Yes…Persian and Arab women (as a whole) have a natural beauty about them.
Even when wearing scarves and long dresses, it seems to still shine through.
Mufasa
[quote]Sifu wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Sifu wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Just out of curiosity how long did you serve in the military Irish?
I didn’t. Never said that I have.
So then your concern about military service is just shit talking in order to stifle debate.
I had no concern about military service. I didn’t bring it up, some other douchebag did. All I said was that I don’t give two shits about who was in the military and who wasn’t, because it has no bearing on whether or not your opinion on politics makes any sense.
Thanks for giving me a laugh. For a minute there you had me questioning my memory so I went back to page one where you wrote this.
“Yea yea. I love warmongers who never served themselves. So easy to send others while you sit back with your inhaler, eh?”
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And I’m not the one calling for war. Many that gain a severe aversion to laying lives on the line unless it’s really, really worth it.
They’re not internet warriors who sit back and watch as others go off, and then propose other countries to invade.
You take a shot to the head this week or does your reading comprehension just suck?
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
Yes…Persian and Arab women (as a whole) have a natural beauty about them.
Even when wearing scarves and long dresses, it seems to still shine through.
Mufasa
Not to disagree with one so learned as you, my friend, but I am half Arab, and lived with an Iranian woman (and socialized with that community) for 8 years, and I have to say that Arab women are hardly in the same league as Persians. Their “New Years” parties, where all would gather in their finest outfits, were truly jaw-drop inspiring.
Personality is another issue altogether ;-)[/quote]
LOL!
Thanks for the insights, Chushin!
I was just caught “off guard” when they would show these shots of young female protestors in Iran!
Mufasa
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Chushin wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
I don’t like Obama’s wait and see attitude with this, either. I understand that if he really gets into it, he could burn a shitload of bridges if nothing were to change in Iran, but I still would like to see more aggression on this. With that country teetering as it is, I think Obama could get involved and reaaaallllyyy push them.
Or give the conservatives exactly the excuse they want to blame this all on “foreign intervention” and appeal to a very real sense of Iranian nationalism.
I understand that, but it would it really kill him (and believe me, I’m cringing as I type this) to do something like Reagan did? To make a strong appeal, a real effort, into at least letting these people know that we support them?
I’m not, and never have been, supportive of wars to “spread democracy”- I am a firm believer that if democracy and freedom are so great, people will steal the idea from you and do it themselves, and the idea of fighting to spread democracy is really a great coverup for other aims. But fuck me, they’re doing it themselves, and we’re sitting here.
And as an aside, folks- I know you all hate Obama, but let’s not forget who told the Kurds to go rise up against Saddam and then let them hang out to dry. As I recall, George I fucked that one up. [/quote]
Agreed on all counts. We’re sitting here with our thumbs up our asses. Do you remember one of the big causes of the current clusterfuck in Afghanistan? It was after the Soviets pulled out–we promised we would aid the people over there in building up…and then basically left for home through the back door. We left an entire generation there who’d known nothing but warfare. No skills and no education, and no infrastructure. Sure there were many more variables, but it comes down to the fact that every time we sit with our thumbs up our asses things get worse. We will let genuine opportunities to take a side with democracy in other nations—in genuine democratic (nonviolent) fashion—and completely whiff. Then we’ll get involved in peacekeeping missions and things of that sort…
If this movement fails in Tehran, I foresee a 20-30 year long gap, if not twice that long, before the disillusionment wears off of the middle class and educated crowd again. We need to do all we can to make sure they get the support they need politically. And if it dies then, well at least they’ll know we were on their side instead of smoking crack. The knowledge that we were politically pressuring the Ahmedinejad faction MIGHT help decrease that disillusionment over a failed movement…and that would help accelerate a re-build of reformist pressure. And THAT would help our chances in the future.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Sifu wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Sifu wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Just out of curiosity how long did you serve in the military Irish?
I didn’t. Never said that I have.
So then your concern about military service is just shit talking in order to stifle debate.
I had no concern about military service. I didn’t bring it up, some other douchebag did. All I said was that I don’t give two shits about who was in the military and who wasn’t, because it has no bearing on whether or not your opinion on politics makes any sense.
Thanks for giving me a laugh. For a minute there you had me questioning my memory so I went back to page one where you wrote this.
