Iran Captures British Sailors

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]bradley wrote:
I’m not criticizing the Army, I’m fed up with loudmouth jackasses who talk tough but don’t actually back up their bravado with anything more than typing. They cheer for war like it’s a football game, those people disgust me. They are like maggots, feeding off of death.[/quote]

I have to admit to joy knowing that bradley will inevitably weigh in on each topic.

Let’s begin.

bradley, how did the recent code pink rally go?

I thought I saw you spray painting Mike Roger’s place.

You look even smaller than I imagined.

I LOVE IT!!! How exactly? By going in “unilaterally?” By pushing the europeans out front.

You remind me of a dog chasing his tail.

Where did you code pinkers get that?

THERE IT IS!!! It only took a few paragraphs.

Ladies and Gentlemen, iran’s malfeasance is a result of George W. Bush. Let’s forget about 1979 to 2000.

Manipulate the facts to suit the looney theories.

You are hilarious!!!

I love you, bradley. Is it this cooperation?

That’s rich. You really should seek some serious help.

I wonder what you tools are going to do when Rudy replaces Bush.

I think I’m going to show up at your mother’s house, ask for you, and chase after you chanting, “Bush. Bush. Bush.”

I’ll bet you melt.

Ok, by bradley logic: Bush causes terrorism and good guys to turn into bad guys. Bad guys are therefore validated and exonerated.

No blame attached to the terrorists via bradley. Bush < terrorists.

Don’t ever change. You are my shining star.

Things have gone smoothly with Iraq circa 1979 to 2000,

Signed,

bradley.

This paragraph sums you up.

You do know that the north koreans violated your sainted billy boy’s agreement almost immediately?

I’m not sure there are enough adjectives to adequately describe you.

I think the closest I can come is: bradley you are a figure of fun.

Thanks for being you,

JeffR

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[quote]hedo wrote:
What’s to twist? It’s always the fault of the US isn’t it? Did I misrepresent your position? Have you written something to the contrary? [/quote]

The twist was about your insinuation that Canadians were somewhat smarter than Spaniards. And yes, you misrepresented my position on that point. You also make it seem like I’m claiming that the US is responsible for every problem on the planet. It’s not true.

Rather, I criticize Bush for taking the war on terror as justification to invade countries. Also, the agressive nature of American-style capitalism is doing a lot of harm to economies around the world.

Muslim extremists have the stated purpose of terrorizing people. They never hid it or tried to wrap it up in “bringing democracy to the world.” In that sense, I totally agree with your statement.

Because it’s a too good excuse for Bush to start nuking Tehran. The location of capture and their activities there are indeed in dispute.

Nobody could “win” in Iraq except the people selling weapons. Al-Qaeda wins supporters as long as you don’t withdraw. If you do stay, you might eventually weaken the Al-Qaeda cell in Iraq but the popular resistance will never be crushed as long as there are Iraqis alive.

And why is it that you tag people who support peace “propagandists”? What have I got to win from all this except a better conscience?

For all I know, you’re the one who might own stock in Lockheed-Martin or some other company that thrives in times of war.

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[quote]Brad61 wrote:
I wonder if the British captives are receiving Bush’s high standard of detainee treatment?

Waterboarding?

Stripped naked and hosed with water, kept in freezing cold?

Hooded for days at a time?

Chained standing up with arms over head, overnight? “Stress positions”?

Smeared with shit?

You know, the “Club Gitmo” routine… it’s like a spa, only with frat-style hijinks. If they didn’t get their fingers chopped off, “then it aint torture”![/quote]

The last group of Brits Iran captured were abused and mock executed and I have yet to see you condemn Iran’s actions.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
hedo wrote:
What’s to twist? It’s always the fault of the US isn’t it? Did I misrepresent your position? Have you written something to the contrary?

The twist was about your insinuation that Canadians were somewhat smarter than Spaniards. And yes, you misrepresented my position on that point. You also make it seem like I’m claiming that the US is responsible for every problem on the planet. It’s not true.

Rather, I criticize Bush for taking the war on terror as justification to invade countries. Also, the agressive nature of American-style capitalism is doing a lot of harm to economies around the world.

Actually Muslim extremists are far better known for terrorizing people around the world then the US Army

Muslim extremists have the stated purpose of terrorizing people. They never hid it or tried to wrap it up in “bringing democracy to the world.” In that sense, I totally agree with your statement.

Why should the Iranians be released? Is the location about where they were captured in dispute? Perhaps what they were doing?

Because it’s a too good excuse for Bush to start nuking Tehran. The location of capture and their activities there are indeed in dispute.

