Take advantage of the freedoms offered by this country, and spit on it at the same time.
Shouldn’t you be in NYC chanting into a mic right now?[/quote]
What should I say about this? Let’s bomb Iran!!
Contrary to the establishment’s beliefs, the attempt on the life of a head of state does not occur because another government just decided it had nothing better to do.
And spelling “Amerika” with a “k” is a very accurate depiction of the government and the direction it is heading. Sorry if that upsets your delicate sensibilities.
[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
I call BS, this is jsut a pretense for war. Another Lusitania, Tonkin etcetera.[/quote]
A war with Iran would consolidate a second term for Obama, no doubt.
Everything else would immediately be ignored by the media.
QE-infinity, rationing, price and wage controls, massively expanded “security” measures and imprisonment of journalists/businessmen, all coming down the line afterwords.[/quote]
Yup.
Let me ask you all this. Pull your heads out of your asses for just one second…
Why the hell would Iran want to assassinate the Saudi ambassador? Or bomb the Israeli embassy?
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The saudis and Iranians hate each other. Or at least their governments do.[/quote]
It means nothing. Killing the Saudi ambassador is petty, and would result in the end of Iran. They already struggle to stay ‘independent’ (rogue) while still being a part of the world in trade and commerce. They’d have zero benefit except for inner government bragging rights to killing a Saudi ambassador.
The Iranians are not dumb, why would they give the Saudis or Israelis a moral high ground and a mandate to use force? The Iranians understand that if the West turns against them militarilty, they will fall. They are not suicidal.
Also the fact that they didn’t use their existing Hezbollah-Beltran contacts doesn’t make any sense either. This is a Tonkin set up, plain and simple.
@ Chushin- Iran has been focused on the acquisition of nuclear power alongside a vast program at economic development. They have begun to export cars, appliances and other technologies all through hte middle income world. They produce a pretty good car called the Samaand that is sold in South America for example.
Baiting three countries into attacking them would result in their regime’s potential collapse or at least major economic setbacks. I do not think it would ‘solidify’ support as you beleive and I think even they know it is an endeavor with far more peril than profit.
Your argument is predicated on the depiction of Iran as a virulent antipathic state whose sole purpose is to kill Jews and Americans. Unfortunately, this is not the case. Need I remind you, it was the USA who started shyt with Iran first and has the blood of millions of their people on its hands? Or that Iran has Jewish senators? It is more plausible the USA and its Israel lobby are trying to stack the moral legos to enable an Iranian war. You all have to look to who gains from this, and it appears the Israelis and the Saudis are the only ones who do.
If Iran acted far more like North Korea, whose sole endeavor is military empowerment and funding without scruples. Then yes it’d seem more plausible. However, as it stands their Gov’ts most fundamental policies stand in stark contrast to that.
Resorting to petty assasinations and terrorism without any marginal benefit is not consistent with their attacks of the past nor with their policies in general.
Even if the accusations were true, why would they do it Floridian amateur night style, and not just go through the established Hezbollah-Cartel axis that they Iran warhawks have grumbled about for the past 20 years?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Would have had much to say if your fellow citizens were killed in a terrorist action backed by Iran? And, do yourself a favor, drop the K. Amerikans? Seriously, it makes you into a caricature.
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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Would have had much to say if your fellow citizens were killed in a terrorist action backed by Iran? And, do yourself a favor, drop the K. Amerikans? Seriously, it makes you into a caricature.
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Fixed…
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Would have had much to say if your fellow citizens were killed in a terrorist action backed by the US? And, do yourself a favor, drop the hypocrisy? Seriously, it makes you into a caricature.
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Had they killed 100 US citizens in their attempt at bombing this Saudi, what would be your response?
It appears that some of you have not been paying attention to what is going on in the middle east. The Saudi’s and Iranians have a lot going on between them right now. The Saudi’s have troops in Bahrain putting down the uprising there that the Iranians are supporting. There is the Shiite unrest in one of Saudi Arabia’s most important oil producing regions that the Iranians have been fomenting. The Saudi’s have also paid the Pakistani’s (who are Sunnis like the Saudi’s) to allow them the use of two nuclear weapons if they need them.
The Israelis have been killing people working on Iran’s nuclear program and they are most likely the ones who created the Stuxnet virus which has disabled much of the Iranian nuclear program.
So the Iranians have good reason to want to lash out at both of them. It is going to be interesting to see what comes of this.
Take advantage of the freedoms offered by this country, and spit on it at the same time.
Shouldn’t you be in NYC chanting into a mic right now?[/quote]
What should I say about this? Let’s bomb Iran!!
Contrary to the establishment’s beliefs, the attempt on the life of a head of state does not occur because another government just decided it had nothing better to do.