“Yea yea. I love warmongers who never served themselves. So easy to send others while you sit back with your inhaler, eh?”
And I’m not the one calling for war. Many that gain a severe aversion to laying lives on the line unless it’s really, really worth it.
They’re not internet warriors who sit back and watch as others go off, and then propose other countries to invade.
You take a shot to the head this week or does your reading comprehension just suck?[/quote]
No I didn’t take a shot to the head. My reading comprehension is quite good. What sucks is your use of cheap unimaginative rhetorical tactics.
The Iranian nuclear weapons program is a theat to the safety of everyone not just the military. I don’t know if you realize it but nuclear weapons are deadliest when used against big cities full of civilians. The same civiliams who you feel shouldn’t have any say in the matter.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
As predicted:
[i]Iran’s leadership on Wednesday accused the United States of instigating political unrest after last week’s disputed election that returned President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to power amid accusations of vote fraud by his reformist rival.
Iranian officials summoned the Swiss ambassador â?? who represents U.S. interests in Iran in the absence of formal diplomatic ties between Washington and Tehran â?? to complain about “intolerable” meddling by the United States in Iran’s internal affairs, the country’s state television reported.[/i]
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Don’t you just love the hypocracy of the Iranians, just think about how their proxy Hezballah has meddled in Lebannon.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
The Iranian nuclear weapons program is a theat to the safety of everyone not just the military. I don’t know if you realize it but nuclear weapons are deadliest when used against big cities full of civilians. The same civiliams who you feel shouldn’t have any say in the matter.
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And who lives near big cities full of civilians- me, or dumbfuck HH living in Pennsyltucky Ohio?
Sorry motherfucker, but if they launch a bomb, it’s coming MY way before it comes to any of you- I live and work in the shadows of NYC, the most important city on the continent. Spare me.
And HH is a delusional raving lunatic, so no, he shouldn’t have a say in the matter any more than the babbling drunks in Bowery should. Which is none.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Sifu wrote:
The Iranian nuclear weapons program is a theat to the safety of everyone not just the military. I don’t know if you realize it but nuclear weapons are deadliest when used against big cities full of civilians. The same civiliams who you feel shouldn’t have any say in the matter.
And who lives near big cities full of civilians- me, or dumbfuck HH living in Pennsyltucky Ohio?
Sorry motherfucker, but if they launch a bomb, it’s coming MY way before it comes to any of you- I live and work in the shadows of NYC, the most important city on the continent. Spare me.
And HH is a delusional raving lunatic, so no, he shouldn’t have a say in the matter any more than the babbling drunks in Bowery should. Which is none.[/quote]
Thy froth runneth over there, Irish! Wow!
Lunatic that I am, I can easily recognize another lunatic or lunatics. Since we lunatics are unpredictable, letting lunatics have nukes and bio weapons is…well…lunacy. You’re for peace at any price and are willing to vote for His Teleprompterness to negotiate with lunatics.
What happens when they nuke your beloved Wrigley Park neighborhood in Paterson?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Sifu wrote:
The Iranian nuclear weapons program is a theat to the safety of everyone not just the military. I don’t know if you realize it but nuclear weapons are deadliest when used against big cities full of civilians. The same civiliams who you feel shouldn’t have any say in the matter.
And who lives near big cities full of civilians- me, or dumbfuck HH living in Pennsyltucky Ohio?
Sorry motherfucker, but if they launch a bomb, it’s coming MY way before it comes to any of you- I live and work in the shadows of NYC, the most important city on the continent. Spare me.
And HH is a delusional raving lunatic, so no, he shouldn’t have a say in the matter any more than the babbling drunks in Bowery should. Which is none.[/quote]
Just because New York is a prime target it isn’t the only one and the Iranians could have enough fissile material material for several bombs by the end of the year.
Despite all of the rhetoric about diplomacy that the democrats were spewing during the presidential campaign the fact of the matter is there has been years of diplomacy on this issue. For years the diplomacy has gone nowhere while the Iranian nuclear program has been progressing.
More of the same failed policy is not the answer.
I thought this was an interesting quote “In Iran they riot for freedom, here we Riot when the LA Lakers win.” I thought it was also interesting to add that 2/3 of Iran’s population is under 30, I wish young people here would take an interest in the people running the country. Video discussing the issue:
Good for them. They’re keeping up the fight.
