Interesting phenomenon...

Bluedog,
I am very pleased that you are willing to discuss Theodore Roosevelt. I liked the tenor of your post very much. We can respectfully disagree as long as you don’t make blanket indictments against the United States. As the bad guys have learned to their dismay, I don’t take kindly to that sort of talk.
Now to T.R. Yes, he was a great man both personally and professionally. He helped usher in the Twentieth Century. This is often referred to as the American Century. Theodore was “All American.” He lived his life bravely and with conviction. Now to his White House achievements. These are not necessarily in the order of their importance or impact.

  1. The Panama Canal. He took over the failed french project, and made it a reality. He helped Panama achieve independence from Colombia and in return was given the rights to build the canal.
  2. Ending the Japanese-Russo War of 1903. His diplomacy garnered him the Nobel Peace Prize. His diplomacy showed bravery, patience, and thoughtfullness of the first order. I must point out, that Theodore’s public truculence, sometimes overshadows a man that kept us out of major conflicts during his Presidency.
  3. Avoiding conflict with the militant Kaiser of Germany. There were multiple snubs and diplomatic gaffes that could easily have led to conflict with Germany. Theodore was very clever with his choices of responses to a man who was clearly bent on self-aggrandizement. Look up the Algiers situation as an example.
    I need to go, I will keep typing later.

In order to proudly mantain my first place in US=GG’s list I must throw some more wood into the fire. I haven’t read all the thread yet as my new job as been leaving me very little time or energy to post anywhere but since it has been observed that we bad guys never say anything good about the US I will now say something nice about your country, it’s gonna be though, but I think I can manage that…Here it goes:

NOT ALL AMERICANS ARE DOGMATIC NATIONALISTIC DUMBASSES LIKE US=GG

There. Wasn’t that actually very nice?

US=GG said “We can respectfully disagree as long as you don’t make blanket indictments against the United States. As the bad guys have learned to their dismay, I don’t take kindly to that sort of talk.”

Bullshit, the US=GG panties get into a tremendous knot whenever anyone says anything negative about George Bush. George Bush does NOT = America, genius. Criticising Bush is not “criticizing America”.

The other thing which has caused you to poop your diapers repeatedly is when people say they are against America invading Iraq, especially with the dubious evidence presented by Bush and his cronies. War does not = America. Criticising the Iraq war is not “criticizing America”.

This is still America, isn’t it, or have we been overtaken by Fascists? Is it still legal to criticize the President in this country? Can people still do it without risking condemnation? Not in the T-Mag forum, due to fucktards like US=GG.

I have to wonder if US=GG is not an alter-ego of some other forumite, who thinks that his reactionary viewpoints need to be stated under an alias?

Restless - As an American, Thank You. Disagreeing is what democracy is all about. Bush didn’t get 100% of the vote, so if I criticize Bush, about 49% of America is with me. Here lately, it’s more like 75% are with me.

Lumpy - You are correct too, sir. Please reference what I just said to Restless.

bigprljamfan…

It is not my fault anymore than it is the fault of the Bighorn sheep who insist on smashing skulls during the rutting season.

*insert little known fact here----> “The adult males engage in fierce jousting matches and crash head-on into each other with an impact that can be heard two kilometres away”

Would you say to Mr. Bighorn Sheep “Hey you!, why don’t we stop all this silly head bashing stuff and go get us some Ewes? or maybe some nice clover, your choice!”

Of course not!, that would be against their pre-programmed, genetically imprinted behaviour just as it is fulfilling our destiny as forumites to participate in silly little “e-battles”…

Really, it’s just an electronic version of “sports-related Trash Talk”, no more personal than telling the scrawny little white kid that “I’m gonna take you to the hole then I’m gonna take your Momma…Bitch!”, “You better suck cock better than you cover 'cause at halftime you and the coach are gonna have some ALONE TIME!” or “Does your HUSBAND know you are out golfing?” As soon as we start to take this too seriously it is time to back off a bit, because really how fucking silly would that be?

(LOOK OUT…GENERALIZATION COMING THROUGH!)

(I AM NOT KIDDING!)

Women see this kind of verbal sparing in a different light, I think it offends their feminine sensibility to call someone hurtful, spiteful names because it would bother them to be called such things. The majority of the male Nation would agree that just because usgg ACTUALLY IS all of the things I have called him, there is no need to get mad about it. Only a sissy would do that.

An Estrogen filled, Anus-Leaking, Sac-Sucking, Creamy-Protein Preferring sissy.

So, as your chastisement is only an indication of your sweet and caring nature, it DOES have the effect of taking all the fun out of this, that being the case (and the fact that I would have to “Dumb it Down” for usgg to be truly offended) I will cease and desist as per your request.

But c’mon…“Captain America Underoos”…THAT is funny.

Ain’t it?