Surely you of all people have heard of “Al-Queda in Iraq”. Z man said they have to win or suffer the consequences…before he suffered the consequences.

Nobody could “win” in Iraq except the people selling weapons. Al-Qaeda wins supporters as long as you don’t withdraw. If you do stay, you might eventually weaken the Al-Qaeda cell in Iraq but the popular resistance will never be crushed as long as there are Iraqis alive.

And why is it that you tag people who support peace “propagandists”? What have I got to win from all this except a better conscience?

For all I know, you’re the one who might own stock in Lockheed-Martin or some other company that thrives in times of war.[/quote]

I own stock in lot’s of companies. The ownership of private property and respect for property rights is a hallmark of western civilization. The military in your part of the world is used for evil. In mine it’s not…see the difference? Of course you don’t but others may. I’ve even spent a lot of time in the military and participated in the liberation of Kuwait.

Actually,lixy, in nearly all of your posts you blame the US for whatever problem you are attempting to address. You would be taken seriously if you didn’t try to hide your obvious bigotry. Since you don’t, you are dismissed by just about everyone here, surely you see that. The fact that you only post in this forum is usally the sign of a troll or in your case something far worse.

I think it’s been demonstrated time after time why you post here lixy. You have an agenda that is not as well hidden as you think. You have been called out and have done nothing to dispel that perception. In fact you offer further proof with each post. It’s not working and you are becoming further marginalized. I think your funny. Kind of like the T Nation Baghdad Bob.

So we should let the Iranians spies go because “It’s too good excuse for Bush to start nuking Tehran”? OK…want to try that again and this time make sense. The spies were in Iraq and the location wherethey were arrested is not in dispute, except by the Jihadists. Even the Iranians admit they were in Iraq, but claim they were diplomats. Diplomats who are bomb makers but diplomats nonetheless.

Enjoy your training…you do train right…or just post in the politics forum?

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[quote]Ken Kaniff wrote:
Brad61 wrote:
I wonder if the British captives are receiving Bush’s high standard of detainee treatment?

Waterboarding?..

Stripped naked and hosed with water, kept in freezing cold?

Hooded for days at a time?

Chained standing up with arms over head, overnight? “Stress positions”?

Smeared with shit?

You know, the “Club Gitmo” routine… it’s like a spa, only with frat-style hijinks. If they didn’t get their fingers chopped off, “then it aint torture”!

Of course not, since Iran hasnt the biggest guns they cant do that.

Damn, i wonder why some people see the US as “the great satan”. In the Nurnberg trial one guy was sentenced to death for allowing stuff less than that…[/quote]

If allowing the genocide of six million Jews was less than that, then yes you are correct. But then most people would think that the murder of six million is somewhat worse than a stay at club Gitmo.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Brad61 wrote:
I wonder if the British captives are receiving Bush’s high standard of detainee treatment?

Waterboarding?

Stripped naked and hosed with water, kept in freezing cold?

Hooded for days at a time?

Chained standing up with arms over head, overnight? “Stress positions”?

Smeared with shit?

You know, the “Club Gitmo” routine… it’s like a spa, only with frat-style hijinks. If they didn’t get their fingers chopped off, “then it aint torture”!

The last group of Brits Iran captured were abused and mock executed and I have yet to see you condemn Iran’s actions.[/quote]

I’m sure the Iranians will put gloves on before they touch a Bible and will provide food suitable for the British guys to eat. They’ll also bring in priests, ministers, even rabbis to attend anyone’s religious needs. LOL!

Why we are not bombing these SOBs is beyond me. Remember Reagan, in 1987 and how he dealt with the scum laying mines next to American ships?

Iran’s nuke sites and military bases should be dust by now. C’mon George, grow a pair!!

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[quote]hedo wrote:

I think it’s been demonstrated time after time why you post here lixy. You have an agenda that is not as well hidden as you think. You have been called out and have done nothing to dispel that perception. In fact you offer further proof with each post. It’s not working and you are becoming further marginalized. I think your funny. Kind of like the T Nation Baghdad Bob.

[/quote]

He’s the leader of the Swedish Al-Qaeda.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:

I’m sure the Iranians will put gloves on before they touch a Bible and will provide food suitable for the British guys to eat.[/quote]

Isn’t British food a violation of the Geneva Convention?

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Brad61 wrote:
I wonder if the British captives are receiving Bush’s high standard of detainee treatment?

Waterboarding?

Stripped naked and hosed with water, kept in freezing cold?

Hooded for days at a time?

