Is Coffee Bad?

Nutrition
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[quote]Serd wrote:
bw1985 wrote:
I didn’t say every morning, I said before a workout, which is exactly what you said you were using it for…

A cup of coffee 3-4x a week before workouts, I don’t see how thats overdoing it.

No, i believe you misread what I said, I use it BEFORE CARDIO SESSIONS. You probably dont even know why… Let me explain. Caffeine increase fax oxidation. Meaning that there is more fat in your blood stream that is being used for energy than carbohydrates (glucose). So therefore, burning more fat than glycogen.

a cup of coffee 3-4 times a week before workouts??? I workout 4 times a week, I do like glucose being stored as glycogen in my muscle cells after a hard workout but i dont know about you.
please lets end this conversation
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Uhh yeah, I’m sure that makes a huge difference, drinking it before cardio training rather than resistance training. That makes no sense.

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[quote]bw1985 wrote:
Serd wrote:
bw1985 wrote:
I didn’t say every morning, I said before a workout, which is exactly what you said you were using it for…

A cup of coffee 3-4x a week before workouts, I don’t see how thats overdoing it.

No, i believe you misread what I said, I use it BEFORE CARDIO SESSIONS. You probably dont even know why… Let me explain. Caffeine increase fax oxidation. Meaning that there is more fat in your blood stream that is being used for energy than carbohydrates (glucose). So therefore, burning more fat than glycogen.

a cup of coffee 3-4 times a week before workouts??? I workout 4 times a week, I do like glucose being stored as glycogen in my muscle cells after a hard workout but i dont know about you.
please lets end this conversation

Uhh yeah, I’m sure that makes a huge difference, drinking it before cardio training rather than resistance training. That makes no sense.
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ok, listen I’m usually a pretty nice guy, easy to get along with but you are really getting on my nerves:

First of all you have no clue what my goals or even what i look like. You don’t know what type of energy system I am working off of when i perform CARDIO, because if you did you wouldnt have responded with that lame post.

Let me further explain and try to get on your level a little bit better:
Resistance Training burns Glycogen for fuel… if you dont have any stored glycogen or glucose readily availabe you’ll burn…ok lets not get into that, are you with me so far?
Low intensity Cardiovascular activity burns mostly fat for fuel but a little glucose also.
So. The reason why ‘I’ have a little caffeine before my cardio is to enhance fat burning since my body is already in a fat burning state, thus burning more fat and more calories.

If one were to drink it before say a WEIGHT TRAINING SESSION, yes there would be a release of free fatty acids in the blood.
During the workout you’d still be using glycogen for fuel but you will be using some fat to but not as much because your in a whole different energy system,
but depending on how much caffeine you took and how it related to when you took it peri workout, there will be a block in the target cells of the protein hormone insulin to shuttle nutrients and glucose (glycogen) to be stored in your muscles for building, repairing, and Growing!!!

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Bad coffee is bad for you. Homeroast that shit. Starbucks is to coffee is what Mcdonalds is to burgers.

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[quote]Serd wrote:
ok, listen I’m usually a pretty nice guy, easy to get along with but you are really getting on my nerves:
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I think you’re the one getting on everyone’s nerves by preaching against the evils of coffee before training.

This is just another of many things where some people make a big deal over nothing.

Unless you’re sensitive to caffeine, don’t sweat a cup or two of coffee before training. It does the body good.

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Two cups each morning doesn’t make you a HUGE coffee drinker.

Coffee? Now I’M a huge drinker. I fuckin’ shower in that shit.

Ok, you don’t have to be a smart ass. I was just asking a simple question. When I said I was a HUGE coffee drinker I didn’t mean that literally. I meant it in the way that I love to drink it and I do so every morning. No need to be rude…

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[quote]anonym wrote:
Two cups each morning doesn’t make you a HUGE coffee drinker.

Coffee? Now I’M a huge drinker. I fuckin’ shower in that shit.[/quote]

I meant to quote this comment above…my bad :slight_smile:

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[quote]Serd wrote:
bw1985 wrote:
Serd wrote:
bw1985 wrote:
I didn’t say every morning, I said before a workout, which is exactly what you said you were using it for…

A cup of coffee 3-4x a week before workouts, I don’t see how thats overdoing it.

