes to training, but the shit that you come out with about steroid users is wild.
I just can’t get how you could be so ignorant on the subject. I understand you’re not pro-steroid use so it’s probably never been in your interest to research them, but god damn you’d think you’d have picked up something along the way. You’ve been on this site for years.
" the diet has been deemed one of the healthiest diets if eaten properly."
{this came from a vegan site}
says who?
if eaten properly, me i like simple
“gorillas. Their diet is herbivorous”
{same vegan site}
last i heard when people tried to copy gorilla diet the “FARTS” are horrendous
our digestive system is made to process either meat or plant based diet so it comes down to personal choice
current vegans seem be self righteous so it is difficult to find truth versus hype
Too much of anything is unhealthy and that goes for meat as well. I’d wager hat most people involved in strength training eat too much meat and as such the diet becomes unhealthy compared to a vegan or vegetarian diet.
A vegan diet is probably unhealthy for the same reasons as is a vegetarian diet.
To presume that vegans or vegetarians are unable to gain strength or size is just plain stupid but finding them within the strength & conditioning community is harder than finding meat eaters. Not because they aren’t there but because strength training and bodybuilding goes hand in hand with eating meat. Most vegans and or vegetarians seem to worry about other things than training.
And he still kills and mangles sentient animals and destroys habitat when he eats farmed plants.
THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH VEGANS
most people on this site or any other site are looking for results,so they can be considered kind of selfish and self centered
vegans ALWAYS respond with Rhetoric
if VEGANS were intelligent they would understand this is all about results
why are vegans incapable of saying something like
pea protein is a complete protien and will gives results just as good as BEEF for less costs ,easier to handle ,store prepare and use
but no we got to go to rhetoric
but i cant find a single place where someone will say pea protein is a complete protein,just it is a good protein
i have had high blood pressure from 17 to 54
finally went on a high fat high protien diet atkins 6 months later doc says i have normal blood pressure
That entirely depends on what type of meat and what type of plants. Factory farmed meat and factory farmed plants have many of the same problems. If I hunt and kill 1or 2 elk a year while you eat oil dirived nitrogen fertilized mono-crops, you’re killing more animals that I am and doing more harm to the planet. On top of probably being far les healthy.
These statements are at the very least extremely controversial, if not outright wrong. I know you’re not a vegan, so whatever, but these are the same arguments that vegans trot out when they want to play their holier-than-thou card. And there’s quite a body of evidence now that all of these arguments are bunk. It’s very similar to the cholesterol story: for years we played up the dangers of high cholesterol, only to more recently learn that the link between cholesterol and heart disease did not work nearly the way we thought it did. It became entrenched dogma, until the science caught up and found we were wrong.
Links tend to get taken down here, so I can’t place them in the post, but please search for the writings of Robb Wolf and Mark Sisson on sustainability. A good starting point would be a post on Robb’s website called “Eating Paleo Can Save The World” which was written in response to an unfortunate vegan-propaganda-piece that insinuated a vegan diet could save the world.
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and 20 characters.
Um, okay.
I do eat meat because it’s delicious, and likely would not change this regardless of its environmental impact.
However, I disagree with your characterization of Robb Wolf as a charlatan, and believe that his statements are generally sound. I also disagree that he is “thoroughly mocked in the scientific community” - of which I am a member.
The numbers you cite (X% usage of water, X% land usage of the Earth) mean relatively little in a vacuum. If we all stopped eating meat tomorrow, we would have to produce an equivalent quantity of food to replace all of the meat we stopped eating, so it’s not as though that water and land would just become entirely freed up. Can you estimate how much water and land would it take to produce an equal amount of tofu to replace one large beef cow? I can’t, but it certainly is greater than zero. Similarly, if the cows were no longer living on farmland, how long would it be before the land was no longer viable for farming?
Which of us has confirmation bias?
Have you even read his article(s) on the subject?
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80% of water
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60% plus land usage
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you plant a cow on land,
grass, weeds,trees,bushes tend to grow on same land
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Just say your a selfish fucker like me who eats meat because it’s delicious
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bacon double cheese buger
Lol, exactly.
Look here, Dr. Chipperson, I am all about data (literally - I am a biostatistician working in cardiovascular disease epidemiology). In fact, being so grounded in data helps me pluck out when a statistic has actual meaning and when it’s misleading, and the statistics you cited fall squarely into the “misleading” category.
If animals raised for meat just evaporated from the earth, we would have to use that same land to grow food to replace them. That same water the animals drink would be used to water the plants. And as previously noted, whether you will acknowledge it or not, there is ample evidence that regularly grazed land remains substantially healthier and more productive for farming than non-grazed land.
Is a lion ethically inferior to a gazelle?
We will be eating cloned meat in the next 20 years…
http://www.fastcoexist.com/3054239/china-is-building-a-million-embryo-a-year-cloned-meat-factory
“Meat is murder” I think this thread is complete now…
thread killer…