Chained standing up with arms over head, overnight? “Stress positions”?

Smeared with shit?

You know, the “Club Gitmo” routine… it’s like a spa, only with frat-style hijinks. If they didn’t get their fingers chopped off, “then it aint torture”!

The last group of Brits Iran captured were abused and mock executed and I have yet to see you condemn Iran’s actions.[/quote]

Why would they? The Iranians are against Bush, anyone against Bush can’t be all that bad, right?
Tony Blair is scared to do anything about it. They should give Iran 24 hours and then start laying waste to Tehran, but what will likely happen is some sanctions will be lifted, or money will be traded or prisoners.

What it seems to me is Iran is testing the waters on how much crap they can get away with. Apparently, a lot.

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[quote]pat36 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Brad61 wrote:
I wonder if the British captives are receiving Bush’s high standard of detainee treatment?

Waterboarding?

Stripped naked and hosed with water, kept in freezing cold?

Hooded for days at a time?

Chained standing up with arms over head, overnight? “Stress positions”?

Smeared with shit?

You know, the “Club Gitmo” routine… it’s like a spa, only with frat-style hijinks. If they didn’t get their fingers chopped off, “then it aint torture”!

The last group of Brits Iran captured were abused and mock executed and I have yet to see you condemn Iran’s actions.

Why would they? The Iranians are against Bush, anyone against Bush can’t be all that bad, right?
Tony Blair is scared to do anything about it. They should give Iran 24 hours and then start laying waste to Tehran, but what will likely happen is some sanctions will be lifted, or money will be traded or prisoners.

What it seems to me is Iran is testing the waters on how much crap they can get away with. Apparently, a lot. [/quote]

Pat, will you join me in joining the counter-protest against bradley and th rest of the code pinkers?

iran, is OBVIOUSLY a serious threat.

JeffR

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[quote]hedo wrote:
I own stock in lot’s of companies. The ownership of private property and respect for property rights is a hallmark of western civilization. [/quote]

I know that. What you don’t seem to get, is the extent to which those companies are running the show.

How you came to the conclusion that your military is used for good is beyond me.

Far worse than warmongering rascals?

Well, no…the Iranians should let the brits go because “It’s too good excuse for Bush to start nuking Tehran”. I think it’s fairly clear.

The Shat-Al-Arab is a disputed area. Go grab a geography book or something of the sort…

Thanks. And yes I do train steadily.

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[quote]lucasa wrote:
Isn’t British food a violation of the Geneva Convention?[/quote]

LOL!

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[quote]lixy wrote:
hedo wrote:
I own stock in lot’s of companies. The ownership of private property and respect for property rights is a hallmark of western civilization.

I know that. What you don’t seem to get, is the extent to which those companies are running the show.

The military in your part of the world is used for evil. In mine it’s not…see the difference?

How you came to the conclusion that your military is used for good is beyond me.

Actually,lixy, in nearly all of your posts you blame the US for whatever problem you are attempting to address. You would be taken seriously if you didn’t try to hide your obvious bigotry. Since you don’t, you are dismissed by just about everyone here, surely you see that. The fact that you only post in this forum is usally the sign of a troll or in your case something far worse.

Far worse than warmongering rascals?

So we should let the Iranians spies go because “It’s too good excuse for Bush to start nuking Tehran”? OK…want to try that again and this time make sense. The spies were in Iraq and the location wherethey were arrested is not in dispute, except by the Jihadists. Even the Iranians admit they were in Iraq, but claim they were diplomats. Diplomats who are bomb makers but diplomats nonetheless.

Well, no…the Iranians should let the brits go because “It’s too good excuse for Bush to start nuking Tehran”. I think it’s fairly clear.

The Shat-Al-Arab is a disputed area. Go grab a geography book or something of the sort…

Enjoy your training…you do train right…

Thanks. And yes I do train steadily.[/quote]

I make my conclusions based on observations and common sense…how about you?

As usual a bigoted opinion and zero substance…try again.

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Bush/Cheney and Tony Blair blew their credibility for military intervention, with the fiasco in Iraq.

Sorry to disappoint the Iraq Pussy Posse… that means you JeffR. No fireworks in Iran, for you to watch from the safety of your comfy chair.

But you should still join up and go to Iraq, chickenshit. Tell us what a glorious success we’re having, in first-person.

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[quote]hedo wrote:
LOL

A bunch of dimwit articles with no relation to the topic…ok great.[/quote]

They were completely related to how we start wars and who always benefits. We’re in the Persian Gulf now to “create” or “provoke” an incident that can be used as an excuse to attack Iran–as if nobody saw this coming…

[quote]So how did the British trick the Iranians into capturing them and threatening to prosecute them for espionage? Tell us?

