Iraq Invasion 10 Years Ago

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

You could always leave LIFTICVSMAXIMVS, no one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to stay. I’m sure you can find a nice tax free piece of land in some 3rd world country. [/quote]

How does one run away from empire?
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Well, you could pack up and move to some remote part of the world. Maybe along the Nile or Amazon rivers. You’d probably die of Malaria in a few months if you aren’t eaten first, but you’d be empire free. [/quote]

I know it is in vogue for libertarian minded people to go live “off the grid” but the point of leaving for me would be to be better off.

How does one legitimately flee this empire with all of his accumulated wealth while still being able to travel freely? Are you aware of the measures this government is putting in place to keep people from leaving?[/quote]

The U.S. government doesn’t care if you leave.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

…the execution was miserable, sloppy, built on ideology instead of realism, and took up too much “space” in the foreign policy area, draining important resources.

…once the decision was made that we were going to war, we should have stuck with the old rule: go in with overwhelming force, win unconditionally and quickly, and implement an updated Marshall Plan. In other words, we should have “surged” in the first instance, not in the last.

To borrow from Sherman, our troops are too important to be sending them into battle. Every war plan we have should be conceived and conducted to win strategically as quickly and unconditionally as possible. We didn’t do that in Iraq, and we are paying for it.
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Amen

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

The U.S. government doesn’t care if you leave. [/quote]

That is because government is incapable of caring for anything or anyone.

They just want our money and our lives to do its bidding.

(If you are not in the military why do you use USMC CDS designation? Did you see one too many military movies as a lad and now wish you could wear a dashing costume, too?)

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

The U.S. government doesn’t care if you leave. [/quote]

That is because government is incapable of caring for anything or anyone.

They just want our money and our lives to do its bidding.

(If you are not in the military why do you use USMC CDS designation? Did you see one too many military movies as a lad and now wish you could wear a dashing costume, too?)[/quote]

He said “no longer,” so the answer should be pretty obvious.

By the way, your argument here is nonsense. You start with do you know what kinds of things the government is doing to ensure that nobody leaves? and then, when the point is made that that statement is ridiculous and that the government doesn’t give a damn if you leave or not, you counter with, that’s because the evil government is incapable of caring.

So, which is it? Is the government really trying to make sure you don’t leave the country? And if so, in what concrete way?

And if it’s true that the government just wants “our money and our lives to do its bidding,” then how could you say that it’s indifferent to something like expatriation, which unequivocally threatens its ability to extract your money?

Consistency is important.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

The U.S. government doesn’t care if you leave. [/quote]

That is because government is incapable of caring for anything or anyone.

They just want our money and our lives to do its bidding.

(If you are not in the military why do you use USMC CDS designation? Did you see one too many military movies as a lad and now wish you could wear a dashing costume, too?)[/quote]

I don’t know what happened to you for you to be so cynical you think we are slaves to this government, I truly feel sorry for you. There are certainly a lot of issues with our government, but if you really think we have it that bad (read are slaves to her), you are mistaken. There are people in this world that are ACTUALLY SLAVES to their government. There are also people whose government MURDERS them for no reason what so ever. There are people STARVED by their governments who can’t get clean water while their rulers have wealth unfathomable to their oppressed people.

And here you are, complaining about ahving to pay taxes, while enjoying the spoils of freedom this country, our military, provide. Get a grip dude.

I am a former Marine, has nothing to do with movies. It is amazing how disrepectful you are to those that provide your freedom. It’s not a costume. My uniform represents far more than you’ll ever understand.

This will all fall on blind eyes, though, because you’ve got it so bad having to pay taxes. The tyranny. What a joke.