And spelling “Amerika” with a “k” is a very accurate depiction of the government and the direction it is heading. Sorry if that upsets your delicate sensibilities. [/quote]
Yawn…I was not speaking to the Iranian’s trying to stir the shit pot up.
I was referring to your disrespectful spelling of the name of our country…you may hate America, that’s your right…but show a titch of respect to the country that allows you to piss all over it’s name.
The Israelis have been killing people working on Iran’s nuclear program and they are most likely the ones who created the Stuxnet virus which has disabled much of the Iranian nuclear program.
So the Iranians have good reason to want to lash out at both of them. It is going to be interesting to see what comes of this.
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No they don’t. If you are threatening to beat me to death, what good does it do for me to key your car? There is benefit for Iran doing these things, they would do nothing but give the Israelis and Saudis the moral highpoint to draw more global support from. What have you been smoking?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Dustin wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Big news, folks.
Yeah, it sucks that Amerika no longer has a monopoly on this sort of thing.
I don’t draw a moral equivalent between a nation that is willing to execute religious apostates and this country. Do you have anything to say about Iran’s actions?
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I don’t have much to say about Iran’s actions. They have thugs running the place, just as we do here in the U.S, they just happened to be worse.
I do think it is comical for Amerikans to try and hold Iran to a standard we (the government) can’t even uphold ourselves. A cursory knowledge of Amerikan involvement in Iranian affairs over the last 60 years or so would show that Iran has every right to hate us and/or the government.
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Would have had much to say if your fellow citizens were killed in a terrorist action backed by Iran? And, do yourself a favor, drop the K. Amerikans? Seriously, it makes you into a caricature.
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Nah, I’ll keep the “k” in Amerika. Much more fitting anyway.
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Wow…that pretty much sums you right up.
Take advantage of the freedoms offered by this country, and spit on it at the same time.
Shouldn’t you be in NYC chanting into a mic right now?[/quote]
There are no freedoms “offered” by this country. You are free by default and incremental less free with more government. The U.S. Constitution has been the best in history of chaining the centralization of power that stifles those freedoms. Unfortunately, this union is only MORE perfect, not infallible and is rapidly approaching an end.[/quote]
Holy Jeebus…are you a host of late night AM radio?
Rapidly approaching an end? Times are not the best right now, but if you can show me a better option that living in the U.S…I would love to see it.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Dustin wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Big news, folks.
Yeah, it sucks that Amerika no longer has a monopoly on this sort of thing.
I don’t draw a moral equivalent between a nation that is willing to execute religious apostates and this country. Do you have anything to say about Iran’s actions?
[/quote]
I don’t have much to say about Iran’s actions. They have thugs running the place, just as we do here in the U.S, they just happened to be worse.
I do think it is comical for Amerikans to try and hold Iran to a standard we (the government) can’t even uphold ourselves. A cursory knowledge of Amerikan involvement in Iranian affairs over the last 60 years or so would show that Iran has every right to hate us and/or the government.
[/quote]
Would have had much to say if your fellow citizens were killed in a terrorist action backed by Iran? And, do yourself a favor, drop the K. Amerikans? Seriously, it makes you into a caricature.
[/quote]
Nah, I’ll keep the “k” in Amerika. Much more fitting anyway.
[/quote]
Wow…that pretty much sums you right up.
Take advantage of the freedoms offered by this country, and spit on it at the same time.
Shouldn’t you be in NYC chanting into a mic right now?[/quote]
There are no freedoms “offered” by this country. You are free by default and incremental less free with more government. The U.S. Constitution has been the best in history of chaining the centralization of power that stifles those freedoms. Unfortunately, this union is only MORE perfect, not infallible and is rapidly approaching an end.[/quote]
Holy Jeebus…are you a host of late night AM radio?
Rapidly approaching an end? Times are not the best right now, but if you can show me a better option that living in the U.S…I would love to see it.[/quote]
No, I’m an American who thinks the U.S. was special because of the unprecedented level of personal and economic freedom it’s residents enjoyed over a short period of time.
That experiment in liberty through limited goverment is rapidly coming to an end whether or not the formal sovereignty of the U.S. does.
Better option from what perspective?
If you are on fixed income, then you have no better options. You’ve got no choice but to hope you die before your benefits are eroded away by cuts(less likely) or inflation(more likely) or both.
If you are an employer, then just about anywhere in China, SE Asia, Japan, Canada, Australia are all better option to move your business.
If you are an employee, then it depends on whether you have the savings and will to start over in Asia/Canada/Australia and whether you can find work sponsors there.
If you are a student, then the same thing applies to continuing your education if you can get in to a school elsewhere(and start a career there).
As for me…
I’m a graduate student living semi-permanently in Japan and also operate a small business. I’ll be continuing my schooling in Japan while I wait for permanent residency status.
