[quote]lixy wrote:
Yes. You don’t see me bitching about Americans killing Americans. I complain when you motherflippers go half-way across the world to bomb the shit out of countries, then proceed to invade them.[/quote]
Just as we bitch when muslims wage jihad on countries half way around the world.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Should I feel responsible for the actions of every American? Every Bush supporter? Every fan of Rumsfield? Everyone in the CIA? Everyone of the same sex as me? Everyone who owns the same car?
You have NO responsibility for what is done in the name of the most important, profound thing in your life, but I am responsible for “piles of dead babies” because I follow the law and pay my taxes.
How freaking convenient for you.
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Profound.
He’s right.
And convenient for Bin Laden and all the other scum Jihadists who follow this ass backwards philosophy.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
So who are these “you motherflippers” that you refer to?
And why should I feel responsible? [/quote]
Because they are organized, trained, armed and paid by your government by the people, for the people. They commit crimes in your name.
Paying taxes in the US makes you responsible to some extent.
Look, if you disagreed with the war of aggression that was waged on Iraq, just say so. It’ll show that you are not a supporter of this mad foreign policy, and should save us a lot of time bickering.
If so, I agree that you are pretty helpless when it comes to the big picture. All you can do really, is take a stand on principles and cast your vote for the least belligerent government - or even better, a non-interventionist one.
I have absolutely no responsibility there. They are not acting in my name, I haven’t entrusted them with any ballot support, and they are not using my friggin’ tax money.
Said Muslim been at meters from death when pissed off and frustrated idiots decided to blow parts of his city up.
You can’t comprehend the impact the invasion of Iraq had on the populations of my country and the Arab world in general. Hundreds and hundreds travelled to those “distant third parties” knowing they faced sure death. The rest decided to stay home and terrorize people because our government supposedly didn’t speak up.
I have seen the radicalization process with my own eyes post 2003. Regular folks started adopting the most heinous speech. And thanks to that, every progressist or dissident challenging the status quo, is now conveniently labeled a terrorist and sent away for life.
We live in a global world, and what your army does, affects me.
And I do have family and loved ones over in the Middle-East.
Not to mention the pile of dead bodies, maimed soldiers, ruined infrastructure, population scared to go to the market, and other humanitarian cost.
Stop giving them weapons. That’s all I’m going to say.
It’s not a case of “somehow less heinous”. It’s that the blame can only be put on said despot and his armed forces. In the case of Iraq, I’m afraid the fact that your compatriots reelected that pot-smoking monkey and are still funneling good money to the troops who invaded a country unprovoked, is formenting hatred towards 300 million people - most of whom are already biting their nails over the legitimacy and necessity of that war.
If my brother decides to punch me or lift my wallet, it’s incomparable to a stranger doing the same.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Yes. You don’t see me bitching about Americans killing Americans. I complain when you motherflippers go half-way across the world to bomb the shit out of countries, then proceed to invade them.
Just as we bitch when muslims wage jihad on countries half way around the world.[/quote]
Hey, I bitch about that too.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Because they are organized, trained, armed and paid by your government by the people, for the people. They commit crimes in your name.
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The blew up the twin towers in our name? You’re an idiot.
And of course Hezbollah, funded by Iran and Syria, PlO and Hamas armed with Russian AKs and rockets, these guys are ok, I suppose.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Because they are organized, trained, armed and paid by your government by the people, for the people. They commit crimes in your name.
The blew up the twin towers in our name? You’re an idiot.[/quote]
I was referring to the US military.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Because they are organized, trained, armed and paid by your government by the people, for the people. They commit crimes in your name.
The blew up the twin towers in our name? You’re an idiot.
I was referring to the US military.[/quote]
No you weren’t you never mentioned them.
Once again, you are a fucking liar.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
lixy wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Because they are organized, trained, armed and paid by your government by the people, for the people. They commit crimes in your name.
The blew up the twin towers in our name? You’re an idiot.
I was referring to the US military.
No you weren’t you never mentioned them.
Once again, you are a fucking liar. [/quote]
Can’t even follow an argument, can you?
I wrote:
“Yes. You don’t see me bitching about Americans killing Americans. I complain when you motherflippers go half-way across the world to bomb the shit out of countries, then proceed to invade them.”
To which Chuschin replied:
[i]"So who are these “you motherflippers” that you refer to?
And why should I feel responsible?"[/i]
I answer his question, saying:
[i]"Because they are organized, trained, armed and paid by your government by the people, for the people. They commit crimes in your name.
Paying taxes in the US makes you responsible to some extent. "[/i]
At which point that Gkhan kid jumps up writing;
“The blew up the twin towers in our name? You’re an idiot.”
And you come out of nowhere defending him.
If you can’t figure out that some people might hold you responsible for the actions of the army financed by your tax-money, pleading allegiance to your flag and acting in the name of the American people, you are dumber than I initially thought you were.
You said the jihadists are “organized trained, armed and paid for by our government” and commit crimes in our name.
Which jihadists do we train exactly? And which crimes are committed in our name? It’s a b.s. argument and b.s. trying to back out of it now.
Hell, doesn’t matter who or what you were talking about, Lixy, it’s all America’s fault in your opinion anyway.
Once again, let me quote a great statement:
"You have NO responsibility for what is done in the name of the most important, profound thing in your life, but I am responsible for “piles of dead babies” because I follow the law and pay my taxes.
How freaking convenient for you."
(Thanks Chushin. Next you’ll be askin’ for royalties…)
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
You said the jihadists are “organized trained, armed and paid for by our government” and commit crimes in our name.
Which jihadists do we train exactly? And which crimes are committed in our name? It’s a b.s. argument and b.s. trying to back out of it now.
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Are you this stupid?
Why on earth would jihadists be committing crimes in your name?
Do us a favor and lay off whatever psychoactive chemical you’re using.
Why don’t you lay off the anti-American pro-terrorist propaganda first.
A page back you said that all politicians are the same. Yet you let all the other dictatorships and crimes against humanity slide and blame the American public because, why? We can vote and we pay freaking taxes?
Yet you claimed that no matter who got in we would still be in the same boat.
Just because Bush is still in the White House, that means that every last American is for the war? You must be insane.
And what the hell can we do about taxes? Most of mine are taken out of my pay checks before I cash them.
When you blame the American public because we vote and pay taxes, you sound a lot like Osama Asshole Bin Laden.
Oh yeah, I need the psychoactive chemicals. Makes reading your posts easier.
Generosity breeds entitlement, it happens all the time.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
PS I just love your assertion that un-elected despots who oppress and kill their own citizens are somehow less heinous than foreigners who do so. Real humanitarian perspective.
If my brother decides to punch me or lift my wallet, it’s incomparable to a stranger doing the same.
Jesus, Lixy, I’m really starting to wonder about you. This is one of the stupid things you’ve ever written.
If your brother shoots you dead, is it “incomparable to a stranger doing the same?”
Sheesh.
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His argument make absolutely no sense whatsoever.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
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Oh, there are always options.
You could, for example, emigrate to a pacifist country, and, (assuming you can manage to keep your salary under $80,000) effectively avoid paying US income tax.
Wait… isn’t that what you’re doing now? 
Yeah, but what about the rest of us, V.
Hell, Bin Laden and Co. should declare jihad on freaking China. They’re funding our military as well.
edit- wow, I spoke too soon…
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1720909,00.html?xid=rss-topstories