Iran Captures British Sailors

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
hedo wrote:
Muslim extremists are far better known for terrorizing people around the world then the US Army, as I’m sure your realize but sadly are prevented by bigotry to admit.

Millions living abroad would beg to differ. Some of them even frequent internet message boards. You could look them up, if your pro-US bias didn’t prevent you from doing so.

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Some even troll this message board spreading lies and deceit.

There are six billion people in this world. I would expect the US to have millions of enemies.

I also think there are millions of rapists, child molesters and other evil people in this world.

The fact that millions of people would prefer Islamic rule over the western style democracy the US is trying to spread does not make them right.

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[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
hedo wrote:
Muslim extremists are far better known for terrorizing people around the world then the US Army, as I’m sure your realize but sadly are prevented by bigotry to admit.

Millions living abroad would beg to differ. Some of them even frequent internet message boards. You could look them up, if your pro-US bias didn’t prevent you from doing so.

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There are plenty on this board as you can see. Lately this forum, in particular, has been swamped with them.

By the way your military analysis above was simplistic. More history channel then fact. If your Anti-US Bias will allow it, look up some of the information you were tossing around and see where you were wrong.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Some even troll this message board spreading lies and deceit.

There are six billion people in this world. I would expect the US to have millions of enemies.

I also think there are millions of rapists, child molesters and other evil people in this world.

The fact that millions of people would prefer Islamic rule over the western style democracy the US is trying to spread does not make them right.[/quote]

Then what does make them “right”? What makes anyone right?

Nobody is “trolling” anything. Everyone is expressing his own opinion and espousing his own perception of reality.

Statements such as, “There are six billion people in this world. I would expect the US to have millions of enemies.” resemble lies because they deflect attention away from the intended point, which is that the U.S. has far more enemies and detractors than any other country and their numbers have increased greatly since 9/11.

The point he made was flat out wrong. There are more people in the world who view this country as the greatest threat to world peace than Muslim extremism. Period. Equivocation be damned, that’s the clear-cut truth.

Go read a French, German, Scandinavian or Iranian message board. They’re easy enough to find. A majority of the people there will likely understand English. You could do it. It would educate you. But you won’t. And that’s all that needs to be said.

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hedo wrote:
LOL

A bunch of dimwit articles with no relation to the topic…ok great.

So how did the British trick the Iranians into capturing them and threatening to prosecute them for espionage? Tell us?

Do you think the crafty Zionists are behind this one also? Perhaps controlling the minds of the Iranian leadership with invisible brainwaves. [/quote]

Hey, dumbass…you won’t KNOW what actually happened for a few decades, if ever. The truth will take that long to make it’s way to surface, and by then no one will care besides a few so-called “conspiracy theorists”. It will be another Gulf of Tonkin. That was the point being made.

Justin Raimondo is no dimwit…you are.

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[quote]hedo wrote:
There are plenty on this board as you can see. Lately this forum, in particular, has been swamped with them.[/quote]

Unfortunately, I haven’t noticed the so-called invasion of “liberals” and other subversive types on this board that you neocons keep crying about. I’ve witnessed a moderate influx of tech-savy Libertarians and conservatives who question the establishment, that’s all.

[quote]hedo wrote:
By the way your military analysis above was simplistic. More history channel then fact. If your Anti-US Bias will allow it, look up some of the information you were tossing around and see where you were wrong.[/quote]

That’s your job, chief. You would have me attempt to refute my own arguments for you? Cute…!

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[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:Statements such as, “There are six billion people in this world. I would expect the US to have millions of enemies.” resemble lies because they deflect attention away from the intended point, which is that the U.S. has far more enemies and detractors than any other country and their numbers have increased greatly since 9/11.

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What’s wrong with that? The bad guys usually DO hate the police. You’re definitely the Master of the Obvious, or maybe the Oblivious.

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[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
hedo wrote:
There are plenty on this board as you can see. Lately this forum, in particular, has been swamped with them.

Unfortunately, I haven’t noticed the so-called invasion of “liberals” and other subversive types on this board that you neocons keep crying about. I’ve witnessed a moderate influx of tech-savy Libertarians and conservatives who question the establishment, that’s all.

hedo wrote:
By the way your military analysis above was simplistic. More history channel then fact. If your Anti-US Bias will allow it, look up some of the information you were tossing around and see where you were wrong.

That’s your job, chief. You would have me attempt to refute my own arguments for you? Cute…![/quote]

Just beacuse you choose to remain blissfully ignorant doesn’t mean this board hasn’t become swamped with trolls who have absolutely no interest beyond spreading propaganda.

