The longer this conflict goes on, I am left thinking, was it worth it?
Why did we bother sending our armies to topple a dictator, only to have the ungrategful populace attack us with impunity?
Why did we bother trying to bring democracy to the middle east when the only governments that work in Arab nations are either dictatorships or islamic fundamentalist regimes?
Why did we fight Iraq when a number of other Arab states pose a far greater danger to the west - such as Iran’s growing nuclear programme?
I pose these questions as I was until recently, a solid supporter of the Iraq war - I saw it as an exercise in removing an injust murderous dictator, and sending a strong message to the Islamist nations that the west is not weak, and our democracies can stomach a protracted war.
Don’t get me wrong, I see the spread of militant Islamist terrorism as a very real threat, I just question whether this war was the most sensible tactical decision?
[quote]Joe Daley wrote:
The longer this conflict goes on, I am left thinking, was it worth it?
Why did we bother sending our armies to topple a dictator, only to have the ungrategful populace attack us with impunity?
Why did we bother trying to bring democracy to the middle east when the only governments that work in Arab nations are either dictatorships or islamic fundamentalist regimes?
Why did we fight Iraq when a number of other Arab states pose a far greater danger to the west - such as Iran’s growing nuclear programme?
I pose these questions as I was until recently, a solid supporter of the Iraq war - I saw it as an exercise in removing an injust murderous dictator, and sending a strong message to the Islamist nations that the west is not weak, and our democracies can stomach a protracted war.
Don’t get me wrong, I see the spread of militant Islamist terrorism as a very real threat, I just question whether this war was the most sensible tactical decision?[/quote]
Well first it gave the U.S. sizeable oil fields and with that comes great power and untold wealth(for a relatively few).
Iraq was a very weak country. The U.S. assumed little retaliation. But as anyone can see the neo-cons were wrong.
The fact that Hussein was a dictator just helped to provide an ostensible reason to justify attack. Along with the barrage of lies given to the American public by this administration.
Par for the course in American foreign policy. Well, actually this is to the extreme side.
Yes. For many reasons. I honor those men and women fighting for Democracy.
Zepplin,
Would you please provide a minute by minute account of your day on November 3rd, 2004?
I would like to hear what you said. What you were thinking? Who you talked to. Which websites did you visit?
Then please indicate whether you donated to the Kerry campaign. Tell me how you felt after the Democratic National Convention. Did you hear Edwards chanting in July “We’re going to win, we’re going to win…” How did you feel when you heard that? Or, remember when the pundits were raving about what a “closer” Kerry is? What did you think when you heard that?
Well first it gave the U.S. sizeable oil fields and with that comes great power and untold wealth(for a relatively few).[/quote]
Oh, yes, my oil and gas prices have really dropped since we are now stealing Iraq’s oil… Give me a break! No one is stealing oil. I don’t see any oil tankers leaving Iraq going to the USA. Remember back when we ousted Iraq from Kuwait? What did the looney left and the socialists say? HEY! The Americans are just in it for the oil! Um, ok. And DID the USA comandeer the Kuwaiti oil fields? NO! Come on! Give this tired old myth the death it deserves…
Well first it gave the U.S. sizeable oil fields and with that comes great power and untold wealth(for a relatively few).
Oh, yes, my oil and gas prices have really dropped since we are now stealing Iraq’s oil… Give me a break! No one is stealing oil. I don’t see any oil tankers leaving Iraq going to the USA. Remember back when we ousted Iraq from Kuwait? What did the looney left and the socialists say? HEY! The Americans are just in it for the oil! Um, ok. And DID the USA comandeer the Kuwaiti oil fields? NO! Come on! Give this tired old myth the death it deserves…
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Ummm…read the post! I said few benefit. Not you and me.
Yes. For many reasons. I honor those men and women fighting for Democracy.
Zepplin,
Would you please provide a minute by minute account of your day on November 3rd, 2004?
I would like to hear what you said. What you were thinking? Who you talked to. Which websites did you visit?
Then please indicate whether you donated to the Kerry campaign. Tell me how you felt after the Democratic National Convention. Did you hear Edwards chanting in July “We’re going to win, we’re going to win…” How did you feel when you heard that? Or, remember when the pundits were raving about what a “closer” Kerry is? What did you think when you heard that?
We would appreciate an answer to these questions.
Thanks!!!
JeffR[/quote]
C’mon dude! Do we have to go through this again? How many times do I have to tell you I’ve never voted for a democrat? You must have me confused with another zeppelin!
