Interesting

How they vote at the U.N.!

Below are the actual voting records of various Arabic/Islamic States which are recorded in both the US State Department and United Nations records:

Kuwait votes against the United States 67% of the time.
Qatar votes against the United States 67% of the time.
Morocco votes against the United States 70% of the time.
United Arab Emirates votes against the U. S. 70% of the time.
Jordan votes against the United States 71% of the time.
Tunisia votes against the United States 71% of the time.
Saudi Arabia votes against the United States 73% of the time.
Yemen votes against the United States 74% of the time.
Algeria votes against the United States 74% of the time.
Oman votes against the United States 74% of the time.
Sudan votes against the United States 75% of the time.
Pakistan votes against the United States 75% of the time.
Libya votes against the United States 76% of the time.
Egypt votes against the United States 79% of the time.
Lebanon votes against the United States 80% of the time.
India votes against the United States 81% of the time.
Syria votes against the United States 84% of the time.
Mauritania votes against the United States 87% of the time.

US Foreign Aid to those that hate us:

Egypt, for example, after voting 79% of the time against the United States, still receives $2 billion annually in US Foreign Aid.

Jordan votes 71% against the United States and receives $192,814,000 annually in US Foreign Aid.

Pakistan votes 75% against the United States receives $6,721,000 annually in US Foreign Aid.

India votes 81% against the United States receives $143,699,000 annually

Perhaps it is time to get out of the UN and give the tax savings back to the American workers who are having to skimp and sacrifice to pay the taxes.

Pass it along. Everyone needs to know this. Might even mention it to your congressman, who knows this anyway… what a disgrace… no wonder the world has no respect for us.

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The above article is copied from www.snopes.com

How does everyone feel about this?

one could add that, although this story is vetted by snopes (making it one of the few going around at any time that passes their muster), they also noted that if you chalked up the votes of all the rest of the UN, they were for the most part at best 50/50 for/against the US.

what do we make of That?

i really don’t know… i might let on that i am not qualified to have an opinion on complex world issues.

yeah it pisses me off that we send so much money to israel

Umm, hate to burst your bubble, but isn’t a vote like an opinion? Isn’t it something people are supposed to be able to make their own choice about?

What is the point of having a vote if everyone has to agree with you?

I would definately make sure Bush is aware of this concept. I’m sure he’d be happy to pass a law stating that citizens must either vote for him or they should be thrown in jail since they must obviously be unpatriotic and unamerican.

Sorry, I couldn’t resist the Bush comment…

Just think how much thay’d hate us without the money we give them.

The U.N. is a good forum for political discussion between countries. It is probably a good thing that we have a continuous forum for negotiations and discussion.

What it isn’t is a representative vote of world opinion. It’s not a democracy. No one votes for a U.N. rep.

Also, the U.N. is not some highly moral institution; democracies and dictatorships get the same vote. Cuba was on the Human Rights Panel; Rwanda, which is currently engaging in mass executions of its own citizenry, was just elected.

And the votes of ambassadors are hardly the opinions of countries.

Danh can’t resist being a jerk whenever Israel comes up. He’s on a mission to villify Israel, so he can feel better about his antisemitic statements and sentiments he’s revealed in the past.

But of course, since Danh’s intellect rapidly diminishes under the influence of his anger and prejudice, he totally missed the point of the post, which illustrates that Israel seems to earn the aid it receives from the United States.

Israel doesn’t promote anti-American propaganda (see Egypt, at 2.5 billion dollars); is prepared to offer the U.S. military a base from which to operate in the Middle East; and votes favorably toward the U.S. in the UN. Additionally, the technology sector of Israel is fast becoming a significant aid to the U.S. (and world) economy.

conveniently antisemitic again… i see

Foreign aid to Pakistan, India and Israel is a mute point anyway.

The Foreign Assistance Act (i.e. foreign aid law) has a section about the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons. Basically if you develop nuclear weapons or the capacity to make nuclear weapons in secret (i.e. no inspections) you don’t get foreign aid.

Pakistan, India and Israel have all developed nuclear weapons or the facilities to make nuclear weapons and thus by US law should not be receiving US foreign aid.

Who would have thought that there would be hypocrisy and special interests in politics? Shocking!

Umm… dan… before you get your panties in a twist, Israel wasn’t even on that list.

yes i know… i wonder why

Canvassing Human Rights Around the World
by Tim Worstall

So you saw that Sudan has retained that country’s place on the United Nations Human Rights Commission, even as it conducts a genocidal campaign against the inhabitants of its own Darfur region? Your jaw dropped and once you had stopped catching flies and scraped the errant mandible up off the floor, a righteous anger began to build, right? You wanted to know how this could happen, how can the fox be set to guard the henhouse in such a fashion?

I have one question for you.

Why?

Why are you surprised?

You are by definition a well informed and intelligent person, that you are here at this site is enough evidence of that. So you should already know. You should already be aware of how the UN works, how this ineffable contribution to world affairs conducts itself. You have read about how “Oil for Food " became " Oil for Fraud ,” you are aware of Kofi Annan’s either refusal or inability to do anything in Rwanda, of Srebrenica, of the vigilance and courage with which the organisation upheld the rights of those in the Gulag or the Killing Fields, how the Ukraine and Belarus were founding members as independent states back in 1945 Soviet Union notwithstanding.

