Insomnia Since Starting TRT

Hit up your doc for a different AI, tell him how the aromasin makes you feel, it shouldn’t be a big deal. Aromasin is generally regarded as the better option, but you body doesn’t like it.

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I didn’t get on with the arimidex either haha! I’m not a cut and shut case I’m afraid!

Yes, lower the dose. I’m seeing that high T level now. Amazing it’s so high on such a low dose. I’d go 35mg e3d. See how you feel in a few weeks and reconsider going to 30mg.

Refresh my memory: were you on weekly shots?

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Wow! You read my mind, I was just calculating 35mg and 30mg every 3 days!

Yes, I was on 40mg every 3.5 days for this test which was 4 weeks after switching from 50mg of Sus every 3.5 days. My thoughts are Sus was still in my system when these bloods were taken.

FOOLISHLY last week (before I received my labs) I had been feeling really tired so I ASSUMED my T levels were low and bumped it up to 50mg of test E every 3.5 days… this is probably why I feel awful right now!!

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Check this video out bro

Have you looked up the half life plateau on your new injections compared to the older?

Man I bet this waiting games getting old, but you definitely want to wait til you are 100% stable on the new dose and maybe wait another couple weeks to see what it does to estrogen.

Or jsut switch to my preferred method (scrotul cream) and almost guarantee much lower estrogen and higher free t ratios. It’s not a maybe. You will convert less to e2 and more to DHT where when injections you convert more to e2 and less to DHT.

Just a thought. You have dealt with this for months and I’m sure I’ve said this before :slight_smile:

Thanks for the video, I watched the first 20 minutesand will watch the rest later… VERY INTERESTING!!!

The half life of Enanthate is 4.5 days I believe.

You are right that I don’t give protocols enough time but that’s because I never feel good. My high E2 has got to be because I am injecting too much T, more than my body can handle.

I am now going to try 30mg every 3 days and see how I feel at this, this would equate to 72mg weekly, an 8mg drop in dose, it’s not a lot but the increased frequency may help.

Hey check this out, have a play around…

http://steroidcalc.com

Sustanon 9 days half life, stays in the body for up to 3 weeks

We have to balance negatives and positives when we make changes to protocol.

Even if you get the estrogen down to the 30s and those sides go away you will then lack benefit from trt becusse free t is on the low end.

Most men need their free t around 20 and some can be down at 15… but many many men will benefit from a 20+. Especially younger men.

This is why I wouldn’t keep dropping the dose. You have made many changes and have given it your best to try and control your TRt without an ai, but there comes a time where you are out of options. For me this is a great example of when ai could be used.

The only thing you haven’t tried is the cream.

Personally I would keep my dose and stay at a higher free t and take a small dose of ai. Maybe take a .125 and split in half twice a week. If that doesn’t work take it once next week in one sitting.

Or try some DIM or daily zinc? Not sure how much but I’m sure we can optimize the liver and that should help.

Don’t make it harder than it needs to be brother. You won’t be on 1mg a week or anything.

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The AI side effects I cannot tolerate, I’m really sensitive to them. I do have some DIM but I don’t know how to use it, I don’t want to crash my E2 by taking too much

There are tables showing the dose comparison or alternative from each ai. I agree jsut do the small dose ai

You won’t. Jsut start slow and small.

Or take a very small amount of ai. You probably won’t crash on a small dose. Some do but they recover quick. It’s when you stay low for long periods that you create a living hell.

Or Maybe take 20% of the recommended dose of dim.

You will notice the sides Leaving you and that’s where you hve to figure out a stable dose they will keep you there.

I would not drop dose at all.

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I have 1mg anastrozole tablets, how do I dose this , dissolve in vodka and then take an 1/8 of the solution 0.125 twice a week?

And… will 0.125mg actually do anything???

You can cut them with a razor blade or pill cutter, but dissolving in vodka would make the dose a little more accurate. .125 drops my number like a lead weight, but I’m an over-responder. YMMV.

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See, this is what I’m worried about, I don’t know whether to use the AI or give the lower dose a crack first, although I’m not sure how dropping my dosage a bit will dramatically bring my E2 down. I wish I knew what to do to get it right.

Lowering your dose is unlikely to have any dramatic effect on your E2. I posted a study in another thread about SHBG and how it binds - or doesn’t bind things. Are you deficient in zinc or calcium?

I wouldn’t know about this, these kind of tests are not readily available in the UK.

I’m just wondering if I should bite the bullet and try the anastrozole and keep my dosage the same as @enackers suggested.
Do I take the anastrozole 0.125 twice a week or once a week?

I would try it, if it were me. And a serum calcium test is pretty basic and available there, as is ionized calcium I’m quite sure. Blood tests for zinc are famously pointless, the best test for it is to buy some zinc assay and swirl a little bit around in your mouth. Google “Zinc Assay Test”.

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Most give .25 twice a week. Take it today .125 and again in 3 or 4 days if no resolution of sides. Once you reach 10 days I believe you are having a steady stream in your body. From there you have to make a judgement call as to how much is needed. It’s not easy and why you tried everything else before doing this.

Keep in mind you are taking baby doses. Nothing like the doses that give men osteoporosis and heart issues.
Those guys are taking 1mg daily, eod or sometimes once weekly.

I hear it works quick on some folks and slower on others. Watch out for crackly joints and other signs

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