Rapidly approaching an end? Times are not the best right now, but if you can show me a better option that living in the U.S…I would love to see it.[/quote]
I was born in 1960 and I have been hearing this my entire life, “the end is near.” Maybe “they” are right this time but the “broken record” effect gets old. Yawn
(Ha! Using the term “broken record” probably marks me as old. It probably means nothing to anyone born after 1980)
I heard it in the 60’s when the civil rights movement, the Vietnam War and the illicit drug problems were paramount.
I heard it in the 70’s when disco was king and the US was “tired”, a “malaise” as Jimmy Carter put it, of the turbulent 60s and early 70’s.
I heard it (just a little) in the 80’s with the AIDS scare. “Just a little” because the economy started to boom again under Reagan.
And I’ve heard it in the 90’s and 21st century because of terrorism.
Like I said, maybe this time is IT!
I doubt it.[/quote]
You know that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was a false flag, right?
You know the U.S. defaulted on it’s debts in 1971, right?
You know that(despite being well intentioned) Reagan actually made a mistake with supply-side economics because deficit spending is a heavier burden on business than direct taxation?
You could argue that the level of economic freedom from government is zero at this point because property is de facto owned entirely by the Federal government. All that remains is the pretense of private property as a formality in the remaining productive areas. However, when the FED, Congress, and president have sufficiently drained that productivity, any pretense of private ownership will fall away.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Dustin wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Big news, folks.
Yeah, it sucks that Amerika no longer has a monopoly on this sort of thing.
I don’t draw a moral equivalent between a nation that is willing to execute religious apostates and this country. Do you have anything to say about Iran’s actions?
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I don’t have much to say about Iran’s actions. They have thugs running the place, just as we do here in the U.S, they just happened to be worse.
I do think it is comical for Amerikans to try and hold Iran to a standard we (the government) can’t even uphold ourselves. A cursory knowledge of Amerikan involvement in Iranian affairs over the last 60 years or so would show that Iran has every right to hate us and/or the government.
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Would have had much to say if your fellow citizens were killed in a terrorist action backed by Iran? And, do yourself a favor, drop the K. Amerikans? Seriously, it makes you into a caricature.
[/quote]
Nah, I’ll keep the “k” in Amerika. Much more fitting anyway.
[/quote]
Wow…that pretty much sums you right up.
Take advantage of the freedoms offered by this country, and spit on it at the same time.
Shouldn’t you be in NYC chanting into a mic right now?[/quote]
There are no freedoms “offered” by this country. You are free by default and incremental less free with more government. The U.S. Constitution has been the best in history of chaining the centralization of power that stifles those freedoms. Unfortunately, this union is only MORE perfect, not infallible and is rapidly approaching an end.[/quote]
Holy Jeebus…are you a host of late night AM radio?
Rapidly approaching an end? Times are not the best right now, but if you can show me a better option that living in the U.S…I would love to see it.[/quote]
No, I’m an American who thinks the U.S. was special because of the unprecedented level of personal and economic freedom it’s residents enjoyed over a short period of time.
That experiment in liberty through limited goverment is rapidly coming to an end whether or not the formal sovereignty of the U.S. does.
Better option from what perspective?
If you are on fixed income, then you have no better options. You’ve got no choice but to hope you die before your benefits are eroded away by cuts(less likely) or inflation(more likely) or both.
If you are an employer, then just about anywhere in China, SE Asia, Japan, Canada, Australia are all better option to move your business.
If you are an employee, then it depends on whether you have the savings and will to start over in Asia/Canada/Australia and whether you can find work sponsors there.
If you are a student, then the same thing applies to continuing your education if you can get in to a school elsewhere(and start a career there).
As for me…
I’m a graduate student living semi-permanently in Japan and also operate a small business. I’ll be continuing my schooling in Japan while I wait for permanent residency status.
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A student…I should have guessed. By all means, get your degree in Japan…live in Japan.
But to lecture as if you have one CLUE of the real world, from behind your rose colored student glasses is rich broseph.
To each his own, but to read doom and destitution into everything you see…is just the cowards way out.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Dustin wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Big news, folks.
Yeah, it sucks that Amerika no longer has a monopoly on this sort of thing.
I don’t draw a moral equivalent between a nation that is willing to execute religious apostates and this country. Do you have anything to say about Iran’s actions?
[/quote]
I don’t have much to say about Iran’s actions. They have thugs running the place, just as we do here in the U.S, they just happened to be worse.
I do think it is comical for Amerikans to try and hold Iran to a standard we (the government) can’t even uphold ourselves. A cursory knowledge of Amerikan involvement in Iranian affairs over the last 60 years or so would show that Iran has every right to hate us and/or the government.