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I’ve said this many times before and I’ll say it again: if one considers oneself a slave and yet chooses not to take consequent action either by fleeing or overthrowing the tyranny that’s imposed upon him [and that’s exactly the situation in which an extreme libertarian living in the United States finds himself; the airport is for most people a simple cab ride away], he is an obsequious wretch and he deserves his chains.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:
I’ve said this many times before and I’ll say it again: if one considers oneself a slave and yet chooses not to take consequent action either by fleeing or overthrowing the tyranny that’s imposed upon him [and that’s exactly the situation in which an extreme libertarian living in the United States finds himself; the airport is for most people a simple cab ride away], he is an obsequious wretch and he deserves his chains.[/quote]

but, but, I can’t get away from the evil empire smh. It’s just too tough, I mean Somalia doesn’t have high speed internet or Starbucks yet.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Oh God here we go, cry me a river over defense spending. [/quote]

Although I don’t share the extreme views of some here, it is important to consider the long term consequences…and there are many.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/14/iraq-war-anniversary-idUSL1N0C5FBN20130314

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For me the spending is a huge issue, but I didn’t get to sit in those budget meetings. The thing is, imo, the removal of Saddam gives a chance to those that never ever would have had one. To me that is priceless. Will it amount to anything, maybe, maybe not. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have tried.

Everyone has their thoughts, mine are, we give billions away to fat slobs with a dozen kids, but we can’t spend money helping the oppresed? I don’t agree with that that is all. [/quote]

Why are you not jumping up and down supporting us invading Egypt, Syria, Iran, Russia, China, most of Africa, etc? Is there something special about people in Iraq or is oppression oppression? I can only assume you think our work has just started and we need to get busy with the rest of the world correct? I mean we should at least try right?

That’s just being consistent. [/quote]

Did nanyone say anything about Egypt, Syria, Ira, Russia, China, Africa, etc… How do you know my thought on the matter?

Ya actually, if some dick head is spraying “his” people with mustad gas, I’d say we should step in. Oh, but it’s expensive, says the RICHEST nation in the world that consumes THE MOST resources.

It’s cool though we can sit behind a computer enjoying our freedom, I mean fuck those kids in Africa being forced into slavery or prositution, the DOW is down…[/quote]

So wait a second. You have a problem with wasteful govt spending on people right here in this country in the form of entitlement programs that essentially use taxpayer money to better the lives of Americans who are struggling…and yet it’s okay to bomb people into democracy halfway around the world with taxpayer money?

We’re the richest nation in the world so we should be spreading freedom and saving lives all around the world, but the second someone says we should use those resources to help support the poor and infirm in our own country people like you fly off the handle about entitlement programs that go toward paying for people who don’t put into the system and that sort of thing. What the FUCK has one single Iraqi put into the American system that justifies spending trillions of dollars on them?

If we’re going to blow trillions of dollars of taxpayer money, I’d prefer we do it here in the form of entitlement programs that ostensibly aim to help the less fortunate Americans amongst us before we start doing the exact same thing in Iraq.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:
I’ve said this many times before and I’ll say it again: if one considers oneself a slave and yet chooses not to take consequent action either by fleeing or overthrowing the tyranny that’s imposed upon him [and that’s exactly the situation in which an extreme libertarian living in the United States finds himself; the airport is for most people a simple cab ride away], he is an obsequious wretch and he deserves his chains.[/quote]

but, but, I can’t get away from the evil empire smh. It’s just too tough, I mean Somalia doesn’t have high speed internet or Starbucks yet.[/quote]

You left out “Mommy and Daddy won’t pay for my plane ticket.”

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

I assumed the person I was addressing is currently in the military or training to be. I meant people who actively participate in maintaining empire or ordering others to do it for them.

Having a gun put to one’s head and being forced to pay taxes to support its effort upon threat of either being murdered or thrown in a cage is hardly what I call supporting empire.[/quote]

LOL, gun to your head? Because you can’t freely leave the U.S., right? Sounds to me like your willing to accept all the good, refuse to contribute, and want to complain that those who protect and enable your lifestyle aren’t doing it right.

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What I don’t understand is why conservatives by and large fly off the handle about wasteful govt spending when it’s spent here on entitlement programs but not when we spend it on “saving” people in Iraq or anywhere else around the globe through military intervention. We just blew about 2 trillion dollars on a wasted expenditure. It could be upwards of 6 trillion when interest payments are included.

It’s hypocrisy at its finest. “Yay, let’s spread democracy around the world by bombing everybody into it at a huge cost to ourselves, but God forbid we take that money and use it here in America on people who need it.”

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

The U.S. government doesn’t care if you leave. [/quote]

That is because government is incapable of caring for anything or anyone.

They just want our money and our lives to do its bidding.