Leave aside that Sudan, one of the last homes of the slave trade is a member of the Commission. You will already know this list of the 2004 members. China, a Communist dictatorship is there (never mind that the one democratic part of China, Taiwan, is not even allowed to be a member of the UN at all ), as is Congo, a place where it is hard to discern a government able to uphold any rights at all, and so is that feudal monarchy, Saudi Arabia, a state so concerned with human rights that Jews are not allowed to enter. Comrade Bob’s Zimbabwe, a state that actively slaughters a racial minority (No, not the white farmers, but the Ndebele, against whom he once sent the North Korean trained Fifth Brigade.) and induces starvation is considered worthy of pontificating on human rights.

Let us not forget Fidel’s socialist island paradise either, a place so brimming with freedoms and liberties that people attempt to leave with little but a plank strapped to their back.

Your broad knowledge of the world will also in the past have led you to Freedom House and their ratings of how free each country actually is, and you will already have appreciated the irony with which they take the governments of the world at their word. For they use the Universal Declaration of Human Rights as the basis for their measurements.

Yes, that’s right, that same UN document, the one that the UN Commission on Human Rights is there to uphold and administer, the very reason for being of that august body.

Given that you already know these things, it is perhaps redundant for me to point out a further matter.

Checking one list against the other, we find that of the 53 members of the Commission in 2004, 14 of them were not free by the very standards that it itself defines. A further 16 were only partially free. Yes indeedy, a majority of those who oversee that Universal Declaration, more than 50% of those who talk, debate, pass resolutions and issue statements about basic human rights fail the very test that they themselves are supposed to be upholding.

Knowing all of this of course you are not surprised that the Sudan is a member, a country whose Muslim rulers have been slaving, slaughtering and attempting genocide amongst the southern Christian and Animist minority for decades, not even mildly shocked when it is welcomed back into such company for another term.

This is not something unusual, something out of the ordinary. This is the United Nations and it is just another day at the office, the regular round of the water cooler, the coffee machine and making the world safe for human rights without compromising the inalienable sovereignty of the nation state.

As I say, you already know all of this, none of this surprises you or me at all. So let me add just one more point. In 2001 the United States provided 22% of the budget for the United Nations, and the United Kingdom a further 5.5 %. Yes, it really is this for which we pay our taxes.

Tim Worstall is a writer living in Europe. His online home is www.timworstall.com. He recently wrote for TCS about Throwing Tomatoes.

MitchG,

Aid is not about buying friends. It is about educating and liberating people so that they are able to get the necessary information to make better decisions, install better governments etc.

These people are being fed the company line by their governments just like the rest of us but many of them are not well educated enough to realise that some of it is BS.

They hate the West because they are told to. Where is the surprise in that? When is the last time you heard a good news story out of the Middle East. We are being fed skewed information about them too.

It is not surprising that they vote in a block. They share a point of view with their neighbours. Look for the nations that vote with the US, I’m guessing that you will find Britain and Australia etc in that group. That doesn’t mean that we all hate the Middle East, does it?

btw I realise that you didn’t prepare the list but India is not an Islamic nation. Maybe that helps to support my argument.

“yes i know… i wonder why”

Incredibly, he misses the whole point of the post!!! (which doesn’t mention Israel out because it votes IN FAVOR of the U.S.). Danh must “wonder why” because he thinks other people don’t actually read the posts and instead substitute for rational thought whatever prejudicial feeling their salavating on at the time, as he does here (and in many other threads).

Some people on this board should probably take Celexa or something to take the edge off so they can think better.

brian smith you fucking piece of shit…

i find it interesting how the original post seems to condemn all muslim countries for receiving financial aid while not doing whatever the fuck we tell them to do… and uses a very convenient metric for determining whether a country is doing whatever the fuck we want them too.

how many of the US’s and israel’s general assembly votes have to do with condemning/not condemning palestian suicide bombers, israeli incursoins into occupied territory?

israel has an unregulated nuclear program… israel frequently ignores the requests of the US in regards to the conflict there (building a billion dollar wall)…

and yet we still fund that country at ridiculous levels… from the cia factbook: “Israel usually posts sizable current account deficits, which are covered by large transfer payments from abroad and by foreign loans. Roughly half of the government’s external debt is owed to the US, which is its major source of economic and military aid.”

i support foreign aid to countries for the reasons others mentioned already, including israel. HOWEVER, it is clear that is a vast inconsistency as to which countries receive what amount of foreign aid and for what reason.

the list of countries in the orignal post needs to be expanded and the “cooperation” metric needs to be looked at again.

danh,
More pills! Talk the original poster about changing his entire intent to suit your personal agenda.

I posted the above to prompt debate about the information contained with in the article. Never once did I state my personal opinion. It is shame that you guys cannot post your opinions without flaming someone elses. If you noticed I asked “How does everyone feel about this?”.