Do you think the crafty Zionists are behind this one also? Perhaps controlling the minds of the Iranian leadership with invisible brainwaves.[/quote]

Yeah, that’s a real brain teaser… if only there were a similar example to compare it to…

PM ‘says Israel pre-planned war’
BBC
8 March 2007
Israel’s prime minister has said that the strategy used in last year’s war with Lebanon was drawn up months in advance, an Israeli newspaper reports.

According to Haaretz, Ehud Olmert said it was decided at least four months before that any kidnap of Israeli troops on its border would trigger war…

Hey, is that a quarter behind your ear? FYI, if someone ever says they “got your nose”, its actually just their own thumb between two fingers.

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[quote]Brad61 wrote:
Bush/Cheney and Tony Blair blew their credibility for military intervention, with the fiasco in Iraq.

Sorry to disappoint the Iraq Pussy Posse… that means you JeffR. No fireworks in Iran, for you to watch from the safety of your comfy chair.

But you should still join up and go to Iraq, chickenshit. Tell us what a glorious success we’re having, in first-person.[/quote]

WOW? do you not know what’s going on over there? Its an occupation dumbass. were waiting for Iraq’s government to get there shit together(this is why we need a deadline so they don’t keep up this free ride). Please tell me how we are getting are asses kicked when we destroyed that place like it was nothing?

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Isn’t it ‘Pom-PoNs’? Anyway, what the Iranians did, just like arming the Iraqi terrorists, is called AN ACT OF WAR. The nuke sites and Iran’s military capabilities should now be pretty close to dust as we speak. The fact that those are not really tells us something…[/quote]

Act of war? No, it’s merely an assertion of their sovereignty in defiance of the empire. Perhaps we should be at war with China, since they intercepted a US spy plane flying over their waters in the Hainan Island incident in 2001?

Why hasn’t the US attacked yet? Probably because it’s afraid. Iran is not Iraq. Everyone in the world knows that “the greatest military” only attacks countries that cannot possibly defend themselves. Unfortunately for the imperial war planners, Iran does not fit into this category. They have acquired modern air defense systems from Russia which act as a strong deterrent against air attack, even by American stealth aircraft (one of which was famously shot down using 3-decades old Soviet radar equipment in 1999 over Kosovo).

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Remember Reagan, in 1987 and how he dealt with the scum laying mines next to American ships?[/quote]

So that was in 1987, and we’re still confronting them in 2007. Guess it didn’t work.

Now do you remember Reagan, in 1983, and how he dealt with the Lebanese terrorists who bombed the marine barracks in Beirut? Remember how he pulled the marines out of the country? And how this emboldened the Muslim extremists into staging an attack on American soil in the late 80’s? Oh, wait, that never happened…

Lesson learned?

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[quote]hedo wrote:
Muslim extremists are far better known for terrorizing people around the world then the US Army, as I’m sure your realize but sadly are prevented by bigotry to admit.[/quote]

Millions living abroad would beg to differ. Some of them even frequent internet message boards. You could look them up, if your pro-US bias didn’t prevent you from doing so.

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[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
…

PM ‘says Israel pre-planned war’
BBC
…[/quote]

No shit? I thought they just woke up one day and randomly went at it.

They planned? Wow.

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[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
hedo wrote:
LOL

A bunch of dimwit articles with no relation to the topic…ok great.

They were completely related to how we start wars and who always benefits. We’re in the Persian Gulf now to “create” or “provoke” an incident that can be used as an excuse to attack Iran–as if nobody saw this coming…

So how did the British trick the Iranians into capturing them and threatening to prosecute them for espionage? Tell us?

Do you think the crafty Zionists are behind this one also? Perhaps controlling the minds of the Iranian leadership with invisible brainwaves.

Yeah, that’s a real brain teaser… if only there were a similar example to compare it to…

PM ‘says Israel pre-planned war’
BBC
8 March 2007
Israel’s prime minister has said that the strategy used in last year’s war with Lebanon was drawn up months in advance, an Israeli newspaper reports.

According to Haaretz, Ehud Olmert said it was decided at least four months before that any kidnap of Israeli troops on its border would trigger war…

Hey, is that a quarter behind your ear? FYI, if someone ever says they “got your nose”, its actually just their own thumb between two fingers.[/quote]

I knew it!!! Those craft Zionists again.

JTF you are a consistent useful idiot. I almost pity you sometimes…almost.