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[quote]Itchy wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:

hyperbole is also a sign of someone trying to stoke a really weak argument.

Agree. HH’s argument is asinine and short-sighted. But in following his skewed logic, why do you choose to live in a country that “forces” you to give “your” money to others in need? Stop bitching and move somewhere else.

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I can only assume they can CHOOSE to live in a country that sticks a gun in their face to take their money but it is not ok to CHOOSE to live near water at all.

I don’t get why people like this don’t simply take all of their “wealth” and create their own country. Why be a part of a society when you despise…being a part of a society?

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That whole self-responsability argument (It’s YOUR fault for living in a hurricane zone) just reminds me alot of Osama Bin Ladin’s philosophy that Americans are all fair game since they CHOOSE to live inside the USA.

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[quote]Itchy wrote:
That whole self-responsability argument (It’s YOUR fault for living in a hurricane zone) just reminds me alot of Osama Bin Ladin’s philosophy that Americans are all fair game since they CHOOSE to live inside the USA.[/quote]

In 2006, there were an estimated 299,398,484 people living in the United States. How insane does someone have to be to think this country can support a population that large without any of those people living in areas that are risky at all?

Since when did Ohio and Indiana become free of risk of natural disaster?

Why do people who have never lost EVERYTHING try to tell those who have how to deal with it?

Would these same people hold this same attitude if they woke up homeless without any finances?

People threw themselves out of buildings during the last Great Depression. I can only assume these people in this thread would bounce.

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[quote]RSGZ wrote:
AynRandLuvr wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
AynRandLuvr wrote:
And none of you asshats ansered the question of why the rest of us have to pay because you choose to live where you do. stealing other peoples tax money so you can live on the Hurricane Coast makes you all scum.

You and HH are a pair of selfish and ignorant fucking morons.

I hope you don’t give to charities because you are a hypocrate of the highest kind.

Fail. You still failed as to why people in Indiana should be forced at gunpoint to surrender their wealth to help those who choose to live in higher risk areas. They should pay for their own repairs. To do otherwise is being parasites.

Someone stuck a gun in your face and forced you to give them money?[/quote]

Its called an IRS agent. “Pay or we’ll take your home, business, savings, 401-k. We will strip you bare and leave you nothing.” You have heard of these fine folk I’m guessing? They will happily leave you homeless and, in this case, use your life’s work to rebuild homes for people who like to live with hurricanes. Or in cities below sea level. Or on resort islands.

The fact that you people think this is fair and that I’m wrong is shocking. This IS America, right?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Itchy wrote:
That whole self-responsability argument (It’s YOUR fault for living in a hurricane zone) just reminds me alot of Osama Bin Ladin’s philosophy that Americans are all fair game since they CHOOSE to live inside the USA.

In 2006, there were an estimated 299,398,484 people living in the United States. How insane does someone have to be to think this country can support a population that large without any of those people living in areas that are risky at all?

Since when did Ohio and Indiana become free of risk of natural disaster?

Why do people who have never lost EVERYTHING try to tell those who have how to deal with it?

Would these same people hold this same attitude if they woke up homeless without any finances?

People threw themselves out of buildings during the last Great Depression. I can only assume these people in this thread would bounce.[/quote]

I guess I have to go ahead and say it. I never said that you should not live in high risk areas. I said that you should do so on your OWN RESPONSIBILITY.

If your house fell down, do you demand that your neighbors give you money to help rebuild? No. But I’m a stranger to all you people and you demand that our government take money from myself and others and give it to you. You don’t demand of your neighbors but demand of everyone else.

Such logic is the logic of looters.

http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=index

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[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Itchy wrote:
That whole self-responsability argument (It’s YOUR fault for living in a hurricane zone) just reminds me alot of Osama Bin Ladin’s philosophy that Americans are all fair game since they CHOOSE to live inside the USA.

In 2006, there were an estimated 299,398,484 people living in the United States. How insane does someone have to be to think this country can support a population that large without any of those people living in areas that are risky at all?

Since when did Ohio and Indiana become free of risk of natural disaster?

Why do people who have never lost EVERYTHING try to tell those who have how to deal with it?

