Fucking kidding me with this shit? You had politicians that went nuts over this type of thing. You didn’t get to put out music like that. You didn’t have the freedom you have today.
Is your argument that things were better when politicians lost their mind that an artist used the f word or talked about drugs?
Take a look at this link from a one second google. What do you need to dismiss these idiotic ideas?
Ummm, heroin, acid, weed, cocaine, alcohol have all been sung about, had songs named after and have been glamorized by the best and most popular musicians since the 60s. And these aren’t obscure songs.
Purple Haze, jimi hendrix
Cocaine, Eric Clapton
Heroin, the velvet underground
To name a quick three songs.
What’s nuts for me is that he still can’t realize that as that “bad” music in increased crime and drug use went down. The exact opposite effect of what he says is an issue. I’m at the point now where I’m pretty sure he’s just convinced himself of a few things and evidence to the contrary doesn’t have a chance of sinking in
So making songs promoting the use and sale of drugs is a good thing in your mind?
They don’t use so much prescription opioids because now they are hard to get and they changed they pills so they turn to gel if you crush them and get them wet so they can’t be sniffed or injected. Now in Ottawa you have high school kids overdosing on fentanyl.
"Chloe Kotval, 14, was the third Kanata teenager to die of a drug overdose in the past eight weeks
‘It’s getting worse. The 14- and 15-year-olds are starting.’
But yeah, drug use is no big deal anymore.
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The first two are from the 70’s, which I think we can all agree is time when drug use became more common than before and crime increased as well. But also these were a few odd songs here and there, not half of an entire musical genre.
Sex, DRUGS, and Rock n roll.
Literally half an entire music genre.
Remember when they said that buying drugs was essentially funding terrorism?
More like a third at most.
For comparison, how many rock songs were there before the 90’s (when rap started promoting drugs) that were about drugs?
No it’s something that doesn’t matter on the whole. As violent imagery and drug use went up crime and drug use went down. I’m going to say it doesn’t have an effect like all the major studies done on it say. And also like logic would say knowing that fact. I’m sure you’ll ignore studies and dismiss the fact that they have actually had an inverse relationship because by god people have to be doing more crime because listen to that there rap music!
Not a single person has once said this. How many times are you going to invent these things? It’s like if I said life expectancy was up you’d reply with “then how come my neighbors 6 year old died of cancer.”
Ok so all the rap music promoting blunts and gold grills had no effect either and people in Ottawa just spontaneously began rolling weed in cigars and getting gold grills. Makes sense.
I wonder how murder and drug use occurred before rap.
Purple Haze and Heroin are from 67. Cocaine is from 75.
This makes no sense. Eminem, grand theft auto, South Park. Crime and drugs have to be much worse I won’t accept anything that questions it. Save your studies and statistics I saw people wearing a OMG they killed Kenny shirt 13 years ago! I will not believe these so called numbers when my heart tells me Jay Z is still making music.
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11-630-x/11-630-x2015001-eng.htm
Not what I saw when I looked it up, but OK.
Maybe it’s because I was never into rock and roll that I don’t know about this, but how much rock music was actually promoting drugs? Serious question. Seems to me like the “sex drugs rock & roll” thing was more just the lifestyle.
Maybe rap was originally meant to promote this stuff to black people before becoming more popular.
Why don’t you actually respond instead of talking nonsense? Your argument is that music has no effect on crime and drugs, I’m giving examples of things that were made popular by music. And these are things that the average person would never think of doing if it was not promoted to them.
Do you honkies in Kansas smoke Phillie blunts and rock gold grills?
The thing you are quoting is old, data up to 2013. I linked stuff earlier shows that murder and gun violence has been increasing for several years.
You’re the dude spouting off about how many more songs lately mention the stuff than in the 1980’s yet crime and drug use dropped as this stuff became more prevalent.
If it has an effect it’s a minor one at best. How could you possibly conclude otherwise? This is like the 15th time you’ve posted about these giant influences and you ignore all data about it. And then you typically just make up positions for people.
Yea. NWA was actually edgy. The whole “ftp” is for gutless losers. Not edgy or dangerous at all and really just a cliche.
They aren’t static things that won’t rise and fall.
So if these horrible things increased in the 90’s and 2000’s why didn’t crime? If even with a recent rise it’s still far lower than all time highs when this stuff wasn’t as prevalent.
You’re arguing purely through emotion. Let logic have a chance.
We’re just running around in circles, I say we drop this argument.
Last thing I have to say:
Yes, it’s not a massive effect, but it’s still an effect. How many people have to die, go to jail, or get hooked on drugs before it’s a concern? It’s not good. Now they talk about how the media is promoting unhealthy body images to girls, is that negligible as well?
Media and popular culture are mostly toxic influences as far as I’m concerned.