No, i believe you misread what I said, I use it BEFORE CARDIO SESSIONS. You probably dont even know why… Let me explain. Caffeine increase fax oxidation. Meaning that there is more fat in your blood stream that is being used for energy than carbohydrates (glucose). So therefore, burning more fat than glycogen.

a cup of coffee 3-4 times a week before workouts??? I workout 4 times a week, I do like glucose being stored as glycogen in my muscle cells after a hard workout but i dont know about you.
please lets end this conversation

Uhh yeah, I’m sure that makes a huge difference, drinking it before cardio training rather than resistance training. That makes no sense.

ok, listen I’m usually a pretty nice guy, easy to get along with but you are really getting on my nerves:

First of all you have no clue what my goals or even what i look like. You don’t know what type of energy system I am working off of when i perform CARDIO, because if you did you wouldnt have responded with that lame post.

Let me further explain and try to get on your level a little bit better:
Resistance Training burns Glycogen for fuel… if you dont have any stored glycogen or glucose readily availabe you’ll burn…ok lets not get into that, are you with me so far?
Low intensity Cardiovascular activity burns mostly fat for fuel but a little glucose also.
So. The reason why ‘I’ have a little caffeine before my cardio is to enhance fat burning since my body is already in a fat burning state, thus burning more fat and more calories.

If one were to drink it before say a WEIGHT TRAINING SESSION, yes there would be a release of free fatty acids in the blood.
During the workout you’d still be using glycogen for fuel but you will be using some fat to but not as much because your in a whole different energy system,
but depending on how much caffeine you took and how it related to when you took it peri workout, there will be a block in the target cells of the protein hormone insulin to shuttle nutrients and glucose (glycogen) to be stored in your muscles for building, repairing, and Growing!!!

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Listen, I wasn’t trying to be a PITA, I was simply saying that I failed to see the difference. Even after your explanation I highly doubt it accounts for any significant difference during a WO if you drink coffee before. Do you have any studies/data that you can post, Id be interested at seeing something solid. Thanks

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[quote]bw1985 wrote:
Serd wrote:
bw1985 wrote:
Serd wrote:
bw1985 wrote:
I didn’t say every morning, I said before a workout, which is exactly what you said you were using it for…

A cup of coffee 3-4x a week before workouts, I don’t see how thats overdoing it.

No, i believe you misread what I said, I use it BEFORE CARDIO SESSIONS. You probably dont even know why… Let me explain. Caffeine increase fax oxidation. Meaning that there is more fat in your blood stream that is being used for energy than carbohydrates (glucose). So therefore, burning more fat than glycogen.

a cup of coffee 3-4 times a week before workouts??? I workout 4 times a week, I do like glucose being stored as glycogen in my muscle cells after a hard workout but i dont know about you.
please lets end this conversation

Uhh yeah, I’m sure that makes a huge difference, drinking it before cardio training rather than resistance training. That makes no sense.

ok, listen I’m usually a pretty nice guy, easy to get along with but you are really getting on my nerves:

First of all you have no clue what my goals or even what i look like. You don’t know what type of energy system I am working off of when i perform CARDIO, because if you did you wouldnt have responded with that lame post.

Let me further explain and try to get on your level a little bit better:
Resistance Training burns Glycogen for fuel… if you dont have any stored glycogen or glucose readily availabe you’ll burn…ok lets not get into that, are you with me so far?
Low intensity Cardiovascular activity burns mostly fat for fuel but a little glucose also.
So. The reason why ‘I’ have a little caffeine before my cardio is to enhance fat burning since my body is already in a fat burning state, thus burning more fat and more calories.

If one were to drink it before say a WEIGHT TRAINING SESSION, yes there would be a release of free fatty acids in the blood.
During the workout you’d still be using glycogen for fuel but you will be using some fat to but not as much because your in a whole different energy system,
but depending on how much caffeine you took and how it related to when you took it peri workout, there will be a block in the target cells of the protein hormone insulin to shuttle nutrients and glucose (glycogen) to be stored in your muscles for building, repairing, and Growing!!!

Listen, I wasn’t trying to be a PITA, I was simply saying that I failed to see the difference. Even after your explanation I highly doubt it accounts for any significant difference during a WO if you drink coffee before. Do you have any studies/data that you can post, Id be interested at seeing something solid. Thanks[/quote]

Did you not read like the first 5 posts of this thread? I already posted one link to a study to prove the fact as did someone else also. If you didn’t get them let me post them for you:

One from our own site
http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=461957

and another one:

there is plenty more too.