“No captain can do very wrong if he places his ship alongside that of the enemy”

~ Adm Horatio Nelson

cupcake,
You “illegitimate, sheep-banging, nutless, no-trap-having, shit-smelling, incest-loving, rat-ass” I couldn’t agree with your assertions more!!! Now, it has happened, mark it down. We agree on something. “Angels, and Ministers of Grace, Defend us!!!” However, I would never have gone to Defcon 1, had you not called me a “nazi fuckhead.” As you can see by the previous, 100 replies to me, I’m used to flak. Your unecessary comment caused a rare flare of anger. By the way, you didn’t answer my previous question; Are you asserting that I typed that quote?
restless,
If you don’t like either me or my ideas, I must be both a Good Guy and 100% right in my convictions. Thanks for the validation.

Lumpy (and others – Lumpy just made the most recent post) –

Point of clarification – whether something is legal or illegal has nothing to do with any social opprobrium you may receive for doing it. Think about it in a non-speech context: if you choose not to shower, it’s not illegal, but others may freely shun you. If you have your opinion, whether political, religious, sports-related or whathaveyou, you can choose to have it, and others can choose to tell you they think you are full of it and why.

Does it work to change peoples’ minds? Not particularly well. However, there is nothing unAmerican about criticizing someone else’s political opinion.

To put it another way, Americans have a grand tradition of haranguing and verbally berating their opponents for holding opposite views – the only thing illegal is if the government steps in and trys to stifle free speech. Private actions do not offend the First Amendment.

lumpy,
I just wanted to thank you for all you’ve done. I’m going to mix a match some of lumpy’s “top quotes” as a sort of tribute to him. Here we go:

You stated:
George Bush does NOT = America, genius. Criticising Bush is not “criticizing America”.

You are not only against Bush but against a huge portion of the American population. Want proof? In your own words:

“You are not one of the mindless “sheeple” who don’t think for themselves, who swallow everything the government tells the media to tell you. You don’t think a military attack is an excuse to feel smug because you can wave your little flag around and puff out your chest and act all bad-ass.”

That takes care of what you think about people who supported our efforts in this war.

“Goldberg
Your comment suggests that you are conservative not because you have wrestled with both sides of the issues, but because you are narrow-minded or uninformed.”

Here’s your opinion of Conservatives in general.

“That may not be true, but your comment does suggest you lack perspective and the power to reason.”

Another “gentle” reminder of how you view Conservatives.

“It’s one thing to form opinions based on reasoning, it’s another to have opinions because you don’t understand the complexities of various issues.”

Number three, lumpy.

“The UN resolutions do not give the US the power to declare war.”

Thanks, but the un does not determine when we can declare war. Anyone here want to be subject to the whims of a self-serving council like the un? lumpy, put your hand down.

“As far as Saddam “deciding to act like a tough guy” (I think that was your comment) he has ALWAYS acted like a tough guy. The US put him in a no-win situation, because the hawks in the Bush cabinet have been planning the overthrow of Saddam for years (before Bush was elected they were discussing it).”

Is this kind of like “a vast right-wing conspiracy?” Wait, I think that was an indictment against both Bush and his whole cabinet. Your web of criticism is spreading rapidly, lumpy.

“This kind of God Bless America crap almost always comes out when we are bombing the shit out of some country.”

My personal “favorite.” This one was close to being called a “nazi fuckhead” for me. Those of us who have served our country take maximum umbrage at lumpy for this one. “God Bless America” is most definetly not crap. Oh, there’s the indictment against Patriots and people who support America in general.

“It looks like we are heading towards a police state and Fascism over here, so I’m sure you will have a bright future”

Apparently the Republicans are “facists.” They also believe in a police state. Wasn’t it billy boy who introduced 100,000 more police?

“Actually, there are reports that “high-ranking” administration officials were warned of an impending attack on the US, possibly even Bush himself. The implication being that administration officials failed to act on tipsin a way that might have prevented (or at least minimized) the massive damage.”

Another one that shows lumpy’s “moderate” stance. So Republicans allowed September 11th to happen? Are you getting the feeling that this guy needs medication?

“If the lyrics are about violence or “thug life”, so what.”

lumpy=family values.

“If we don’t want Iraq to have weapons, we shouldn’t have sold them the arms in the first place. The Republicans are the big winners here… their buddies in the weapons contracting business (where many Republican officials go after leaving office) make a ton of money, as well as the pumped up military budget and graft at the Pentagon. What a great scam!!! First, you sell them the weapons. Then a few years later, you confiscate them all, and blow a bunch of shit up. Brilliant!”

Republicans caused the former iraqi regime and all it’s evils. It was all some sort of “vast Right Wing Conspiracy” to sell more weapons.