First off all, dimwit, they are British sailors, not US. The US will act, if asked by the British, but it is up to the British to make the call.

Second the Tor has neve actually downed a plane in combat, is vulnerable to countermeasures, and is being manned by Iranians, not Russians. The Iranians have no experience in modern combat and the Russians aren’t exactly the best trainers.

Your analysis of the Kosovo downing of an older F-117 didn’t actually state any facts to refute, let alone make an argument. Do you really think, for a minute, that the Iranian Air Force and Navy would survive past the first 48hrs? Based on what…something more then wishful thinking sparky?

You don’t have even the basic understanding of the subject matter to debate…and eductating a fucknut like you would be boring for me.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:Statements such as, “There are six billion people in this world. I would expect the US to have millions of enemies.” resemble lies because they deflect attention away from the intended point, which is that the U.S. has far more enemies and detractors than any other country and their numbers have increased greatly since 9/11.

What’s wrong with that? The bad guys usually DO hate the police. You’re definitely the Master of the Obvious, or maybe the Oblivious.[/quote]

Very bad analogy. You assume that the majority of people in the world are bad guys.

You earn enemies by behaving like jerks. Period.

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[quote]hedo wrote:
Just beacuse you choose to remain blissfully ignorant doesn’t mean this board hasn’t become swamped with trolls who have absolutely no interest beyond spreading propaganda.[/quote]

You mean yourself, HH and JeffR? Can’t argue with that.

I don’t remember the US ever waiting for anyone to make the call on Iraq. And if you think Blair makes a foreign affairs decision without concerting with Bush, you’re essentially lying to yourself.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
hedo wrote:
Just beacuse you choose to remain blissfully ignorant doesn’t mean this board hasn’t become swamped with trolls who have absolutely no interest beyond spreading propaganda.

You mean yourself, HH and JeffR? Can’t argue with that.

First off all, dimwit, they are British sailors, not US. The US will act, if asked by the British, but it is up to the British to make the call.

I don’t remember the US ever waiting for anyone to make the call on Iraq. And if you think Blair makes a foreign affairs decision without concerting with Bush, you’re essentially lying to yourself.[/quote]

No I mean you lixy…T-Nation’s cyber-jihadist. Why do you think we all laugh at your expense.

I’m not lying to anyone unlike you, who lies to everyone, but that’s why you are here isn’t it?

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
JustTheFacts wrote:
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PM ‘says Israel pre-planned war’
BBC
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No shit? I thought they just woke up one day and randomly went at it.

They planned? Wow. [/quote]

In other words a pre-meditated, intentional slaughter that only used the kidnapping as a pretext.

Israel authorizes ‘severe’ response to abductions
Israel quickly blamed the Lebanese government for the raid – and charged it with the soldiers’ safe release – and the Israel Defense Forces began hammering Lebanon with artillery and airstrikes hours before the Cabinet met to discuss a response.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/12/mideast/

Lebanon civilian toll hits 1000
At least 1002 civilians, 30 per cent of them children under 12, have died as well as 30 soldiers and policemen, the state relief committee said, while 3580 have been wounded…

In 30 days, 915,792 people have been displaced, including 220,000 Lebanese who left the country, according to the government High Relief Commission…
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20087411-5005961,00.html

Amnesty: Israeli military action massively destroyed Lebanon’s infrastructure
“The scale of the destruction was just extraordinary,” said Amnesty researcher Donatella Rovera, who visited Lebanon during the war and co-authored the report.

“There is clear evidence of disproportionate and indiscriminate attacks.”
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-08-22-amnesty-lebanon_x.htm

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[quote]hedo wrote:
I knew it!!! Those craft Zionists again.
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You say that like its not true…

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[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
JustTheFacts wrote:
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PM ‘says Israel pre-planned war’
BBC
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No shit? I thought they just woke up one day and randomly went at it.

They planned? Wow.

In other words a pre-meditated, intentional slaughter that only used the kidnapping as a pretext.
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If by pretext you mean response to decades of terrorism then you are correct.

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“There is clear evidence of disproportionate and indiscriminate attacks.”
USATODAY.com - Amnesty: Israeli military action massively destroyed Lebanon's infrastructure [/quote]

Should they trade lives one for one?

This is one of the stupidest statements I have ever read. That you use it to try to prove some kind of point is bizarre.

The whole jist of your “argument” is that Israel plans its military operations and they try to inflict more casualties than they receive.

