so lonnie i dont want to burst your bubble or anything but at least with the cardio thing your g/f is right. if youre on a treadmill running your ass off youre going to get your heart rate too high and it will be cardiovascular as opposed to fat burning. these are differnt things. when your heart rate is too high your body is essentially freaking out and burning whatever it can get its hands on, and since fat is a slower burner what do you think youre burning? thats why all those “cardio” machines have the heart rate monitors on them nowadays- even though i think they are a little off sometimes that is the logic behind them. and thats why there is a chart on the side that tells you what your heart rate should be, based on your age, to burn fat and then to do cardio. ever wonder why these are too different heart rates? maybe cardio and fat burn arent the same thing? leave your g/f alone, or better yet until youve got some kind of impressive development how about taking her advice
Could you elaborate on this with regard to 400m sprinting. Would you consider this “fat burn” or “cardio”?[/quote]
i wish i could go into extreme detail here, but i just know the basics. however, to put it simply, sprinting as you know is not a long distance thing. while your heart rate may jump up really high its not going to be up there for any prolonged period of time. it is your heart rate between your sprints (during the rest period) that is burning the fat. sprints get the heart rate up really quick, then resting lets it come down a little, and the “average” -if you will- is burning the fat.
i used to run on the treadmill for my “cardio” (wanted to lose fat) like 3-4x week and i would lose 1-2lbs at the end of a week but i thought i looked worse. thats because i basically had the same amount of fat and only lost muscle/water- making me look worse.
think about your experiences with what you thought was cardio -for me it was running my ass off on a treadmill- i think if we all looked back on our failures with cardio- i.e. not dropping fat…we would all see a common theme and that is that our heart rates were probably too high. i manipulate my heart rate by using the incline now instead of the speed. typically im about 15 incline while only 3.0-3.2 speed
[quote]buffalokilla wrote:
X, were you replying to what I said or to what masterguy had said? In either case, your last sentence is wrong - the total caloric expenditure resulting from a HIIT session is much higher than 30min-1hr of “all-out cardio.”
-Dan[/quote]
How can you make a blanket statement like that without knowing how long someone would do HIIT for?
so lonnie i dont want to burst your bubble or anything but at least with the cardio thing your g/f is right. if youre on a treadmill running your ass off youre going to get your heart rate too high and it will be cardiovascular as opposed to fat burning. these are differnt things. when your heart rate is too high your body is essentially freaking out and burning whatever it can get its hands on, and since fat is a slower burner what do you think youre burning? thats why all those “cardio” machines have the heart rate monitors on them nowadays- even though i think they are a little off sometimes that is the logic behind them. and thats why there is a chart on the side that tells you what your heart rate should be, based on your age, to burn fat and then to do cardio. ever wonder why these are too different heart rates? maybe cardio and fat burn arent the same thing? leave your g/f alone, or better yet until youve got some kind of impressive development how about taking her advice
Could you elaborate on this with regard to 400m sprinting. Would you consider this “fat burn” or “cardio”?
i wish i could go into extreme detail here, but i just know the basics. however, to put it simply, sprinting as you know is not a long distance thing. while your heart rate may jump up really high its not going to be up there for any prolonged period of time. it is your heart rate between your sprints (during the rest period) that is burning the fat. sprints get the heart rate up really quick, then resting lets it come down a little, and the “average” -if you will- is burning the fat.
i used to run on the treadmill for my “cardio” (wanted to lose fat) like 3-4x week and i would lose 1-2lbs at the end of a week but i thought i looked worse. thats because i basically had the same amount of fat and only lost muscle/water- making me look worse.
think about your experiences with what you thought was cardio -for me it was running my ass off on a treadmill- i think if we all looked back on our failures with cardio- i.e. not dropping fat…we would all see a common theme and that is that our heart rates were probably too high. i manipulate my heart rate by using the incline now instead of the speed. typically im about 15 incline while only 3.0-3.2 speed
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Thanks for the extensive clarification. I agree regarding the dominance of misconceptions when it comes to this subject, thus my question. As cardio obviously means “cardiovascular exercise”, any activity that leads to a significant increase in heart rate and energy expenditure would fit this description. This wouldn’t even necessarily mean involving the “aerobic pathway”. Therefore, I regard a strict opposition of “cardio” and “fat burning” rather misleading.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
buffalokilla wrote:
X, were you replying to what I said or to what masterguy had said? In either case, your last sentence is wrong - the total caloric expenditure resulting from a HIIT session is much higher than 30min-1hr of “all-out cardio.”
-Dan
How can you make a blanket statement like that without knowing how long someone would do HIIT for? [/quote]
I am going to go do 30 seconds of HIIT training to burn off the fat ass lunch I just ate.