The next Moore documentary will supposedly show the documented links between the Bush and Bin Laden families
Did you know that Neill Bush (savings & loan scandal) was supposed to have dinner with Hinckley’s brother the day after the Reagan asassination attempt? (George Bush Sr, was VP and would have become president if Reagan had died). Things that make you go “hmmm”."

Maybe two medicines. The ties between Bush and bin laden. What a tick? I thought they didn’t like each other much? Oh, I get it, bin laden was on the whole “cause the war so we can sell the weapons gig.” lumpy, it’s all starting to make sense. Maybe the reason we can’t find bin laden is that he isn’t in Afghanistan at all. He’s having cocktail parties in the Lincoln Bedroom. The stink of it is, he’s staying on your tax dollars (oops, wrong administration).
Oh, if we aren’t in power, we might as well assassinate Ronald Reagan to get it. lumpy, the world is becoming much clearer.
In summary, thank you for your efforts. You’ve broadened my horizons with your impartiality. I’ll be sure to distrust everyone who isn’t a liberal democrat. hillary in 2004!!!

Arrrgghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! Frustration!!! Okay mild entertainment too. But damn this is insane. Hey lumpy, US=GG, Iscariot, Cupcake and Dustin…do you guys like a nice tight pussy? That’s about the only thing I can think of that you will all agree on. Unless one of you is gay? I need a setative!!! :frowning:

I think it’s usgg.

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

And what do you mean “mild entertainment”? There is fucking GOLD contained in this here thread, did you miss the “Underoos”?..that alone is worth the price of admission. I mean when was the last time you got a Underoos reference for free?

Not to mention the “Needle Nose Pliers, Apollo Creed and The Boston Tea Party”.

Fuck, some people are hard to please.

'Cake

[quote]restless,
If you don’t like either me or my ideas, I must be both a Good Guy and 100% right in my convictions. Thanks for the validation. [/quote]

Restless buddy,
US=Blind deference to authority
Seems to believe that as long as you and he are on opposite sides that makes him right. If you tell him to do something he should ensure that he doesn’t.

Perhaps you should tell him not to do the world a favour and that he shouldn’t go lay across the bus lane. . .

Cupcake:
You wanted validation for the underoos comment and I’ll provide it, that was pure gold (well, more of a gold plated pewter but it’s still pretty and shiny).

STU

Hell Arcane, what’s your problem?

Dustin and I haven’t said jack shit lately, other than discussin Nazi history over on the Propaganda 101 thread.

US=GG is being polite [even by my standards]

and Cupcake is being…well…cake-like
[and who could ask for anything more.

and as for Lumpy, I think he’s just trying to see if he can get US=GG’s head to implode.

honest injun we’re playing nice mum…

Lumpy said:

“I have to wonder if US=GG is not an alter-ego of some other forumite, who thinks that his reactionary viewpoints need to be stated under an alias?”

Yep, US=GG and Cupcake are the same person.

(Am I in trouble now?)

Mage, I have been meaning to post on just such a point for several months now, but kept changing my mind. I figured it was none of my business. Not so sure I feel that way anymore. I have managed to unmask another prominent forumite hiding behind a different identity. Curious…

…might also explain his reluctance to post a picture and the bizarre statement

“My physical stats are as stated. I am not a teenager. Beyond that, I am not willing to elaborate. I will not post a pic at this time. Forget the reverse psychology. I have my reasons and will leave it at that.”

Reasons, eh? I’ll say.

Mage, cgb, others:
The voices, they get so loud some time. Sometimes I just have to scream, “My God, how can you say the war wasn’t justified?!?” How much proof do you need of both intent and inevitability. I mean, my God, he paid terrorists’ families!!! He decorated his palace with September 11th shots.
In all seriousness, I treat all of my multiple personalities with respect. I would never call one of them a “nazi fuckhead.” When I post, I take a poll of my personalities. What you see is their consensus. I am one, big walking reuters poll.
With even more seriousness, I liked how cupcake put it in his last post. We are butting heads to see who is the Alpha Male. He has his adherents and I have mine. It’s a struggle for domination. Someday, I hope to have a plaque that reads, “Bested the anti-Americans, democrats, and jealous foreigners.” I’ll treasure it.

“My God, how can you say the war wasn’t justified?!?” How much proof do you need of both intent and inevitability. I mean, my God, he paid terrorists’ families!!! "

So fucking what? Does that entitle your country to go there and kill a few more thousands of innocents? You want the terrorists? Go after them. But don’t call your murderous incursion into Iraq a justified battle against terrorism because anyone with half a brain knows what it was/is.

US=GG: the day you become the alpha male on this forum is the day your the only one left on it.

us=gg, you know we have no politcal disagreements. I agree with most of your points and I stand behind you on your support for your government. We differ on how we appraoch other members of the forum, how we treat them, how we show respect. Other than that, I’m certain we could be friends.

Magnus,

Best post anyone has put on this thread yet. . .

STU