Iran security forces use tear gas, clubs on protesters, witnesses say
TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) – The main opposition candidate in Iran, Mir Hossein Moussavi, was said to be ready for “martyrdom” Saturday as thousands of protesters clashed with police in protests that defied warnings from Iran’s supreme leaders.
Security forces made “a very large show of force” in midtown and southeastern Tehran, using tear gas and clubs to beat back protesters as clashes erupted during the unrest.
This comes as demonstrators emerged on city streets to protest last week’s elections in defiance of supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s Friday pronouncement that protests must end.
Meanwhile, the Facebook page of Iran’s top opposition leader quoted the politician Saturday as saying he is preparing to die.
Moussavi, who has led a protest against the government for the June 12 election, said he is preparing himself for “martyrdom.”
The authenticity of the message could not immediately be established.
In Tehran, police fired guns in the air, and Iran’s Press TV also reported the use of water cannons to disperse protesters. Watch police and protesters clash Saturday »
Uniformed and plainclothes police were deployed around Revolution Square, the site of a major planned demonstration, and traffic was being turned away on a major thoroughfare leading to the square, a witness said.
The forces confronted demonstrators who tried to avoid the thoroughfare and take side streets toward the square. Clashes erupted as forces used clubs to beat back protesters.
Periodically, groups of armed police would fire rifles into the air to disperse protesters along the side streets near Revolution Square. Watch an Iranian studies professor discuss protest tactics »
Cell phone service was brought down after 5:30 p.m. in the area, witnesses said.
Police told protesters they had no permit to protest.
Police also said Saturday that 400 security forces had been injured during the week’s heavy demonstrations, and that public property had been damaged, Press TV reported.
Three camouflaged men with shields were seen pushing a man in the opposite direction. The number of people on the streets and the traffic appears less than normal, but daily life is going on.
A few thousand people who attempted to enter the site of a major planned demonstration in Tehran were blocked by heavily armed police, a witness said.
Another witness said he was walking through a central square when he saw about 200 men with the Basiji militia, a security force that takes orders from the Iranian government. With some wearing government-issued helmets and shields, their presence was a hint of an ominous security presence.
Elsewhere, another witness said hundreds of protesters were walking a mile from Revolution Square when some militia men dropped two tear gas canisters among the crowd to apparently dissuade them from gathering.
Some of the crowd turned back to regroup.
Armed police were seen in two of the Tehran squares where major demonstrations were to be held Saturday, a journalist there said.
Two rallies had been scheduled to begin about 4 p.m. (7:30 a.m. ET) Saturday to protest a disputed presidential election, despite stern admonishments from Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who on Friday warned that protest organizers would be held responsible if the demonstrations led to bloodshed.
Khamenei also declared the election a “definitive victory” for President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and rejected allegations of vote-rigging . Watch Khamenei deny allegations of vote-rigging »
Two people were killed and eight people were injured in a blast at the mausoleum of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in southern Tehran, Press TV reported .
One of the dead was the attacker, the station said.
Khomeini was the father of the Islamic Revolution that swept the shah of Iran from power in 1979. He is regarded as the founder of the Islamic Republic of Iran. CNN could not independently confirm reports of a blast or who or what may have caused it. News coverage in Iran has been limited by government restrictions on international journalists.
One scheduled rally was sponsored by supporters of Moussavi and Mehdi Karrubi, another of the three candidates who ran against Ahmadinejad in elections June 12. iReport.com: Share images from Iran
“Often these protests can take on a life of their own, and if the leaders call off the protest, that does not mean the people will not come out on the streets and there will not be a resulting crackdown,” said Reva Bhalla, an analyst with Stratfor, a global intelligence firm.
Many who said they planned to attend the rallies wrote to one another on the social networking site Twitter early Saturday. Some wondered whether there would be violence at the protests.
“Let the Qu’ran shield you. It’s a mortal sin to kill anyone holding the Qu’ran. BRING your Qu’ran to protest!!!” one person wrote on Twitter. “We will try 2 keep this rally peaceful/silent as usual at every cost. Cant give them excuse 2 use force. Hope they wont,” another said.
CNN is not using the posters’ names for safety reasons. Both said they were in Iran, but CNN could not verify that.
