[quote]Professor X wrote:
Hell, your GOAL should be to have a resume that shuts so many other people out that they DO hire you after just one interview.[/quote]
This right here. When I look at my resume compared to others in my field, I like to think there should be no question who to hire. The interview is just a way to prove to them they will make the right choice.
Resume is actually secondary to what I call the “general likability factor”. The only thing a resume does is get you an interview. After that it’s all about how well the company feels you are a good fit for that particular company.
As far as networking goes, I agree that high level job interviews can be a formality if you already have a professional relationship with the employer, but even then it’s not the resume that is getting you the job.
A resume will get you an interview and that’s about it.
Furthermore, many companies are REQUIRED to do 2nd round interviews as company policies dictate just to satisfy internal controls that they are doing their “due diligence” when hiring employees.
For any REAL job, a suit should be a no brainer for the interview.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Resume is actually secondary to what I call the “general likability factor”. The only thing a resume does is get you an interview. After that it’s all about how well the company feels you are a good fit for that particular company.
As far as networking goes, I agree that high level job interviews can be a formality if you already have a professional relationship with the employer, but even then it’s not the resume that is getting you the job.
A resume will get you an interview and that’s about it. [/quote]
Absolutely. Maybe in certain fields you can flat out get a job from your resume, but when I interview people, I’m asking myself “could I see this person working here/getting along with everyone/‘fitting in’”
I’d go further and say that a resume alone can’t get you a job, it can only disqualify you from one. If there are stupid mistakes - formatting, typos, whatever - then yes, you’re out of the running. But if I have two people whose skill levels are both at or above “competent” then it comes down to chemistry during the interview.
With all of the resources out there now for writing great resumes, it’s not really that impressive anymore. I want somebody I can spend 50+ hours a week with and not want to kill, not some d-bag who knows how to dress up his accomplishments and use flowery language
My 2c:
I was offered 2 jobs this month. One at a major investment bank and another at a hedge fund.
For both jobs my first interveiw was for ‘fit’: what do you know about the company, how similar is your outlook to people there.
The second interviews both involved me meeting senior management and having them probe further my reasons for taking the job and seeing if I would be able to get on ado things as opposed to having my hand held.
A navy blue or charcoal suit is something that every man should have in his wardrobe. Cahrcoal in particular will work at weddings funerals and in the office. Black works at night time but generally looks out of place in a work enivronment.
For my interviews I always wear:
navy blue suit
light blue shirt
plain burgundy, dark blue striped or plain silver tie
black belt
black plain toe cap oxfords (try and avoid those god awful square toed aldo monstrosities)
The above is absolutely appropriate in an interview setting for any job in an office.
It sounds like the interview went well. Did you end up getting the job?
I didn’t get the job… I DONT GET IT I REALLY THOUGHT THE INTERVIEW WENT AWESOME. I mean my major is part ISDS which is the Department that the IT guys that interviewed me are in, i mean fuckkkk.
[quote]optheta wrote:
I didn’t get the job… I DONT GET IT I REALLY THOUGHT THE INTERVIEW WENT AWESOME. I mean my major is part ISDS which is the Department that the IT guys that interviewed me are in, i mean fuckkkk.
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I don’t know how all business systems work, but I do know that in any field that requires substantial education, your resume is what really sells you, not the interview. The resume is what gets you in the door and is what they will use when comparing you to someone else who is out for the job.
Basing your chances of getting a job only on an interview might work if your position involves sales or dealing with people daily as a greeter.
If you had no professional help with your resume, that may be the reason you didn’t get the job in itself no matter how much they smiled at the interview.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
I didn’t get the job… I DONT GET IT I REALLY THOUGHT THE INTERVIEW WENT AWESOME. I mean my major is part ISDS which is the Department that the IT guys that interviewed me are in, i mean fuckkkk.
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I don’t know how all business systems work, but I do know that in any field that requires substantial education, your resume is what really sells you, not the interview. The resume is what gets you in the door and is what they will use when comparing you to someone else who is out for the job.