(If you are not in the military why do you use USMC CDS designation? Did you see one too many military movies as a lad and now wish you could wear a dashing costume, too?)[/quote]

He said “no longer,” so the answer should be pretty obvious.

By the way, your argument here is nonsense. You start with do you know what kinds of things the government is doing to ensure that nobody leaves? and then, when the point is made that that statement is ridiculous and that the government doesn’t give a damn if you leave or not, you counter with, that’s because the evil government is incapable of caring.

So, which is it? Is the government really trying to make sure you don’t leave the country? And if so, in what concrete way?

And if it’s true that the government just wants “our money and our lives to do its bidding,” then how could you say that it’s indifferent to something like expatriation, which unequivocally threatens its ability to extract your money?

Consistency is important.[/quote]

You’re wrong. There are politicians who are considering legislation to confiscate people’s wealth if they decide to leave for “tax purposes”. It would also not allow any person back into the US if they give up their citizenship.

Governments only care insofar as they have our wealth to steal - at gun point.

That is the truth. Their actions prove it.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

So wait a second. You have a problem with wasteful govt spending on people right here in this country in the form of entitlement programs that essentially use taxpayer money to better the lives of Americans who are struggling…and yet it’s okay to bomb people into democracy halfway around the world with taxpayer money?

We’re the richest nation in the world so we should be spreading freedom and saving lives all around the world, but the second someone says we should use those resources to help support the poor and infirm in our own country people like you fly off the handle about entitlement programs that go toward paying for people who don’t put into the system and that sort of thing. What the FUCK has one single Iraqi put into the American system that justifies spending trillions of dollars on them?

If we’re going to blow trillions of dollars of taxpayer money, I’d prefer we do it here in the form of entitlement programs that ostensibly aim to help the less fortunate Americans amongst us before we start doing the exact same thing in Iraq. [/quote]

I don’t oppose spending our money here, on our citizens, but entitlement is a horrible concept, and the current administration in particular, and the government uses entitlement to divide the citizenry. Spend some time around the criminal justice system, and you’ll see some odd contradictions. It’s bad for a working cop to retire in 25 yrs., get another job and then retire again… no double-dipping we’re told, even though you’ve put in. As someone using “entitlements” one can get SSI/SSD to pay your bills, food stamps (even though SSI/D is supposed to cover food expenses) and free college tuition (which comes with a living stipend- for food and bills) since you don’t have a job. So, you can contribute and be blasted for wanting what you’ve put it (most LE and govt. retirements are on individual accounts)but someone who’s never put in a dime can TRIPLE dip, and it’s ok because they’re “poor.” Along those same lines, you want a job (govt. or otherwise) you have to take a drug test. Government “entitlements?” Unconstitutional to make those people have to pass a test, we’re told. Meanwhile, many people in the CJ system are using their “entitlements” to purchase or trade for drugs. So, we struggle to win a war on drugs to the tune of 2.415 billion as o 2010, while supplying 736 billion via SSI/D. The vast majority of that is legitimate, but if even as little as 10% is misused, the DEA is counter-funded by 3:1 just by our own government.

So, I agree we should spend our money on our own citizens who DESERVE it, but I don’t need the government to do that for me. We are the most charitable nation on earth as well as the richest. By turning over charity to the government, I think we contribute to our own demise, and the progressively more selfish individuals we seem to be turning out in this society. Sorry to break off on a tangent there, but trust me, government entitlements are not the “help” that they’re made out to be, and since I am in a position to see that every day, I feel the need to explain what really goes on with entitlements.

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[quote]SRT08 wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

I assumed the person I was addressing is currently in the military or training to be. I meant people who actively participate in maintaining empire or ordering others to do it for them.

Having a gun put to one’s head and being forced to pay taxes to support its effort upon threat of either being murdered or thrown in a cage is hardly what I call supporting empire.[/quote]

LOL, gun to your head? Because you can’t freely leave the U.S., right? Sounds to me like your willing to accept all the good, refuse to contribute, and want to complain that those who protect and enable your lifestyle aren’t doing it right.[/quote]

Dude, the military is just a government tool for murder and theft.

I should know.

