Why do people hate FOX News so much? It is like a mad obsession with the left-of-center. So yes, to quote you: it’s a goddamn channel.
Don’t start a thread contributing to the rabid anti-FOX pathology and then complain that it is “only a channel”. Can’t have it both ways.[/quote]
posting specific evidence is now equated with contributing to rabid pathology ? that’s some pretty lame mischaracterization right there.
what exactly about that first post did you read as rabid or pathalogical ? was it the smiley wink @ the end ?
and i can call fox on spreading misperceptions AND call “fans” of fox for defending their beloved inspite of the truth, because the facts speak for themselves. those vids are straight from the horses mouth. it’s fox news and it’s “fans”, i’m still having trouble with the idea that a news channel has “fans”…but as i was saying it’s fox news and it’s “fans” who can’t have it both ways: they can’t say “fair and balanced” AND do shit like this.[quote]
I myself am not much of a FOX fan. But the histrionics of its critics are always good for some entertainment.[/quote]
sure my post is critical of fox news. what’s wrong with that ? you think my critique is no good ?
why ?
and where are these “histrionics” you speak of ? again you’ve mischaracterized me and my post.
Not only did FOX label Foley a Democrat - but also AP had Foley labeled a Dem AND Dennis Hastert as well.
At least the AP issued a retraction
Cheney Praises Fox News Channel
Vice President Calls Network ‘More Accurate’ Than Others
Washington Post
April 30, 2004
Vice President Cheney endorsed the Fox News Channel during a conference call last night with tens of thousands of Republicans who were gathered across the country to celebrate a National Party for the President Day organized by the Bush-Cheney campaign…
I end up spending a lot of time watching Fox News, because they’re more accurate in my experience, in those events that I’m personally involved in, than many of the other outlets."
[quote]Mad Titan wrote:
hedo wrote:
Amazingly, a lot of people think the mainstream media isn’t biased, yet over 80% of mainstream media reporters consider themself Democrats. One only needs to look at students at some of the elite journalism schools to realize it is hardly a fair and balanced student body as far as political idealogy goes.
The public clealry has voted. Fox ratings dwarf the other cable news stations. The opinion shows are a different animal then the news division.
well said…it still baffles me how the general public is ignorant in regards to how biased the MSM is.
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Your mission, if you choose to accept it - is to find ONE single liberal who thinks the media has done anywhere near a great job of reporting on the current administration.
If the media has such a liberal bias, why are no liberals happy with the media?
ALL CORPORATE NEWS PROGRAMS ARE BIASED TO THEIR OWN ENDS! WHETHER THEY FAVOR REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS! THEY HAVE LITTLE INTEREST IN THE REALM OF PUBLIC NEEDS. YOU MUST CIRCUMVENT THEM BY SEARCHING FOR NON-CORPORATE NEWS SOURCES. SO YES FOX IS A SHILL, SO IS ABC, NY TIMES, LIMBAUGH…ETC.
“The Real Victims Of Fox News Weren’t The Liberals It Attacked But The Conservatives Who Believed It”…
NY Times
July 4, 2006
When I was covering the war in Iraq, we reporters would sometimes tune to Fox News and watch, mystified, as it purported to describe how Iraqis loved Americans. Such coverage (backed by delusional Journal editorials baffling to anyone who was actually in Iraq) misled conservatives about Iraq from the beginning. In retrospect, the real victims of Fox News weren’t the liberals it attacked but the conservatives who believed it…
Lara Logan on “negative Iraq War Coverage”
KURTZ: But critics would say, well, no wonder people back home think things are falling apart because we get this steady drumbeat of negativity from the correspondents there.
LOGAN: Well, who says things aren’t falling apart in Iraq? I mean, what you didn’t see on your screens this week was all the unidentified bodies that have been turning up, all the allegations here of militias that are really controlling the security forces…
…I mean, security dominates every single thing that happens in this country… So how it is that security issues should not then dominate the media coverage coming out of here?
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
ALL CORPORATE NEWS PROGRAMS ARE BIASED TO THEIR OWN ENDS! WHETHER THEY FAVOR REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS! THEY HAVE LITTLE INTEREST IN THE REALM OF PUBLIC NEEDS. YOU MUST CIRCUMVENT THEM BY SEARCHING FOR NON-CORPORATE NEWS SOURCES. SO YES FOX IS A SHILL, SO IS ABC, NY TIMES, LIMBAUGH…ETC.[/quote]
Some shows are called “news shows” because they are opinions about current events.
