Iran Nuclear Deal

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I read the whole thing. Every boring detail including ship building and shipment strategies.
And to be frank I’d find fewer suckers married to politicians they love and hang on their every lying word, at back yard bbqs.

Edit: and if you have a problem with the article, bring it up with the NY Post.
The “optics” (a word nobody used ever until Obama used it to cover up his insensitivity to playing golf after morning the ISIS beheading of Foley) damn sure do look bad, real bad. That’s not a sandwich from Burger King, that’s just a fact.

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B it is. And from it, your ludicrous claim that Iran would be able to legally pursue nuclear weapons 15 years into the agreement. The NPT’s relevance to Iran and the bomb is foundational for any informed discussion of the issue. I promise it’s short.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/141503.pdf

Since the JCPOA primary source was too dry for you to grasp its salient features, I recommend this wonderful work:

http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/publication/25599/iran_nuclear_deal.html

Read and read again before posting anything related to nuclear proliferation or Iran and the bomb.

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What the heck am I looking at, Bis?

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Dove hunting in Argentina.

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I’m pretty ignorant when it comes to hunting…what are the red and yellow things?

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Spent shotgun shells.

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Thanks, 2busy!

(If Push is reading this right now…he is shaking his head and laughing his ass off…!)

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From the number of birds and the amount of spent ammo, not much “hunting” involved.

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Iran has confirmed that they have executed Shahram Amiri, a nuclear scientist that informed on their nuclear program in 2010.

Sorry, cant post links. Still figuring out this new fangled technology.

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No one believes this. It isn’t true. As he said, you didn’t know what the NPT was even after allegedly reading the JCPOA, which deals explicitly with it and in many ways orbits it as a moon does a planet.

Or I should probably put it this way: maybe you think you’ve read it, because your eyes actually passed over its sentences in the correct order. But nobody has made the mistake of assuming you understand even the very most basic things about the “Iran deal” or anything else relating to world affairs in even the simplest and most direct of ways.

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Exhibit:

This is just appalling horseshit. Talking nuclear proliferation without knowing what the NPT is/does at the most fundamental level is like arguing before the SCOTUS without having heard of the United States Constitution. The point being that you should not have an opinion about any of this, and if you absolutely must, then you should certainly not expose other people to whatever wretched Frankestein’s-monster of a take you manage to hack and cobble together in your addled obliviousness.

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If recall we were discussing the “optics” of $400 million dropped at the time hostages were released. Learn to stay on topic.

"According to The Wall Street Journal, which broke the details of the flight of cash to Tehran in a blockbuster report, US officials “acknowledge that Iranian negotiators on the prisoner exchange said they wanted the cash to show they had gained something tangible.”

And what you do or do not believe I did, I do not give a shit. I know what I did. I have no need to prove it to you by agreeing with your take on the deal.

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I guess that’s what it sounds like when the doves cry…BOOM. The important question is how’d they taste.

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“In exchange for not making a weapon for 15 years, they will have the ability to legally pursue just that after the agreement expires”

^Isn’t “your take on the deal”. It’s objective and utter horseshit and is indicative of the veracity of my A and B options above. Either you didn’t read it and are talking out of your ass, or you did read it and nonetheless continue to talk out of your ass. In any event, anyone that has actually taken the time and effort to be a student of the subject is forced to wade through knee deep shit.

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Ok… If YOU read the agreement please explain how they won’t be able to pursue nuclear weapons after the agreement expires? No amount of pleading, deals, or money stopped North Korea or Pakistan from gaining nuclear arms, how or why do you think Iran would be any different than these 2 nations? Why on earth would anyone be so naive to believe Iran is pursuing nuclear ambitions for solely peaceful purposes? They are literally surrounded by nuclear armed nations, wouldn’t you expect them to be a little nervous and want to be equal to these other nations for security sake?

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Well gee, I don’t know I would have to go back and look at what I said way back when. If I remember correctly the much of the agreement with regards to inspection and verification ends in 15 years. But I would have to go back and look at the context of the discussion at the time,which would of course take me a lot of time and research, which I am not going to do to satisfy your ego lust and strong desire to change the subject.
And again, if you choose not to believe me then don’t. It matters not to me. You are free to talk to me, or not. If you think I am a liar, or too stupid to breath, I wouldn’t know why you would want to converse with me.
I don’t need T-nation forums to determine myself worth. I tend to hold unpopular opinions. This is a place where I can express them and you can like them or not. Not a thing in my life will change depending on your opinion of me. I come here to discuss. Others, with a low self worth, come to tear other people down, as if it makes a hill of beans difference. Don’t be that person.
All I do know, is I don’t have the time or the patience to reach into the past, find something someone may have said and come and shove it in their face many, many, many months later, in hopes of a ‘Gotcha!’ moment. You’ve tried this before and it backfired on you, big time. But I am not going to play silly games. If you want to behave like a middle school girl and dig up old grudges, then go do so with a middle school girl. They love that shit…

I am willing to talk to you like an adult, if you are willing to behave like one. Just knock off the one-upmanship. What’s it going to get you, a thumbs-up? Who cares.

NOW…
What do you know the chartering of a private jet to collect $400 million in foreign currency, haphazardly ordered and in a frenzied manner to secure the monies and deliver them to Iran in the middle of the night, in secret?

Why were the hostages told, they (the Iranians) were waiting on another plane to land?

Why was it (presumably) untraceable money, in cash delivered on pallets?

How does that, not look nefarious?

I am not disputing the fact that we agreed to give them $1.7 billion, nor am I disputing that the $400 million was part of that monies, even though that was for the Shah and not the current regime. I am questioning the timing and why it required “something tangible” for the Iranians to release hostages they should never had?

It makes it scary for any American to travel there, even if they have legit business, when it looks like anyone can be taken as a chess piece for Iran’s dangerous games…

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It’s a trick question designed for a personal attack against me. Don’t waste your time. The answer is on the interwebs.
Obama says no, Netanyahu says yes. Pick your side.

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[quote=“Gkhan, post:457, topic:210298, full:true”]
Ok… If YOU read the agreement please explain how they won’t be able to pursue nuclear weapons after the agreement expires? [/quote]

The quotation, excerpted verbatim above, alleged that Iran would be legally permitted to pursue nuclear weapons in fifteen years. Does that help? Or do you really not have a handle on this most fundamental feature of world affairs in the nuclear age?

No one believes this. The whole agreement is predicated on the assumption that Iran wants a bomb. Why else do you think it happened at all? Do you think we made them pour a truckload of cement into the core of the Arak heavy-water reactor because we fuckin think they were going to use it to run refrigerators and light bulbs? Why do you think a ship left Iran last Christmas (before they got anything on implementation day) with 25,000 lbs of Uranium? Because we all assumed they were planning on using it for cookouts?

You can be totally against the deal on substance if you wish (in which case go ahead and make an argument, it would be refreshing), but Jesus has this particular topic shown just how illiterate so many Americans are outside of domestic politics.

Edited cellphone typos.

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SMH already did that in a post above:

usmccds423 wrote:
I’m still wondering what we got out of this deal?

pat wrote:
Nothing. Not a damn thing. We got a promise that they will not try to make a bomb for 15 years. The amount of shit Iran gets it astronomical. This is a complete boon for them. In exchange for not making a weapon for 15 years, they will have the ability to legally pursue just that after the agreement expires.

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