I “proudly” wore that costume.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Oh God here we go, cry me a river over defense spending. [/quote]

Although I don’t share the extreme views of some here, it is important to consider the long term consequences…and there are many.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/14/iraq-war-anniversary-idUSL1N0C5FBN20130314

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For me the spending is a huge issue, but I didn’t get to sit in those budget meetings. The thing is, imo, the removal of Saddam gives a chance to those that never ever would have had one. To me that is priceless. Will it amount to anything, maybe, maybe not. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have tried.

Everyone has their thoughts, mine are, we give billions away to fat slobs with a dozen kids, but we can’t spend money helping the oppresed? I don’t agree with that that is all. [/quote]

Why are you not jumping up and down supporting us invading Egypt, Syria, Iran, Russia, China, most of Africa, etc? Is there something special about people in Iraq or is oppression oppression? I can only assume you think our work has just started and we need to get busy with the rest of the world correct? I mean we should at least try right?

That’s just being consistent. [/quote]

Did nanyone say anything about Egypt, Syria, Ira, Russia, China, Africa, etc… How do you know my thought on the matter?

Ya actually, if some dick head is spraying “his” people with mustad gas, I’d say we should step in. Oh, but it’s expensive, says the RICHEST nation in the world that consumes THE MOST resources.

It’s cool though we can sit behind a computer enjoying our freedom, I mean fuck those kids in Africa being forced into slavery or prositution, the DOW is down…[/quote]

So wait a second. You have a problem with wasteful govt spending on people right here in this country in the form of entitlement programs that essentially use taxpayer money to better the lives of Americans who are struggling…and yet it’s okay to bomb people into democracy halfway around the world with taxpayer money?

We’re the richest nation in the world so we should be spreading freedom and saving lives all around the world, but the second someone says we should use those resources to help support the poor and infirm in our own country people like you fly off the handle about entitlement programs that go toward paying for people who don’t put into the system and that sort of thing. What the FUCK has one single Iraqi put into the American system that justifies spending trillions of dollars on them?

If we’re going to blow trillions of dollars of taxpayer money, I’d prefer we do it here in the form of entitlement programs that ostensibly aim to help the less fortunate Americans amongst us before we start doing the exact same thing in Iraq. [/quote]

No DB, I have a problem with wasting tax payer dollars right here in America on people that DON’T NEED it. Just like i have a problem with wasting money on foreigners that DON’t NEED it.

I am not for “bombing people into democracy”. I am for doing what we can to allow others the OPPORTUNITY to be free.

You can make assumptions about me all you want, that doesn’t make them true. I haven’t been against entitlement programs for those that NEED them. I; howver, don’t beleive everyone receiving enitltment benefits in this country NEEDS them.

Do you see where my distinction is?

My justification is I want to help those that can’t help themselve, you many not agree, which is fine. That’s my reason though.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:
I’ve said this many times before and I’ll say it again: if one considers oneself a slave and yet chooses not to take consequent action either by fleeing or overthrowing the tyranny that’s imposed upon him [and that’s exactly the situation in which an extreme libertarian living in the United States finds himself; the airport is for most people a simple cab ride away], he is an obsequious wretch and he deserves his chains.[/quote]

but, but, I can’t get away from the evil empire smh. It’s just too tough, I mean Somalia doesn’t have high speed internet or Starbucks yet.[/quote]

You left out “Mommy and Daddy won’t pay for my plane ticket.”[/quote]

Ya no kidding.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]SRT08 wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

I assumed the person I was addressing is currently in the military or training to be. I meant people who actively participate in maintaining empire or ordering others to do it for them.

Having a gun put to one’s head and being forced to pay taxes to support its effort upon threat of either being murdered or thrown in a cage is hardly what I call supporting empire.[/quote]

LOL, gun to your head? Because you can’t freely leave the U.S., right? Sounds to me like your willing to accept all the good, refuse to contribute, and want to complain that those who protect and enable your lifestyle aren’t doing it right.[/quote]

Dude, the military is just a government tool for murder and theft.

I should know.

I “proudly” wore that costume.[/quote]

So who were we murdering/stealing from when the national guard was sent into post Katrina New Orleans?