And to the original question: yes everyone is retarded.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
buffalokilla wrote:
X, were you replying to what I said or to what masterguy had said? In either case, your last sentence is wrong - the total caloric expenditure resulting from a HIIT session is much higher than 30min-1hr of “all-out cardio.”
-Dan
How can you make a blanket statement like that without knowing how long someone would do HIIT for?
I am going to go do 30 seconds of HIIT training to burn off the fat ass lunch I just ate.
And to the original question: yes everyone is retarded.[/quote]
[quote]sasquatch wrote:
I’m so sick of these kinds of posts. How everyone else in someones gym is just a retarded f’in moron.
What pleasure do you derive from your pedastal, in crushing such peons below? Are they all 140 lb skinny fucks doing endless curls or are they big guys using only partial ROM? Or heaven forbid were they doing something other than an oly lift? Different rep scheme other than 10x3 or 5x5?
Lift your weights. Eat your food and qyuit worrying about the other guy. If they want advice they’ll ask. Not everyone has your goals in the weightroom, and that should not be held against them.
Shut up and lift[/quote]
You haven’t been very good with reading comprehension lately…
From the original post:
“all of a sudden everyone thought slow and fast twitch muscle fibers had to do with speed and not rep count, creatin was a steroid, testosterone is a bad word, high reps make you lean, for some reason everyone thought that test. was THE STRONGEST steroid on the market. and the other crazy thing is that everyone has a friend that has 3% body fat.”
These are pure scientific fallacies. These aren’t someone else’s ideas that work for them, but because some guy read that working out by doing XYZ it’s better so he goes and says they’re retards. Two very different things.
[quote]danmaftei wrote:
sasquatch wrote:
I’m so sick of these kinds of posts. How everyone else in someones gym is just a retarded f’in moron.
What pleasure do you derive from your pedastal, in crushing such peons below? Are they all 140 lb skinny fucks doing endless curls or are they big guys using only partial ROM? Or heaven forbid were they doing something other than an oly lift? Different rep scheme other than 10x3 or 5x5?
Lift your weights. Eat your food and qyuit worrying about the other guy. If they want advice they’ll ask. Not everyone has your goals in the weightroom, and that should not be held against them.
Shut up and lift
You haven’t been very good with reading comprehension lately…
From the original post:
“all of a sudden everyone thought slow and fast twitch muscle fibers had to do with speed and not rep count, creatin was a steroid, testosterone is a bad word, high reps make you lean, for some reason everyone thought that test. was THE STRONGEST steroid on the market. and the other crazy thing is that everyone has a friend that has 3% body fat.”
These are pure scientific fallacies. These aren’t someone else’s ideas that work for them, but because some guy read that working out by doing XYZ it’s better so he goes and says they’re retards. Two very different things.[/quote]
dan
get a clue! My contention was his post was as retarded as his contention. I didn’t claim to quote info he provided. I simply was making the point that people can go about something in a different manner than that preached here and get results.
In fact, I was even referring to his idiotic scientific bullshit. I was simply stating my case that those types of posts are getting old. "I went to my gym today and guess what, someone wasn’t doing a T-Nation workout…blah,blah,blah…
My comprehension skills are just fine. After all, I know you’re an idiot from what I’ve read.
How is scientific info bullshit? By your logic, if some guy goes to the gym and squats 50 lbs for 100 reps, no one should tell him there are better ways to squat? If someone doing overhand bicep curls says it’s for their triceps, he shouldn’t be corrected?
Even disregarding the fact that you say say, essentially, that science is bullshit, why would you make a random comment on a thread? You say you’re sick of threads that make fun of anyone not doing a T-Nation workout, or a guy saying another guy is stupid cause he doesn’t lift like he does. This thread was NOT like this. It was about some guys who were spouting either downright fallacies or very shitty ideas, and then refused to be open-minded enough to even consider the fact that there might be better, more refined ideas out there.
You’re bitching about something in a thread that doesn’t have to do with what you’re bitching about. And where are all these threads you talk so much about? The only ones I see you mention is this one and mine from a few days ago. And in my thread, when I wrote a post yesterday handing your ass to you and asking you to point out where I said the things you claimed, that “I can’t accept any other idea than my own so I keep asking the same question in different ways”, that “I think everyone who doesn’t lift by the T-Nation textbook is a retard”, you didn’t even respond.
Man up to your responses, or shut up. I do agree with you that there are dumbasses out there who rail on anyone who doesn’t do some innovative T-Nation training technique, but the only time I’ve seen you mention this has been in irrelevant threads, with an attitude best suited for a pre-pubescent 3rd grader.
That’s why I spent almost 10 grand to put a full gym in my basement…I can’t stand the retarded college students at my local “hardcore” gym! They have weight rooms at the college for a reason, and no it’s not for the sports teams (they have their own facilities), so take your uneducated asses there and leave those of us who actually know a little bit the hell alone!
Sorry, you kind of touched a nerve with this one…damn I need more carbs