You weren’t taking enough of either. The Sustanon dose was too low, and the enanthate too. I find that everything is higher on cypionate/enanthate than a similar dose of Sustanon, T is higher and so is E2. If you aromatise a lot you might have to use a little AI for a while until that subsides.
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Thanks for the input, I did actually have decent T levels on 100mg of Sustanon, the only reason I swapped was to try and bring my E2 into line. I hear Enanthate is suppose to be a lot smoother…
Sustanon really works better if you take the whole amp at once and then space you next shot out from there. Every two weeks, every ten days, something like that, because it’s a blend of esters of varying half-life. It is not readily available in the US so most guys on here will not know much about it first-hand. It is not ideal, it is kind of a cookie cutter dosing that works great for some but terrible for others. Dividing the amp means dividing the efficacy of the short life esters, and it takes a while to build up the longer esters in your system. Single ester test is much easier to dose and work with, there are less moving parts. The benefit to Sustanon is that you get more of a bridge from nothing to stable serum levels, but the reality is a bit of a jump immediately after injection that will wane over the next few days once you have hit stable levels of the long ester. It is nice to use initially in conjunction with a single ester until the single ester has reached equilibrium in your system.
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Ok thanks, I will up the dose of Enanthate to 50mg E3.5D and see if things start to improve. I do aramotase a lot which is why I take the smaller doses, I may have to bite the bullet and take an AI for a while as you suggested, I didn’t want to but I don’t want to be running high E2 long term, I also don’t want to go back to having no energy and libido with the low dose T
It is what it is. I used one for a while, now I don’t need it now. It’s not the end of the world, it won’t kill you or cause a zombie apocalypse.
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Will the Enanthate take a while to build up in my system?
Anytime a change is made expext sides and ups and downs until stable and only then realize if it’s good or bad. It sucks but hard to say otherwise.
What’s the half life on both of these esters?
I’ve noticed guys who start the scrotul cream find tons of libido and that is because it creates more DHT than the injections. Maybe new ester is releasing slower and needs more time to build up the dose and thus the e2 and DHT aren’t peaking in blood stream yet. Jusr food for
thought . Or as someone else said maybe e2 is low.
Also depending on half life is 6 weeks a good period for this Test you switched to! I will look up the half life’s when I get free or if you share .
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Mate thanks for bringing the nose thing to my attention, I saw an ENT specialist this week and he has suggested surgery. My nostrils collapse when I breathe in and my passages are really narrow which could potentially be the cause of my headaches especially after exercise. This forum never ceases to amaze me, you guys are so clued up! Thanks again.
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Great. At least you have some HOPE as to a fix.
I swear there is something more beneficial to breathing through one’s nose as opposed to the mouth. Like oxygen permeates the mucus linings in the navel cavity or something that helps things.
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Hey lads, did you ever come across this website before? Very interesting
I’m waiting for my labs to return, if E2 is still high then I’m considering going EOD
@roscoe88 @hardartery @enackers @bmbrady77
Hi guys, sorry to keep bugging you but I seriously need help.
My latest bloods, I switched from 50mg of Sus250 every 3.5 days to 40mg of Enanthate every 3.5 days, these are 4 weeks after the switch and my testosterone is the highest it’s been along with the E2, how can this be on a lower dose? Maybe the Sus was still in my system topped up by the Enanthate, any theories would be welcome!!
I seriously need to get this E2 under control
what is my next move???
E2 = 57
Testosterone = 933
These are my latest results.
Looks like you have room to drop test even more. OR you could break up shots a bit more.
When I went to daily shots, my e2 dropped significantly.
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I have been considering every other day.
Please give me both scenarios in your opinion:
Twice weekly shots dosage?
EOD dosage?
I knew something was wrong, my anxiety is through the roof!
Any help is appreciated mate
You’re doing 80mg a week split right now I believe
I would try something like 24mg EOD and see how you feel. I personally felt great on an EOD protocol… but my e2 rose to 49. So maybe the increase in e2 helped me.
When I dropped to daily, my e2 dropped to 20, and I felt emotionally numb.
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I really don’t know whether to try EOD or go the less invasive route of lowering my dose again and sticking to twice weekly injections.
I’m six months in now and still feel like crap, I should have made headway by now.
I really don’t know what to do for the best.
The long ester from the sustanon is certainly still in your system for starters. Secondly, 40 mg of E or C is definitely more test than 50 sustanon over the span of a week or more. The sustanon peaks about day 3 and kind of falls off a cliff in many ways, only a small portion of the shot is long ester. You have a much greater continuous dose on the E or C as opposed to a surge and drop with the sustanon. That’s why guys running a cycle with sustanon inject it every 2 days. It’s also why I really am not in favour of divided dosing with sustanon. You may have to bite the bullet and use an AI for a while. It is what it is. It won’t bring on the zombie apocalypse, it’s managing one synthetic with another short term until you adjust to the synthetic. (Insert the words “Bio-identical” if it makes you feel better)
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Thanks for the explanation, much appreciated.
Would you add the AI and lower the dose? Maybe this would tank my E2?
I was kinda hoping I could reduce dose again without the use of an AI.
I need to do something because I feel like crap 
I would change one thing at a time. Either lower the dose, OR start some AI. Personally, I would lean towards very low dose AI. In my case it was unnecessary inside of 6 months but I inflated like an inner tube initially.
I suggest this partially because it will help faster than cutting dose, and partially because I think you are going to end up there anyway.
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I’m not holding any water that I’m aware of but my anxiety levels are ridiculous and I’m getting hot flushes.
I’ve got aromasin, people are telling me 6.25mg every 4 days, are you aware of this drug and dosing? (Hey thanks for your advice)
I agree with @hardartery and wouldn’t mess with injection quite yet as you may still have the sustanon in there. Also where you just switched 4 weeks ago you may settle in better in a few weeks.
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