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Oh God here we go, cry me a river over defense spending. [/quote]

Although I don’t share the extreme views of some here, it is important to consider the long term consequences…and there are many.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/14/iraq-war-anniversary-idUSL1N0C5FBN20130314

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For me the spending is a huge issue, but I didn’t get to sit in those budget meetings. The thing is, imo, the removal of Saddam gives a chance to those that never ever would have had one. To me that is priceless. Will it amount to anything, maybe, maybe not. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have tried.

Everyone has their thoughts, mine are, we give billions away to fat slobs with a dozen kids, but we can’t spend money helping the oppresed? I don’t agree with that that is all. [/quote]

Why are you not jumping up and down supporting us invading Egypt, Syria, Iran, Russia, China, most of Africa, etc? Is there something special about people in Iraq or is oppression oppression? I can only assume you think our work has just started and we need to get busy with the rest of the world correct? I mean we should at least try right?

That’s just being consistent. [/quote]

Did nanyone say anything about Egypt, Syria, Ira, Russia, China, Africa, etc… How do you know my thought on the matter?

Ya actually, if some dick head is spraying “his” people with mustad gas, I’d say we should step in. Oh, but it’s expensive, says the RICHEST nation in the world that consumes THE MOST resources.

It’s cool though we can sit behind a computer enjoying our freedom, I mean fuck those kids in Africa being forced into slavery or prositution, the DOW is down…[/quote]

So wait a second. You have a problem with wasteful govt spending on people right here in this country in the form of entitlement programs that essentially use taxpayer money to better the lives of Americans who are struggling…and yet it’s okay to bomb people into democracy halfway around the world with taxpayer money?

We’re the richest nation in the world so we should be spreading freedom and saving lives all around the world, but the second someone says we should use those resources to help support the poor and infirm in our own country people like you fly off the handle about entitlement programs that go toward paying for people who don’t put into the system and that sort of thing. What the FUCK has one single Iraqi put into the American system that justifies spending trillions of dollars on them?

If we’re going to blow trillions of dollars of taxpayer money, I’d prefer we do it here in the form of entitlement programs that ostensibly aim to help the less fortunate Americans amongst us before we start doing the exact same thing in Iraq. [/quote]

No DB, I have a problem with wasting tax payer dollars right here in America on people that DON’T NEED it. Just like i have a problem with wasting money on foreigners that DON’t NEED it.

I am not for “bombing people into democracy”. I am for doing what we can to allow others the OPPORTUNITY to be free.

You can make assumptions about me all you want, that doesn’t make them true. I haven’t been against entitlement programs for those that NEED them. I; howver, don’t beleive everyone receiving enitltment benefits in this country NEEDS them.

Do you see where my distinction is?

My justification is I want to help those that can’t help themselve, you many not agree, which is fine. That’s my reason though. [/quote]

I work with people all the time who are on all sorts of forms of govt assistance. They all need it. I see your distinction, but I don’t know what constitutes “need”. All I know is that whatever those Iraqis needed over there, we spent trillions of dollars and didn’t give it to them. It’s just a different boot stepping on them now.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Oh God here we go, cry me a river over defense spending. [/quote]

Although I don’t share the extreme views of some here, it is important to consider the long term consequences…and there are many.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/14/iraq-war-anniversary-idUSL1N0C5FBN20130314

[/quote]

For me the spending is a huge issue, but I didn’t get to sit in those budget meetings. The thing is, imo, the removal of Saddam gives a chance to those that never ever would have had one. To me that is priceless. Will it amount to anything, maybe, maybe not. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have tried.

Everyone has their thoughts, mine are, we give billions away to fat slobs with a dozen kids, but we can’t spend money helping the oppresed? I don’t agree with that that is all. [/quote]

Why are you not jumping up and down supporting us invading Egypt, Syria, Iran, Russia, China, most of Africa, etc? Is there something special about people in Iraq or is oppression oppression? I can only assume you think our work has just started and we need to get busy with the rest of the world correct? I mean we should at least try right?

That’s just being consistent. [/quote]

Did nanyone say anything about Egypt, Syria, Ira, Russia, China, Africa, etc… How do you know my thought on the matter?

Ya actually, if some dick head is spraying “his” people with mustad gas, I’d say we should step in. Oh, but it’s expensive, says the RICHEST nation in the world that consumes THE MOST resources.