The supreme leader called on those who don’t believe the election results to use legal avenues, such as requesting a recounting of ballots in their presence.
Meanwhile, the Iranian government said Saturday it was ready to randomly recount up to 10 percent of “ballot boxes.”
The Guardian Council, which supervises the country’s elections, invited three candidates – Moussavi, Karrubi and Mohsen Rezaie – to its meeting Saturday, according to the state-run Islamic Republic News Agency.
Two of them, Moussavi and Karrubi, failed to show up. After Khamenei’s speech Saturday, Amnesty International said his message “indicates the authorities’ readiness to launch violent crackdowns if people continue to protest, which may cause a widespread loss of life.”
A top U.N. human rights official also said she was concerned about reports of excessive force and arrests at the protests. “The legal basis of the arrests that have been taking place, especially those of human rights defenders and political activists, is not clear,” said Navi Pillay, high commissioner for human rights.
The government has maintained that the post-election death toll stands at seven. Amnesty International said on Friday that reports suggest up to 15 people have died.
An activist told CNN that the death toll had climbed to 32, with 12 of those victims in Tehran. Because of the Iranian government’s restrictions on news gathering, CNN could not independently verify the reports
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Can I just say that there are some STUNNING (yeah, hot!) young women in Iran?
(Just a political observation!)
Mufasa[/quote]
Mufasa, I haven’t been on the forums recently, but I wanted to respond to the important point you made above.
YES, they are quite often STUNNING and also very sensual.
Never mind all that.
These people are incredibly brave. I think it’s a shame that we’re not doing anything to help them.
(Actually, I’d be surprised if we didn’t have some kind of covert presence.)
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Two things.
On the Israelis “waiting”:
You can be assured that precise coordinates of every Iranian nuclear facility above ground…and every air and water intake of every underground facility has been mapped and plotted. They are also most likely practicing bombing runs; and most likely the Mossad/Israeli Special Forces have contingencies for taking out the intakes to the underground facilities…exercising almost every contingency possible.
As SIFU said; they won’t; and CAN’T “wait” for Iranian posturing.
On The Iranian People:
I personally think that they have been inspiring.
Mufasa[/quote]
Agreed,
This is what happens when people get sick and tired of all the bullshit. I also find it inspiring, people not just talking anymore, but taking to the streets and letting their government know that they will not go quietly into the night.
They also need to see this through, they need to finish this. There is no turning back now, they have to get control of the government, military, and police forces.
This was one beautiful lass, but the state troopers don’t seem to care:
(THE VID DOCUMENTS STATE VIOLENCE IN IT’S BLUNT FORM, NOT FOR THE FEINT OF HEART!)
[quote]AlisaV wrote:
Never mind all that.
These people are incredibly brave. I think it’s a shame that we’re not doing anything to help them.
(Actually, I’d be surprised if we didn’t have some kind of covert presence.)[/quote]
Agreed. But I don’t think we have any presence there at all, save outside news coming in. That’s why I want Obama to do his impression of the “tear down this wall” speech. Take a stand.
[quote]AlisaV wrote:
Never mind all that.
These people are incredibly brave. I think it’s a shame that we’re not doing anything to help them.
(Actually, I’d be surprised if we didn’t have some kind of covert presence.) [/quote]
Yes, that’s bravery. But any open effort to support one side over the other (especially by the US or Britain) will do more harm than good. You may have a short memory concerning the West’s involvement in the area, but others who have to live with the consequences of imperialism don’t forget so easily.
Among other news that flew under the radar (back in Obama-fever), was the removal of the MEK from the EU’s “terrorist” list.
They have more involvement in the current state of affairs than you might think.
In more recent developments, 10 people were reported dead by Iranian state media.
The Islamic Republic is being threatened. Seriously. And relatively, the government’s response is fairly restrained. Should the same thing happen in Egypt, Tunisia or any other of the so-called “moderate” Arab countries, there would have been mustard instead of tear gas.
Regardless of the outcome, the Iranian people will not give up their inalienable right to enrich uranium. This fight is about their freedoms.
Fairly restrained? I’m not sure of that.
You speak as if a regime could get away with anything.
That is clearly not the case.
In truth, the prime weapon is fear. If the masses pour out on the streets, there isn’t much that can hold them back except the army.
But when tanks roll, it’s a different game.