Would these same people hold this same attitude if they woke up homeless without any finances?

People threw themselves out of buildings during the last Great Depression. I can only assume these people in this thread would bounce.

I guess I have to go ahead and say it. I never said that you should not live in high risk areas. I said that you should do so on your OWN RESPONSIBILITY.

If your house fell down, do you demand that your neighbors give you money to help rebuild? No. But I’m a stranger to all you people and you demand that our government take money from myself and others and give it to you. You don’t demand of your neighbors but demand of everyone else.

Such logic is the logic of looters.

http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=index

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x2. Good post!

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[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Itchy wrote:
That whole self-responsability argument (It’s YOUR fault for living in a hurricane zone) just reminds me alot of Osama Bin Ladin’s philosophy that Americans are all fair game since they CHOOSE to live inside the USA.

In 2006, there were an estimated 299,398,484 people living in the United States. How insane does someone have to be to think this country can support a population that large without any of those people living in areas that are risky at all?

Since when did Ohio and Indiana become free of risk of natural disaster?

Why do people who have never lost EVERYTHING try to tell those who have how to deal with it?

Would these same people hold this same attitude if they woke up homeless without any finances?

People threw themselves out of buildings during the last Great Depression. I can only assume these people in this thread would bounce.

I guess I have to go ahead and say it. I never said that you should not live in high risk areas. I said that you should do so on your OWN RESPONSIBILITY.

If your house fell down, do you demand that your neighbors give you money to help rebuild? No. But I’m a stranger to all you people and you demand that our government take money from myself and others and give it to you. You don’t demand of your neighbors but demand of everyone else.

Such logic is the logic of looters.

http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=index
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No, the first question asked of you was specifically how much “wealth” you have given.

Please answer the question.

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[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
AynRandLuvr wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
AynRandLuvr wrote:
And none of you asshats ansered the question of why the rest of us have to pay because you choose to live where you do. stealing other peoples tax money so you can live on the Hurricane Coast makes you all scum.

You and HH are a pair of selfish and ignorant fucking morons.

I hope you don’t give to charities because you are a hypocrate of the highest kind.

Fail. You still failed as to why people in Indiana should be forced at gunpoint to surrender their wealth to help those who choose to live in higher risk areas. They should pay for their own repairs. To do otherwise is being parasites.

Someone stuck a gun in your face and forced you to give them money?

Its called an IRS agent. “Pay or we’ll take your home, business, savings, 401-k. We will strip you bare and leave you nothing.” You have heard of these fine folk I’m guessing? They will happily leave you homeless and, in this case, use your life’s work to rebuild homes for people who like to live with hurricanes. Or in cities below sea level. Or on resort islands.

The fact that you people think this is fair and that I’m wrong is shocking. This IS America, right?

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Oh, you are right about that. This is America. The same country many men and women give their lives to protect so that you can sit on your computer in your “never before ravaged by a natural disaster” home and type what you have.

It is the same country that we all work together in to create a society.

If you do not like that idea, please, find a new home.

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[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:

I guess I have to go ahead and say it. I never said that you should not live in high risk areas. I said that you should do so on your OWN RESPONSIBILITY.

If your house fell down, do you demand that your neighbors give you money to help rebuild? No. But I’m a stranger to all you people and you demand that our government take money from myself and others and give it to you. You don’t demand of your neighbors but demand of everyone else.

Such logic is the logic of looters.

http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=index
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Last time I checked, my neighbors were still required to pay taxes, just like me. Just like you. It’s interesting how you keep saying you are giving YOUR money to us. It’s also interesting how you only want to argue using metaphors.

Logic of looters? Please explain, if you can.

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You guys seem to think this is a one way street.

Think, if this happened to you…you’d be getting the same help and you’d be damn well appreciative of it.

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[quote]RSGZ wrote:
You guys seem to think this is a one way street.

Think, if this happened to you…you’d be getting the same help and you’d be damn well appreciative of it.[/quote]

The thing is, all of those people who lost homes were paying taxes as well so how is it “his” money?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
You guys seem to think this is a one way street.