It’s cool though we can sit behind a computer enjoying our freedom, I mean fuck those kids in Africa being forced into slavery or prositution, the DOW is down…[/quote]

So wait a second. You have a problem with wasteful govt spending on people right here in this country in the form of entitlement programs that essentially use taxpayer money to better the lives of Americans who are struggling…and yet it’s okay to bomb people into democracy halfway around the world with taxpayer money?

We’re the richest nation in the world so we should be spreading freedom and saving lives all around the world, but the second someone says we should use those resources to help support the poor and infirm in our own country people like you fly off the handle about entitlement programs that go toward paying for people who don’t put into the system and that sort of thing. What the FUCK has one single Iraqi put into the American system that justifies spending trillions of dollars on them?

If we’re going to blow trillions of dollars of taxpayer money, I’d prefer we do it here in the form of entitlement programs that ostensibly aim to help the less fortunate Americans amongst us before we start doing the exact same thing in Iraq. [/quote]

No DB, I have a problem with wasting tax payer dollars right here in America on people that DON’T NEED it. Just like i have a problem with wasting money on foreigners that DON’t NEED it.

I am not for “bombing people into democracy”. I am for doing what we can to allow others the OPPORTUNITY to be free.

You can make assumptions about me all you want, that doesn’t make them true. I haven’t been against entitlement programs for those that NEED them. I; howver, don’t beleive everyone receiving enitltment benefits in this country NEEDS them.

Do you see where my distinction is?

My justification is I want to help those that can’t help themselve, you many not agree, which is fine. That’s my reason though. [/quote]

I just have some consistency issues with the way you’ve presented your viewpoints in this thread.

  1. If oppression is bad (I won’t fight you on this) then why the fuck are you not sounding the horn like mad to invade a whole bunch of other countries? Again, what makes Iraq so important? Don’t people in other areas of the world deserve the chance to be free? Sounds like we got a whole lot of bombing (I mean opportunity giving) to do.

  2. How do you know who needs and doesn’t need entitlement programs? You have a list of people that actually need them vs. a list that doesn’t? Who determines that exactly? You want to argue there is fraud in entitlement programs I won’t fight you. Why aren’t you pissed off about the massive fraud in defense spending? Or you think the government is magically efficient in that regard and not others?

But you mentioned the fat slob with a dozen kids (sounds like someone you must know), so what happens to those kids? Take them away from mom? Then do what with them? If you’re one of those people who think legitimate welfare queens are out there by the millions driving around lambo’s while recieving the nice government check I think you’re going to be sadly mistaken should you ever pause to let reality set in and not the steady diet of Republican worship lines fuck the government stuff we’ve been fed.

You might also keep in mind that is the side that is laughably arguing against abortion and against contraceptives but has no problem telling a bunch of people to go fuck themselves they are on their own when it comes to education and healthcare. Yes, the side who WANTS more unwanted kids, but is wholeheartedly prepared to let them live a miserable life once on the planet.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:
What I don’t understand is why conservatives by and large fly off the handle about wasteful govt spending when it’s spent here on entitlement programs but not when we spend it on “saving” people in Iraq or anywhere else around the globe through military intervention. We just blew about 2 trillion dollars on a wasted expenditure. It could be upwards of 6 trillion when interest payments are included.

It’s hypocrisy at its finest. “Yay, let’s spread democracy around the world by bombing everybody into it at a huge cost to ourselves, but God forbid we take that money and use it here in America on people who need it.”[/quote]

I don’t think it’s hypocritical, at least in my case, and this is why. For me it’s about choice or a lack there of. Many people in this country have no choice in their life. They are poor, mentally ill, etc…and it’s due to factors beyond their control. I am all for helping them. There are also people that are poor, have 15 kids, are strung out on drugs, etc…that put themselves in the position they are in. I am not for helping them, at least, not until we’ve helped others that did not fuck themselves first. To me geography/sovereignty is irrelevant. The people in Iraq, for example, were being slaughtered by Hussein. They had almost no hope of being free or of a life free of certain death. That is the reality many people face and as a free American citizen I feel we should help the best we can.

I in no way mean we should give away everything we work for or we shouldn’t enjoy the spoils of our success. I merely am suggesting we redirect our efforts to those that TRUELY NEED help. No those too lazy to get a job to support their 17 kids.

I would love to use money on people here in America.