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Coffee is full of antioxidants, so fuck what everyone else says.

I mix my creatine with my coffee before each workout. Coffee is a good stimulant and its great for an antioxidant source.

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[quote]anonym wrote:
Two cups each morning doesn’t make you a HUGE coffee drinker.

Coffee? Now I’M a huge drinker. I fuckin’ shower in that shit.[/quote]

Steroids? Hell yeah I take steroids…

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[quote]Serd wrote:

  1. exercise actually INCREASES insulin sensitivity
  2. coffee contains caffeine, our discussion was on caffeine and how coffee has caffeine
  3. science always changes. accept it and move on[/quote]

In the previously-mentioned study, caffeine reduced insulin sensitivity acutely, but not as much in the group that exercised. In other words, exercise mitigated caffeine’s reduction of insulin sensitivity – in diabetics.

Coffee contains caffeine along with a million other things. Those million other things change the overall effects. So coffee and caffeine do not have identical effects. You can’t do a study using caffeine tablets, then extrapolate the results to include coffee. Sorry. Doesn’t work.

Blanket generalizations about “science” are useless. It is logically incorrect to apply a study without analyzing or interpreting correctly. The problem isn’t with science; it’s with people who don’t understand science but read about some study and incorrectly generalize it into something like “coffee is bad.”

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[quote]analog_kid wrote:
Bad coffee is bad for you. Homeroast that shit. Starbucks is to coffee is what Mcdonalds is to burgers.[/quote]

I recall Berardi saying that one should try to buy organic coffee and butter. Those two things are apparently well worth the extra bucks healthwise.

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[quote]Serd wrote:

  1. exercise actually INCREASES insulin sensitivity
  2. coffee contains caffeine, our discussion was on caffeine and how coffee has caffeine
  3. science always changes. accept it and move on[/quote]

That is why you shouldn’t let studies that are typically poorly designed ruin something you enjoy. If you enjoy coffee go ahead and drink it. If it is causing problems make changes.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
analog_kid wrote:
Bad coffee is bad for you. Homeroast that shit. Starbucks is to coffee is what Mcdonalds is to burgers.

I recall Berardi saying that one should try to buy organic coffee and butter. Those two things are apparently well worth the extra bucks healthwise.[/quote]

True. The location of the roasting is insignificant. Roasting it yourself without it being organic is like going to McD’s, getting the ingredients, cooking it yourself and thinking it’s better for you.

cueball

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[quote]Serd wrote:
Coffee is fine in moderation, though don’t drink it or other caffeinated drinks peri workout if your using Surge. Caffeine decreases insulin sensitivity thus decreasing glucose utitlization in your muscle cells after your workou. so caffeine + Surge= not a good mixture[/quote]

wow! didnt know this…thanx for that… i used to put coffee in my Surge during workouts!

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[quote]lordstorm88 wrote:
its no different than coke or other sodas. its quick carbs, hence you should only have it post workout. that doesnt mean its the best choice though[/quote]

what the fuck?

coffee has some beneficial flavonoids
lots of studies concluding that its not bad for you, actually in many ways good for you.

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www.creatinemonohydrate.net/creatine_newsletter_7.html

www.creatinemonohydrate.net/creatine_newsletter_19.html

I googled this b/c I had heard that caffeine and creatine were a bad combo. I’m not trying to start a war here, just wondering what everyone thinks about this? I literally ran across this a day ago.

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[quote]Dirty_Bulk wrote:
anonym wrote:
Two cups each morning doesn’t make you a HUGE coffee drinker.

Coffee? Now I’M a huge drinker. I fuckin’ shower in that shit.

Steroids? Hell yeah I take steroids…[/quote]

Not now chief… I’m in the ZONE!!

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[quote]ZeusNathan wrote:
lordstorm88 wrote:
its no different than coke or other sodas. its quick carbs, hence you should only have it post workout. that doesnt mean its the best choice though

what the fuck?

coffee has some beneficial flavonoids
lots of studies concluding that its not bad for you, actually in many ways good for you.[/quote]

Hulk like java… java Hulks friend…

Antioxidants help Hulk smash free radicals…

http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=2169642&pageNo=0#2169945

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[quote]lordstorm88 wrote:
its no different than coke or other sodas. its quick carbs, hence you should only have it post workout. that doesnt mean its the best choice though[/quote]

you’re absolutely wrong on that.