Basing your chances of getting a job only on an interview might work if your position involves sales or dealing with people daily as a greeter.
If you had no professional help with your resume, that may be the reason you didn’t get the job in itself no matter how much they smiled at the interview.[/quote]
This is 100% wrong. A resume can get you an interview, an interview can get you a job. It’s very, very rare in a professional setting for a resume itself to land someone a job.
If the resume is what landed the job than the OP would have never been called to the interview if another candidate’s resume was better.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
It’s very, very rare in a professional setting for a resume itself to land someone a job.
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I didn’t say the resume itself lands the job. I specifically wrote:
Now, I am sure we all know by now that reading comprehension is not your strong suit and that you have some strange need to follow me around disagreeing with everything I type.
Keep it up.
If you have any further concerns about what I type, you can respectfully relay these messages to my left ass cheek because God knows I don’t give a shit what you think.
ONE serious exception to the suit rule.
If you’re interviewing for a startup here in the Valley, and everyone wears their fucking Gap jeans and free Intel or IBM tshirts, and you walk in wearing a suit, it MIGHT work against, depending on the position you’re applying for. I’m not joking.
I work for a very large comany and am probably the best dressed guy on my floor–actually, probably the building–and every time I walk in the two ladies I talk two in my row (cube farm) always ask me if I’m comfortable and why do I care so much.
I mean, I’m trying to STAND OUT, so there’s a method to the madness, but be clear that the INDUSTRY matters.
If you’re going into banking/finance, say applying to work at a hedgefund…and you don’t wear a tie? Go slit your wrists, because you could be qualified and pass the tests during the interview, but you will NOT get hired. Happened to a buddy of mine. Perfect interview, former engineer, super good at math…“You’re a great candidate and we’d make you offer, but why the fuck aren’t you wearing a tie? I’m sorry.”
Another rule of thumb: if you plan on moving up, try to dress for two positions above where you are.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Dress one level above the job you’re after.[/quote]
Nice, at least one other person here gets it. I’ve heard 1-2, but I try to shoot on the higher end.
I also try to listen to some good music and watch some sports or something before I get into work, so I’m in a good mood and don’t seem standoffish (if it’s a sales job).
And by the way, a suit and a TAILORED suit are two different things 
Let’s get that out of the way. And those fucking foam shoe shiners for black/brown shoes. Always buff them before you head out.
[quote]ucallthatbass wrote:
No one will ever be angry that you overdressed for an interview, but they will definitely let you know if you do. I’ve been told at the end of 2 seperate interviews that I’ve overdressed.
The first was a sales job, I wore a 3 piece suit and a $800 knee length pea coat. The second was for a bean counter position at a biotech. I wore a suit, and they said that they almost didn’t hire me because I wore a suit and it clashed with the whole “biotech culture”.
But still got offers for both, and accepted the biotech job. [/quote]
If you really want to be ballsy, call ahead of time and speak to someone (not the person who will hire you) and don’t necessarily say you have an interview, but that you’ve heard great things about the company and you’re fresh out of school. They may be excited that a “moldable” prospect is coming and will likely give you good advice, e.g. insider info, especially on how to dress for the interview.
[quote]imhungry wrote:
Also, don’t listen to Totekopf… He’s barely weened off his mother’s teet
j/k[/quote]
Hah. We have an expression:
“His breath still smells like breast milk.”
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
It’s very, very rare in a professional setting for a resume itself to land someone a job.
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I didn’t say the resume itself lands the job. I specifically wrote:
Sorry about that. That is what you wrote. Unfortunately for you, that statement is still 100% wrong.
[quote]Now, I am sure we all know by now that reading comprehension is not your strong suit and that you have some strange need to follow me around disagreeing with everything I type.
Keep it up. [/quote]
? I feel like I just came back to these forums after a few months hiatus, we get in 1 little internet tiff in that “better than the best” thread, and now you’re accusing me of following you around to disagree with you? LOL, you’ve always had a big ego, but it must have REALLY blown up while I was away. You wrote something that is 100% wrong, expect people who know better to let you know about it.
