My old coach used to say that losing a fight due to lack of cardio would be the worst way to lose. It is the one variable in the boxing ring you have the most control over.
@bapoleon
Seriously, lose weight. Do you have a target weight class? At 5’6" if you fight at your current weight you are going to fight guys with a 6" longer reach than you and you will get trounced, regardless of cardio preparedness. I would focus on getting down to 190 is and fighting somewhere around 175-185.
That, and it’s different energy systems. Unless its truly pushing the envelope of intensity, cardio conditioning really only requires the replacement of lost substrate.
I’ve joked a bit about it previously, but it literally takes a glass of water and a bag of potato chips, and about 24 hours rest to be right back to chipper.
Dude yes I did. Sorry. I just had to really ask the question. I’m sorry.
Yeah, it seems the verdict is clear with you, Skyzyks, Jagga2 and Hardartery. And I’ll follow the advice.
I was just really hopeful that there might be a good justification for heavy squatting for my purposes. There isn’t…
The plan is clear now. Thanks everyone.
I get this, man. Truly. A few years into training martial arts is when I started getting interested in the barbell. I went hard with all kinds of different training and it helped for a while, but I ultimately had to choose martial arts as the priority because I couldn’t keep up with both.
My weight training for a long time boiled down to 3 major exercises: full cleans, dips (weighted and BW) and heavy farmers walks. That’s it. I did some band work here and there to keep my joints feeling good, but otherwise no other heavy lifts. This was done twice a week, with a heavy day and a light day (heavy cleans one day with rep work for dips, and reverse on the other day).
I made the best progress of my martial arts career ever during this time, but it wouldn’t have happened without setting ONE thing as my priority.
If you still want to squat heavy, have one week be your heavy squat week with lighter work for your clean variations, then swap them the next week.
The other thing to remember is that MOST classes with end up giving you some kind of “workout” either at the start or end of class. This’ll be stuff like lunges, BW squats, push-ups, sit-ups, etc. Having 3-4 days of weights WITH boxing training IN ADDITION TO BW conditioning stuff during those boxing classes will destroy you quickly.
Right on man!
Looking forward to seeing you rock somebody with a seismic hook.
Considering how short I am, it’s likely that my first ever real knockout is gonna be a seismic close-range hook because at 5’6, I will need to get in close. lol
Nothing wrong with that. You have to fight your own fight. If you can’t out reach a lanky opponent, then don’t. Make him fight yours.
If you spent a whole block super focussed on squatting, you didn’t train intelligently, as @Voxel stated
Intelligent training would involve aiming to improve maximal strength, endurance and power with the least fatigue possible. Anytime you train where any one quality regresses significantly is stupid training, perhaps with the exception of fight camp leading into a real fight.
I know this is where @kdjohn and I disagree, but @hardartery and I NEVER SAID DON’T SQUAT HEAVY
Train your lower body for maximal strength at THE LOWEST VOLUME YOU CAN TOLERATE so that your programming can focus on power and conditioning.
Still train heavy, max strength is the foundation of power, but accept that you’ll probably never squat or need to squat over 450/200kg to be a good boxer
To be picky, I never said he couldn’t or shouldn’t squat heavy, my point was more that he doesn’t need to focus on squatting heavy if boxing is the goal. My message probably got lost in my coaching rage.
But yeah, squat heavy. Just don’t make it a priority over other stuff.
100% agreement 
Preach on brother. But, then again, I will lift heavy to my own detriment.
Either way, I don’t think I’d ever want to step in a ring with you haha
My Great-grandfather was Golden Gloves, and I have played hockey. I don’t know if that counts for anything at all, but i can lay claim to it.
Someone said being out of shape was the worst way to lose and it made me laugh. I remember losing a wrestling match in college when I had a lead because the other guy was in better shape than me - nobody talked to me when I came back over! I definitely committed a sin.
That was impactful enough I still remember it. Get in shape, my man!
Is “Golden Gloves” in general basically Olympic boxing as it is, regardless of level? The same way we use the term “Olympic Lifting” for people who train that way regardless of whether they compete in the Olympics or not? Or is Golden Gloves actually a title or an indication of achievement?
Just FYI, for anyone who spent time offering worthwhile advice on this thread, every single bit of it was completely ignored.
YUP.
For anyone too lazy to find his new plan:
Yesterday, Monday, October 26, 2020…
Squat PR. 335 pounds for 3 sets of 3 reps. Tried 345 by 3 and failed at the last rep.
In some other thread, I said that I’ve resolved to do boxing-specific training. Lots of people contributed in that thread. I hate to go against what they said as they really did try to help me. I’m so sorry guys. I just cannot abandon frequent heavy squatting YET. I will, eventually, for the sake of boxing-specific training. But I wanna spend at least one whole training block dedicated to pure strength development on the quadriceps and posterior chain. I’m procrastinating even though it pains me to admit it. So anyway…
After those squats, I did some cable pulldowns with a neutral grip handle for five sets of like eight reps each. Then seated rows for five sets of like eight reps each. I wasn’t really meticulously counting the reps, but I got a general idea on where I am with them. For the pulldowns, it was 135 pounds. For the seated cable rows, it was 105 pounds.
I already designed a program for this whole thing. And by “whole thing”, I meant anything that is not the daily squatting. So for three days a week, last day being the true heavy day, after squats I do clean-pulls for a top set of five and standing overhead press for a top set of five. I was actually supposed to do some light lifting with those movements this day, but decided not to. I’m just gonna save my energy on Friday.
I do some exercises on the muscles that are not heavily hit with those “big three”.
So for boxing, I think I should just get my squat up, and work on having a good number on three sets of twenty reps of squats. That’s my umm… That’s my cardio. I think it’s enough cardio. I wanna think it’s enough for cardio. If not, I will suffer with my silly ignorance when I enter a boxing gym for the first time. Until then, I’m gonna work hard and lift heavy. And then squat 3x20 with a good weight, believing it’s enough for whatever endurance I’d need in the ring…
Wish me luck, folks. Thanks.