FOX is biased just like any other news channel, even if they say they aren’t. If they wanted to stop being biased, they would have to take the human beings out of it and switch to robots to collect data and present it.
TV is designed to sell stuff. They will use all kinds of techniques to entice you to watch and be subjected to commercials. If that means 24 hour coverage of someone going crazy and shooting up a school, then so be it. We will see the aftermath in full color, hear witness stories, hear from the police and what they thought of it, etc.
That doesn’t mean that what the people are saying on TV is exactly what really happened. Maybe it’ll be close, but still… it’s not necessarily the whole truth. So take your TV with a grain of salt, folks. There’s no such thing as unbiased human involvement in anything.
Find me a TV channel that isn’t trying to sell me something, and I’ll show you a TV channel that isn’t a shill. It might be kinda hard to do find one, though.
Some shows are called “news shows” because they are opinions about current events.
FOX is biased just like any other news channel, even if they say they aren’t. If they wanted to stop being biased, they would have to take the human beings out of it and switch to robots to collect data and present it.
TV is designed to sell stuff. They will use all kinds of techniques to entice you to watch and be subjected to commercials. If that means 24 hour coverage of someone going crazy and shooting up a school, then so be it. We will see the aftermath in full color, hear witness stories, hear from the police and what they thought of it, etc.
That doesn’t mean that what the people are saying on TV is exactly what really happened. Maybe it’ll be close, but still… it’s not necessarily the whole truth. So take your TV with a grain of salt, folks. There’s no such thing as unbiased human involvement in anything.
Find me a TV channel that isn’t trying to sell me something, and I’ll show you a TV channel that isn’t a shill. It might be kinda hard to do find one, though.[/quote]
My point exactly.
SO why is the left pissing down their leg for a chance to slam Fox News?
I think they all have vroom’s disease: “I saw it on You Tube so it must be true.”
c’mon dude. i posted the clips in the first post. they’re the whole reason for this thread. how can you chime in if you didn’t even look ? [/quote]
How can there be a thread about how bad Fox is if you only have one incident, and even that incident has been corrected? Oh…I’m betting you didn’t see where they corrected.
You cite the dailykos. That right there negates any point you are trying to make as it paints you as a partisan hack.
Here’s a hint - don’t go to extremeist websites for sources and expect to get a point across. You marginalize yourself.
SO why is the left pissing down their leg for a chance to slam Fox News?
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Well, we lefties tend to piss down our legs a lot. As a group, we are pretty much against anything that smacks of injustice until that means we have to make some hard decisions between bad and worse. That’s when we tend to fold up into a ball and pretend that there isn’t a problem, or lately, we blame Bush for having to make the decision in the first place.
And honestly, that pisses me off. I am not like that! So why are so many of my liberal compatriots whiny, stuck-up, or just plain damn weak? It’s getting to be that the word “liberal” is synonymous with “pussy” around here.
So FOX news made a mistake. Wow. What are the fucking odds? It’s mostly bullshit designed to sell stuff anyway. You Republican/Ultraconservatives can have your damn channel, it’s not like I’m gonna be watching it.
And get this: say on it whatever the hell you want. Call it fair and balanced while you’re at it. It doesn’t make it true.
Well, we lefties tend to piss down our legs a lot. As a group, we are pretty much against anything that smacks of injustice until that means we have to make some hard decisions between bad and worse. That’s when we tend to fold up into a ball and pretend that there isn’t a problem, or lately, we blame Bush for having to make the decision in the first place.
And honestly, that pisses me off. I am not like that! So why are so many of my liberal compatriots whiny, stuck-up, or just plain damn weak? It’s getting to be that the word “liberal” is synonymous with “pussy” around here.
So FOX news made a mistake. Wow. What are the fucking odds? It’s mostly bullshit designed to sell stuff anyway. You Republican/Ultraconservatives can have your damn channel, it’s not like I’m gonna be watching it.
And get this: say on it whatever the hell you want. Call it fair and balanced while you’re at it. It doesn’t make it true.
It’s just TV.[/quote]
Fantastic post. Loth, America would be a far better place if the liberal-left shared your mentality.
This deserves a thread all its own.
Loth, if the T-Nation Political Forum were a Parliament, you deserve to be head of the party for Liberals.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
swivel wrote:
i started the thread because fox news labeling foley a democrat and trying to paint them dems with the foley thing was an example of blatant inaccuracy. and “innacuracy” is giving them a mighty generous benefit of the doubt. but whatever, it’s exactly the sort of thing that leads to misperception if not misinformation.