I give a shit. I give lots of shits.
Now consider yourself mopped.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Hell, your GOAL should be to have a resume that shuts so many other people out that they DO hire you after just one interview.[/quote]
This right here. When I look at my resume compared to others in my field, I like to think there should be no question who to hire. The interview is just a way to prove to them they will make the right choice.[/quote]
I don’t know what kinds of interview you guys have had.
There are standard, BULLSHIT “personality” interviews, which most people are referring to (and many people can bullshit their way through), and then there are fucking hard, REALLY TECHNICAL interviews, as in…
“What’s wrong with this code? You have 10 minutes.”
Resume, CV, LinkedIn profile, some evidence of your participation in major projects/events…THOSE make people WANT to hire you, but if you’re being interviewed and the highest person to interview you (C-level exec) does NOT like you, he/she won’t give a shit about your resume/CV, you probably won’t get hired, unless you have some unique experience/knowledge that makes you “poachable,” and a company is willing to hire you to keep you away from its competitors.
I don’t think most people here are at that level professionally, though, no offense to anyone.
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Dress one level above the job you’re after.[/quote]
Nice, at least one other person here gets it. I’ve heard 1-2, but I try to shoot on the higher end.
I also try to listen to some good music and watch some sports or something before I get into work, so I’m in a good mood and don’t seem standoffish (if it’s a sales job).[/quote]
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
If you really want to be ballsy, call ahead of time and speak to someone (not the person who will hire you) and don’t necessarily say you have an interview, but that you’ve heard great things about the company and you’re fresh out of school. They may be excited that a “moldable” prospect is coming and will likely give you good advice, e.g. insider info, especially on how to dress for the interview.[/quote]
This is actually not a bad idea.
I remember when I had an interview for my second job, it was as a gym instructor/desk jocky. I had no clue what to wear really but figured nice shoes and slacks were a given but was tossing up between wearing a button down or a polo or something. Anyway I decided I needed to by a new shirt for the interview and I asked the opinion of the guy at the store.
He didn’t tell me at the time but he was very good friends with the guy doing the interviews and he rang him up and put a good word in for me.
Anyway I got the job, it pays to be kind to strangers.
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Hell, your GOAL should be to have a resume that shuts so many other people out that they DO hire you after just one interview.[/quote]
This right here. When I look at my resume compared to others in my field, I like to think there should be no question who to hire. The interview is just a way to prove to them they will make the right choice.[/quote]
I don’t know what kinds of interview you guys have had.
There are standard, BULLSHIT “personality” interviews, which most people are referring to (and many people can bullshit their way through), and then there are fucking hard, REALLY TECHNICAL interviews, as in…
“What’s wrong with this code? You have 10 minutes.”
Resume, CV, LinkedIn profile, some evidence of your participation in major projects/events…THOSE make people WANT to hire you, but if you’re being interviewed and the highest person to interview you (C-level exec) does NOT like you, he/she won’t give a shit about your resume/CV, you probably won’t get hired, unless you have some unique experience/knowledge that makes you “poachable,” and a company is willing to hire you to keep you away from its competitors.
I don’t think most people here are at that level professionally, though, no offense to anyone.[/quote]
I have a few freinds who have just finished studying physio and had to do interviews for hospitals and private practice. Some of the interviews are very long and are pretty much oral exams. I guess there is a lot of difference between the graduates as far as applied knowledge goes so they really grill them to find out if they are job ready.
[quote]Doyle wrote:
Some of the interviews are very long and are pretty much oral exams.
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This is why you should brush your teeth daily kids.
You should wear a suit to every interview. The suit should be clean, pressed, and it should fit you. Also, don’t have a hippy, dumb ass hair cut and try not to smell like a butthole. Shake hands like you want to kill him and look people in the eye. Smile.
FWIW I had a job interview at the front desk of a gym. I wore a suit. I was told that my resume was outstanding and I was very impressive. I didn’t get the job because I was “too professional”. I was told I should be running the branch, not a greeter. I say if you’re gonna get rejected from a job, it should be because you’re too good, not lacking.