Ahhh… bascially I walked in and voted for Badnarik because Cobb wasn’t on the ballot in my state.
You’re an absolute lunatic for the republicans. You seeth at the thought of anyone voting against your beloved party of crimminals.
Turn off Limbaugh and quit reading the corporate media expecting to find some objectivity in their propaganda.
[quote]JeffR wrote:
Zeppelin wrote: “bascially I walked in and voted for Badnarik because Cobb wasn’t on the ballot in my state.”
Sorry?!?
I’m curious as to what Badnarik had to say about the Iraq War. Did he/she have any alternatives or suggestions?
This is purely an intellectual exercise.
As you can see, I’m practically begging for an alternative that is realistic.
JeffR
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First you asked me a stupid question about a minute by minute account of that day in my life.
Why don’t you break out of the corner you’ve painted yourself in and find out that there is a real alternative to the current duopoly. Expand your horizons.
Badnarik - like Cobb and most of the world - was against this war from the begining. If you care why not look it up yourself? On second thought I doubt you’d do that as you like to be spoonfed.
Media only shows people hating the US. There are plenty of people in Iraq that are happy to see us. How do I know? Because I get my information from some of the men over there. Also, one of them told me that the armor vehicle hype is a bunch of bologna. Having an armored Humvee slows you down if you get ambushed. If you keep your eyes open and aren’t goofing around, you’ll be fine. This is what a soldier told me. Also, I believe God would want his people freed from a dictator. There are wars that happened in the Bible where someone had to free “God’s people”.
Just my .02 cents. If some of that doesn’t make too much sense, its because its too damn late to be online
"First you asked me a stupid question about a minute by minute account of that day in my life.
Why don’t you break out of the corner you’ve painted yourself in and find out that there is a real alternative to the current duopoly. Expand your horizons."
WHAT IS IT? WHAT ALTERNATIVE? Being against the war in itself is no alternative.
“Badnarik - like Cobb and most of the world - was against this war from the begining. If you care why not look it up yourself? On second thought I doubt you’d do that as you like to be spoonfed.”
I’m asking you to present the beliefs of the candidate you voted for. Can you? If not, you are shameful.
I was asking for you and your candidates’ alternatives to the invasion of this war.
Again, just being against this war is not enough. Present an alternative that takes into account the obvious dangers that Saddam posed to the United States, the Middle East, and the world.
Again, just being against this war is not enough. Present an alternative that takes into account the obvious dangers that Saddam posed to the United States, the Middle East, and the world.
JeffR
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The best alternative is to nuke the entire region (Iran, Iraq, Jordon, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Israel etc.). You can’t have an enemy if they don’t exist.
"First you asked me a stupid question about a minute by minute account of that day in my life.
Why don’t you break out of the corner you’ve painted yourself in and find out that there is a real alternative to the current duopoly. Expand your horizons."
WHAT IS IT? WHAT ALTERNATIVE? Being against the war in itself is no alternative.
“Badnarik - like Cobb and most of the world - was against this war from the begining. If you care why not look it up yourself? On second thought I doubt you’d do that as you like to be spoonfed.”
I’m asking you to present the beliefs of the candidate you voted for. Can you? If not, you are shameful.
I was asking for you and your candidates’ alternatives to the invasion of this war.
Again, just being against this war is not enough. Present an alternative that takes into account the obvious dangers that Saddam posed to the United States, the Middle East, and the world.
JeffR
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I don’t need to ask you about your patron saints view of the war as I’m bombarded with it in a daily basis.
What I’m suggesting is that you do a search through google and read about the positions on the war from the non-corporate parties. You can easily find the alternatives. Why do you want me to tell you? Unless of course you like to be spoonfed.
Stratigicaly,
Would you rather walk through a field and step on every ant you can find, or set up a picnick and kill the ants as they arrive? Metaphorically speaking of course. Make no mistake about it, I know that this conflict is no picnick.
To stop the spread of terrorism what the coalition has done is set up shop so that terrorism doesn’t have to spread.If they want to fight, they know where to find the fight.Right in the center of the region.Kinda nice if you ask me.Terrorists don’t have to plan,prepare,infiltrate a country,or pull off any of the shenanigans that were necessary for 911,USS Cole, the Embasy in Africa,or anything else.We can let the brunt of our intelligence resources work in that region, and our forces remain centraly stationed. The terrorists show up less prepared and plenty angry,We blow their heads off!
This is a much better allocation of time and resources than fighting a polyheadral,widely disbursed enemy. since you brought up strategy, I figured I’d throw in my 2 cents worth.after all, I’m not much for politics.