I switched over to Fox just a few minutes ago. They have him labeled as a Republican now. I didn’t see the incident you refer to because - as I said - I don’t really watch cable news. Did they say Foley was a Dem? Or was it the scroll across the bottom of the screen that said it? But nonetheless, it seems that Fox has corrected their “inaccuracy”.
You have yet to address the blatant inacuracies of the other networks - namely CBS. Do they get a pass because the lie was a defamation of Bush?
i’m not “believing the lies” of anyone as i know what i saw. what are you believing ? that foley actually is a democrat or that those fox news clips were fabricated by george soros ?
You saw the news clips. You didn’t watch FOx to see if they had corrected anything. I have a newsflash for you sparky - trusting YouTube for your proof is less than reliable.
But yes - you are just another one of the ABB drones. Mindless. You see the clip on YouTube - and you are immediately an expert on the lies and deceit of Fox News.
If you hate Fox - that is fine. I can’t stand NPR. Just stop with the fake indignation if you haven’t taken the time to know the subject matter you are now waxing expert on.
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Uhh rainjack FOX labeled Foley as a dem on 2 programs—hardly an accident…
[quote]Mad Titan wrote:
hedo wrote:
Fox news refers to people who blow themselves up in crowded markets and bus stops as “homocide bombers”. The maninstream media calls them “suicide bombers”. Which term is more accurate?
Is the intent of the bomber to kill others or to simply kill himself? When you answer that question, which is more accurate.
Fox is also Pro-American. That infuriates many abroad and large section of the population at home. They go after foriegn officials with zeal during interviews. That is percieved as a conservative bias. Why that is the case is a broader question to answer.
If you actually watch Fox, you’ll notice they usually represent speakers from both sides of an argument, together, and let them go at it. The reporter will usally start it off with some directed questions. The MSM normally doesn’t do that. If you are a government official or politician your not used to being confronted like that. I find it refreshing.
Amazingly, a lot of people think the mainstream media isn’t biased, yet over 80% of mainstream media reporters consider themself Democrats. One only needs to look at students at some of the elite journalism schools to realize it is hardly a fair and balanced student body as far as political idealogy goes.
The public clealry has voted. Fox ratings dwarf the other cable news stations. The opinion shows are a different animal then the news division.
well said…it still baffles me how the general public is ignorant in regards to how biased the MSM is.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
How can there be a thread about how bad Fox is if you only have one incident, and even that incident has been corrected? Oh…I’m betting you didn’t see where they corrected.
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no i haven’t seen their corrections. have they corrected it ? if so why don’t you just post it instead of dragging me through all of this other crap ? thanks.
no , i cited fox news. facts are facts. where those clips came from matters about as much as what brand of tv i originally watched them on. the fact that you’re the type to shoot the messenger paints you more of a hack than me.[quote]
Here’s a hint - don’t go to extremeist websites for sources and expect to get a point across. You marginalize yourself.
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i’d say you’re the one limiting yourself by allowing mere brands such as “youtube” and “dailykos” to freeze your intellect like a deuce from kenny rogers.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
So you freely admit that you only watch clips strung together for you. That’s objectivity defined right there.[/quote]
I can’t generally watch FOX, the blatant word games and half truths revolt me. The other channels are more so outlining the viewpoints of both sides and letting me make my own decisions.
I’m not sure where you get “strung together” from, because that starts to sound like a Michael Moore presentation, nice try bub.
Oh, let me clarify for the retarded, I’m talking about FOX on television you ignoramus, not on youtube.
Priceless. You put your feet in your mouth more than you actually walk on them these days. What’s the matter, is your little republican world turning upside down in the light of truth?
SO why is the left pissing down their leg for a chance to slam Fox News?
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because remedial errors that can be detected by a complete political novice such as myself should not be found in a professional product.
how does any of this relate to fox news making blatant mistakes ?
again what does this have to do with other than your low self-esteem ?
“mistake” is the first time. after that it’s becoming something else. how many “mistakes” would you allow to the contractor building your house ? how many your accountant ? doctor ? bartender ?
this is ridiculous. why wouldn’t you watch it ? i watch it because i like a variety of perspectives( just like i vary my workouts, nutrition, and investment options) and you know what ?
i don’t appreciate shitty errors or deliberately misleading information in stuff that i watch, just like i don’t like hidden ingredients in my food and i will say so when i see it, not because i want to i want to rub it in anyone’s face, but because i want the qaulity of stuff i intake to improve.
nice apathy. no wonder you have issues with your self-image.