Think, if this happened to you…you’d be getting the same help and you’d be damn well appreciative of it.

The thing is, all of those people who lost homes were paying taxes as well so how is it “his” money?[/quote]

This is true.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
AynRandLuvr wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Itchy wrote:
That whole self-responsability argument (It’s YOUR fault for living in a hurricane zone) just reminds me alot of Osama Bin Ladin’s philosophy that Americans are all fair game since they CHOOSE to live inside the USA.

In 2006, there were an estimated 299,398,484 people living in the United States. How insane does someone have to be to think this country can support a population that large without any of those people living in areas that are risky at all?

Since when did Ohio and Indiana become free of risk of natural disaster?

Why do people who have never lost EVERYTHING try to tell those who have how to deal with it?

Would these same people hold this same attitude if they woke up homeless without any finances?

People threw themselves out of buildings during the last Great Depression. I can only assume these people in this thread would bounce.

I guess I have to go ahead and say it. I never said that you should not live in high risk areas. I said that you should do so on your OWN RESPONSIBILITY.

If your house fell down, do you demand that your neighbors give you money to help rebuild? No. But I’m a stranger to all you people and you demand that our government take money from myself and others and give it to you. You don’t demand of your neighbors but demand of everyone else.

Such logic is the logic of looters.

http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=index

No, the first question asked of you was specifically how much “wealth” you have given.

Please answer the question.[/quote]

I’ll answer if you agree to say that its right to rob strangers because you want to live where you do. But you’ve already done that, so here:

Last year, I paid just over $28,000 in federal tax. I paid about $7,000 in state income tax. Now add in real estate and personal property tax. This was not ‘given’ from me but taken against my will.

Now sir, find where I said you should not live wherever you want. My point is that you are free to live where you want but don’t demand others to come and bail you out. Unless you agree with Bush and want to bail out Lehman Brothers, JP Morgan, and all that crowd. If bailouts are good, then I take it you support Bush’s plan? Thought not.

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[quote]RSGZ wrote:
Professor X wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
You guys seem to think this is a one way street.

Think, if this happened to you…you’d be getting the same help and you’d be damn well appreciative of it.

The thing is, all of those people who lost homes were paying taxes as well so how is it “his” money?

This is true.[/quote]

So the ideal society is one where everyone’s income is at the call of someone else? You were robbed so its okay to rob someone else? How civilised of you.

I don’t expect others to live for me. I don’t expect or want to use government to force others to help pay for my mistakes. I don’t whine and weedle out of my errors.

I know that being a man is tough. It is far easier to be a crafty weasel and shift burdens onto others. I won’t do it. My morality forbids it.

You folks don’t need to invoke morality; you need to discover it.

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[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:

I’ll answer if you agree to say that its right to rob strangers because you want to live where you do. But you’ve already done that, so here:[/quote]

What? Rob strangers? Those people were paying taxes as well so how did they ROB you?

No, sir, I want to know specifically how much you paid for this disaster. I pay taxes as well, probably more than you do.

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[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
Professor X wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
You guys seem to think this is a one way street.

Think, if this happened to you…you’d be getting the same help and you’d be damn well appreciative of it.

The thing is, all of those people who lost homes were paying taxes as well so how is it “his” money?

This is true.

So the ideal society is one where everyone’s income is at the call of someone else? You were robbed so its okay to rob someone else? How civilised of you.

I don’t expect others to live for me. I don’t expect or want to use government to force others to help pay for my mistakes. I don’t whine and weedle out of my errors.

I know that being a man is tough. It is far easier to be a crafty weasel and shift burdens onto others. I won’t do it. My morality forbids it.

You folks don’t need to invoke morality; you need to discover it.
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This entire society pays taxes. You still have not told us why you CHOOSE to live in a country that has laws you disagree with to this degree.

Why not just move?

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[quote]Itchy wrote:
AynRandLuvr wrote:

I guess I have to go ahead and say it. I never said that you should not live in high risk areas. I said that you should do so on your OWN RESPONSIBILITY.

If your house fell down, do you demand that your neighbors give you money to help rebuild? No. But I’m a stranger to all you people and you demand that our government take money from myself and others and give it to you. You don’t demand of your neighbors but demand of everyone else.