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[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
JustTheFacts wrote:
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PM ‘says Israel pre-planned war’
BBC
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No shit? I thought they just woke up one day and randomly went at it.

They planned? Wow.

In other words a pre-meditated, intentional slaughter that only used the kidnapping as a pretext.
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If by pretext you mean response to decades of terrorism then you are correct.

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“There is clear evidence of disproportionate and indiscriminate attacks.”
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-08-22-amnesty-lebanon_x.htm[/quote]

Should they trade lives one for one?

This is one of the stupidest statements I have ever read. That you use it to try to prove some kind of point is bizarre.

The whole jist of your “argument” is that Israel plans its military operations and they try to inflict more casualties than they receive.

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Defence Secretary Des Browne said it was “completely unacceptable to parade our people in this way”.

Tony Blair has said it was time for the UK to “ratchet up” pressure on Iran.

Deputy Chief of the Defence Staff, Vice Admiral Charles Style, has produced data which he said proves the boarding party was 1.7 nautical miles inside Iraqi waters.

The Ministry of Defence also released a photograph of a handheld global positioning satellite device in HMS Cornwall’s Lynx helicopter as it flew over the searched merchant vessel.

Ed Owen, who was an advisor to Jack Straw during his time as foreign secretary, has told BBC Radio Five Live he thought Iran had deliberately engineered the incident.

“There are people in the Iranian regime who believe that the way to address what they regard as the dangers of the West, as well as expanding Iranian influence, is to confront the West,” he said.

from: BBC NEWS | UK | Iran offers UK access to sailors

I love the little map statements below: Iran gives them an incorrect location, in Iraqi waters which the Brits kindly point out. Then the Iranians come up with one that is actually in their waters

Iran tells UK that merchant ship was at a different point, still within Iraqi waters
After UK points this out, Iran provides alternative position, now within Iranian waters

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[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
In other words a pre-meditated, intentional slaughter that only used the kidnapping as a pretext.[/quote]

It was a capture not a kidnapping. The dozens of Palestinians abducted on a regular basis by T’sahal and the Mossad qualify as kidnappings. Capturing a soldier is not kidnapping.

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The BBC reports:

"In the Iranian TV interview, Leading Seaman Turney, 26, said the group had been seized in the Gulf because “obviously we trespassed” in Iranian waters.

She said her captors had been friendly and the 15 personnel, who were all based on HMS Cornwall in the Gulf, were unharmed."

I wonder how hedo and his fellow cyber-warmongerers will dodge this one…

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[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
hedo wrote:
I knew it!!! Those craft Zionists again.

You say that like its not true…[/quote]

I’m only mocking you. You blame the Jews for everything.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
The BBC reports:

"In the Iranian TV interview, Leading Seaman Turney, 26, said the group had been seized in the Gulf because “obviously we trespassed” in Iranian waters.

She said her captors had been friendly and the 15 personnel, who were all based on HMS Cornwall in the Gulf, were unharmed."

I wonder how hedo and his fellow cyber-warmongerers will dodge this one…[/quote]

That is what they all say so they will not be abused any more. The Brits captured by Iran in 2004 made similar statements while in captivity but as soon as they were out of the Iranians power they told of the beatings and other physical abuse they endured as well as being taken our in the desert and going through mock executions.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:Statements such as, “There are six billion people in this world. I would expect the US to have millions of enemies.” resemble lies because they deflect attention away from the intended point, which is that the U.S. has far more enemies and detractors than any other country and their numbers have increased greatly since 9/11.

What’s wrong with that? The bad guys usually DO hate the police. You’re definitely the Master of the Obvious, or maybe the Oblivious.

Very bad analogy. You assume that the majority of people in the world are bad guys.

You earn enemies by behaving like jerks. Period.[/quote]

Being a ‘jerk’ to evil people is a good thing. Bombing those who take sailors and marines captive when GPS shows they were legally in Iraqi waters is a GOOD thing.

Amazing that you defend those Iranian Satanists.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
The BBC reports:

"In the Iranian TV interview, Leading Seaman Turney, 26, said the group had been seized in the Gulf because “obviously we trespassed” in Iranian waters.

She said her captors had been friendly and the 15 personnel, who were all based on HMS Cornwall in the Gulf, were unharmed."

I wonder how hedo and his fellow cyber-warmongerers will dodge this one…[/quote]

If someone out of camera is holding a gun on you, what would you say? Also, GPS shows that they were in Iraqi waters.

But, its only science…that GPS trickery produced by the Great Satan. What’s that compared to the Koran?