[/quote]
Would have had much to say if your fellow citizens were killed in a terrorist action backed by Iran? And, do yourself a favor, drop the K. Amerikans? Seriously, it makes you into a caricature.
[/quote]
Nah, I’ll keep the “k” in Amerika. Much more fitting anyway.
[/quote]
Wow…that pretty much sums you right up.
Take advantage of the freedoms offered by this country, and spit on it at the same time.
Shouldn’t you be in NYC chanting into a mic right now?[/quote]
There are no freedoms “offered” by this country. You are free by default and incremental less free with more government. The U.S. Constitution has been the best in history of chaining the centralization of power that stifles those freedoms. Unfortunately, this union is only MORE perfect, not infallible and is rapidly approaching an end.[/quote]
Holy Jeebus…are you a host of late night AM radio?
Rapidly approaching an end? Times are not the best right now, but if you can show me a better option that living in the U.S…I would love to see it.[/quote]
No, I’m an American who thinks the U.S. was special because of the unprecedented level of personal and economic freedom it’s residents enjoyed over a short period of time.
That experiment in liberty through limited goverment is rapidly coming to an end whether or not the formal sovereignty of the U.S. does.
Better option from what perspective?
If you are on fixed income, then you have no better options. You’ve got no choice but to hope you die before your benefits are eroded away by cuts(less likely) or inflation(more likely) or both.
If you are an employer, then just about anywhere in China, SE Asia, Japan, Canada, Australia are all better option to move your business.
If you are an employee, then it depends on whether you have the savings and will to start over in Asia/Canada/Australia and whether you can find work sponsors there.
If you are a student, then the same thing applies to continuing your education if you can get in to a school elsewhere(and start a career there).
As for me…
I’m a graduate student living semi-permanently in Japan and also operate a small business. I’ll be continuing my schooling in Japan while I wait for permanent residency status.
[/quote]
A student…I should have guessed. By all means, get your degree in Japan…live in Japan.
But to lecture as if you have one CLUE of the real world, from behind your rose colored student glasses is rich broseph.
To each his own, but to read doom and destitution into everything you see…is just the cowards way out.[/quote]
Do you have something besides ad hominems to say?
Also you seem to have missed that I’m a business owner and not just a student.
The Israelis have been killing people working on Iran’s nuclear program and they are most likely the ones who created the Stuxnet virus which has disabled much of the Iranian nuclear program.
So the Iranians have good reason to want to lash out at both of them. It is going to be interesting to see what comes of this.
[/quote]
No they don’t. If you are threatening to beat me to death, what good does it do for me to key your car? There is benefit for Iran doing these things, they would do nothing but give the Israelis and Saudis the moral highpoint to draw more global support from. What have you been smoking?[/quote]
There wasn’t any benefit to the Iranians blowing up a Jewish community center in Argentina but they did it any way. Expecting rational behavior from the Iranians is wishful thinking. They have their base of support to appeal to and thuggery is how they roll. It will be interesting to see what comes out in the trial.
I haven’t been smoking anything. Not for a few years.
And another thing. America’s involvement in Iran started when they sided with Nazi Germany a country which had declared war on the US. Then it continued into the cold war when we were faced off against Stalin. There is a lot more to that story than the one sided crap you are presenting.
So Mr. Human… you own a business and are going to school in Japan, and you are not a citizen?
And if you are so disgusted with the direction that the U.S. is taking…why do you feel the need to let others know it…is the fact that you bailed out of the country not enough?
Why do so many discussions on PWI just end up talking about who someone is and what they do instead of focusing on the arguments?
Poster 1: I am arguing for X because of 1, 2 and 3.
Poster 2: Well you are wrong because you are a dirty __________ (Fill in the blank student/teacher/youth/american/non-american/etc)
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
So Mr. Human… you own a business and are going to school in Japan, and you are not a citizen?
And if you are so disgusted with the direction that the U.S. is taking…why do you feel the need to let others know it…is the fact that you bailed out of the country not enough?[/quote]
I said I live semi-permanently in Japan. I own a business in the U.S. where I have been a citizen my whole life(since 2 y/o actually).
I am transitioning to Japan as I earn my Graduate degree there and wait on permanent residency status.
Again, stop throwing out straw men. I never said I was “disgusted”. I was just pointing out how I see the U.S. to be. I post every so often in my free time just to strike up a conversation when I’m stuck indoors. I don’t really have any compelling reason to “let others know”. I’m just killing time while I do mundane filing on my other monitor.
Also…
I plan on returning to the U.S. after I’ve established myself economically abroad. After the U.S. undergoes a monetary correction and regains it’s productive path I hope to return and live close to my family(mom, grandparents, sister). Staying in the U.S. would just be crippling my future and leaving myself just as helpless as they might be.