Such logic is the logic of looters.

http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=index

Last time I checked, my neighbors were still required to pay taxes, just like me. Just like you. It’s interesting how you keep saying you are giving YOUR money to us. It’s also interesting how you only want to argue using metaphors.

Logic of looters? Please explain, if you can.
[/quote]

Simple. Since you choose to live in a high-risk area, you should pay more tax. You’ll use the system more than me. Why should I pay the same rate as you? You live on a resort island and scream for government to build you new roads, sewage, schools, and everything else. I live where a tornado destroys a gas station or barn silo once every 20 years.

Your tax rates should be far hire. Otherwise, you are looting. Fair is fair.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
AynRandLuvr wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
AynRandLuvr wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
AynRandLuvr wrote:
And none of you asshats ansered the question of why the rest of us have to pay because you choose to live where you do. stealing other peoples tax money so you can live on the Hurricane Coast makes you all scum.

You and HH are a pair of selfish and ignorant fucking morons.

I hope you don’t give to charities because you are a hypocrate of the highest kind.

Fail. You still failed as to why people in Indiana should be forced at gunpoint to surrender their wealth to help those who choose to live in higher risk areas. They should pay for their own repairs. To do otherwise is being parasites.

Someone stuck a gun in your face and forced you to give them money?

Its called an IRS agent. “Pay or we’ll take your home, business, savings, 401-k. We will strip you bare and leave you nothing.” You have heard of these fine folk I’m guessing? They will happily leave you homeless and, in this case, use your life’s work to rebuild homes for people who like to live with hurricanes. Or in cities below sea level. Or on resort islands.

The fact that you people think this is fair and that I’m wrong is shocking. This IS America, right?

Oh, you are right about that. This is America. The same country many men and women give their lives to protect so that you can sit on your computer in your “never before ravaged by a natural disaster” home and type what you have.

It is the same country that we all work together in to create a society.

If you do not like that idea, please, find a new home.[/quote]

But where should I go?..The moon seems like the only place where I can be disaster-free lol.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
AynRandLuvr wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
Professor X wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
You guys seem to think this is a one way street.

Think, if this happened to you…you’d be getting the same help and you’d be damn well appreciative of it.

The thing is, all of those people who lost homes were paying taxes as well so how is it “his” money?

This is true.

So the ideal society is one where everyone’s income is at the call of someone else? You were robbed so its okay to rob someone else? How civilised of you.

I don’t expect others to live for me. I don’t expect or want to use government to force others to help pay for my mistakes. I don’t whine and weedle out of my errors.

I know that being a man is tough. It is far easier to be a crafty weasel and shift burdens onto others. I won’t do it. My morality forbids it.

You folks don’t need to invoke morality; you need to discover it.

This entire society pays taxes. You still have not told us why you CHOOSE to live in a country that has laws you disagree with to this degree.

Why not just move?[/quote]

Because OBama promises to fix everything.

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[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:
Professor X wrote:
AynRandLuvr wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
Professor X wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
You guys seem to think this is a one way street.

Think, if this happened to you…you’d be getting the same help and you’d be damn well appreciative of it.

The thing is, all of those people who lost homes were paying taxes as well so how is it “his” money?

This is true.

So the ideal society is one where everyone’s income is at the call of someone else? You were robbed so its okay to rob someone else? How civilised of you.

I don’t expect others to live for me. I don’t expect or want to use government to force others to help pay for my mistakes. I don’t whine and weedle out of my errors.

I know that being a man is tough. It is far easier to be a crafty weasel and shift burdens onto others. I won’t do it. My morality forbids it.

You folks don’t need to invoke morality; you need to discover it.

This entire society pays taxes. You still have not told us why you CHOOSE to live in a country that has laws you disagree with to this degree.

Why not just move?

Because OBama promises to fix everything.

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Why do you keep skipping over that question of how much YOU spent on this disaster?

I really want to know. No one needed a break down of your income taxes. You do realize there are professionals who log in here, right? You aren’t speaking to a room filled with idiots.