If You Were King

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
By nature I’m a positive person. So, from this point forward I won’t think as much about Obama being reelected as I do about florelius not being king for six years.

YIKES!

You scared me there buddy…oh yeah…[/quote]

LOL

Most of my hypothical reforms are allready implemented in my country except some.
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Your free use of the word “nationalized” makes me appreciate Mass more than I did before. I joke this place is the Blue curtain, but we are A-Okay compared to your rule, lol.

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]spiderman739 wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:
if I where an all-powerfull king in the US I would do this:

  1. Make a 5 year plan to transition education( all kind ), health care, welfare( pensions, unemployment welfare, disability welfare ) to the states on the condition that the states have obligation to run it themself and make shure everyone of their citizens have acces to this entitlements. Part of this reform would also ensure that the states got more of the tax money.

  2. Nationalize all banks and create a system where the federal government and the states shared the control over the banks. Part of this reform would be to provide cheap student loans, house loans, business loans, but also to eliminate corrupt banking activity.

  3. Abortion reform modeled on the norwegian model( makes it legal untill some time in the pregnacy )

  4. Eliminate the death penalty in the entire USA.

  5. Drug policy reform: Legalize Cannabis and focus more on stopping the trafficking of heavier drugs like cocain, heroin etc. Also people who is found to posess an small amount of drugs of any kind are not to be sent to jail, but are instead fined.

  6. Tax Reform: Close all loopholes. both wage based and profit based income are taxed the same. I am stealing Zebs 20% flat tax rate since it sounds so clean and simple. everyone regardless of income pays an extra 5% where those 5% are going directly to pay off the debt. When the Debt is payed off, this debt tax will become a rainyday-fund tax.

  7. If private corporations threatens to outsource their corporations because of the increased taxes, their corporations will be nationalized to prevent people to lose jobs and to maintain a stable economy.

  8. Strict anti-corruption reforms will be implemented: Politicians who are found accepting money from lobbyists loses their seats in whatever house they are in. This rule concerns also all federal employees.

  9. Strict financial and enviromentalist regulations would be put in place.

  10. The war in afganistan will be ended as soon as possible and there will be no new military adventure
    in my reign. The US military will also be reformed to be a pure defence force.

  11. Gitmo will be closed and all the prisoners their will be trialed like an american citizen. If the court is a problem, I will set up a improvised court at Gitmo. Prisoners who are found guilty will serve their time on US soil in a special prison for ex-gitmo prisoners. Prisoners who are found innocent will be sent back to their homeland except in the situation their life is at stake doing so.

  12. Gay marriage will be Legalized.

  13. Maximum sentences time will be set to 20 years. This will save the prison system money and 20 years are a long enough time.

  14. All federal wages will have sealing at what today constitutes 200.000$ a year, Congress men and senators wages are set to no more than 100.000$ a year. This is to give money hungrey people less incentive to go into politics or get a job at the federal level.

  15. There will be an implementation of a 2 term rule, that means that after 2 terms any senator, congress man is out of the office.

  16. Labour union reform: Everyone have the right to unionize if they want and no employer( including states and the federal goverment ) can denie any one this right. Also it will be illegal to ask anyone if they are a union member in a job interwiew. Its offcourse also a persons right to be not unionized, but union shops stays.

  17. Democracy in the work place will be implemented: This means that no bussines can make changes to their workplace policys without asking their employees. If the mayority of their employees says no to change in policy then they are not allowed to implement it. Breaking of this rule will be considered a criminal act.

  18. Higher education reform: All public higher education is free and all students have the right to get a loan for living expenses. This loan is interrest free and for each full semester a person passes, half of that loan is erased. Also the re-payment plans for the loans will be based on a individuals income and will be adjusted each year.

  19. Natural resources such as oil, gas, coal etc will be nationalized and will be run by a corporation that are co-owned by all the states, the federal government and the employees of this corporation. The profits of this production will be split in three ways, 1 third to the employees, 1 third to the states and 1 third to the federal government.

  20. The patriot act will be repealed.

  21. Political commersials on televison and in cinemas will be made illegal. Also Commersials directed at children will also be made illegal.

  22. All states are obligated to provide shelter to the homeless. ( someone else said this and I liked the idea so I stole it )

  23. The electoral college will be eliminated and presidential elections after my reign will be determened by the popular vote alone. The principle here is one man one vote.

  24. If states issues ID voter laws they must also provide all citizens 18 and above of their state Voter ID free of charge.

  25. Electricity will also be nationalized since it is basickly part of the infrastructure.
    The states should be in charge of the electrity system within their states and they are obligated to keep the prices as low as possible.

I bet most of you are happy as fuck I am not your King :)[/quote]

Solid ideas.[/quote]

They’re solid, but I’m glad florelius isn’t all powerful in America…that’s for sure! I couldn’t support but a few of these. [/quote]

Just out of interrest what are the few you could support?[/quote]

Well I like:

#1: I prefer my government at the state level. Then I am free to move to a state I agree with (I’d definitely leave MD that’s for sure). This comes with the stipulation that as the states take on more the FED gives up some. I don’t want state govs to grow and the FED remain the same.

#8: I think earnings management, fraud, and other illegal acts could be dealt with better. We focus a lot on clean up (Enron/Worldcom = SOX). I think we should be more proactive in these areas.

#15: I’m all for term limits and think it should extend to the Judicial branch as well. Maybe 15 year terms or so.

#24: Got no problem with a state issued (paid via tax) of voter ID cards.

Maybe:

#9: depends on the regulation.

#10: Maybe, I’d have to be convinced that we would actually be able to defend ourselves if scale backs occur especially since the military is one of the few things the gov is supposed to use tax dollars on. I also think the U.S. should help those that can’t help themselves (The citizens of Iraq for example).

#6: Tax reform should occur, the only problem is the same people that create the tax laws now (Congress) will be the reformers. Seems to me the change would not necessarily be for the better.

#16: I’ve got no problem with people unionizing, but I think they have too much power now. I think unions are great in theory we can see from experience they aren’t always the best things. I’m also not for stripping power from small business and giving it to the union to abuse. A balance needs to be found.

#14: I think federal workers make a lot of money so I’m for limiting it in some ways. Not sure if I agree with you exactly though.

#19: Maybe and only because of the scarcity of fossil fuels. My concern; however, is that the gov will use fossil fuels to control us more so than they already do. I’d rather help pay for ExxonMobile private jets than Obama’s personal projects.

#25: See #19.

Against:

#2: No nationalized banks absolutely not.

#4: I’m for the death penalty. I’m actually for expanding it to include at least rape as a crime punishable by death.

#7: No national business ever! I cannot support that.

#11: Those at Gitmo are enemies of the state. They should be treated accordingly. I do think they should be treated fairly, but I don’t think closing Gitmo and opening Gitmo 2.0 is necessary. We own Gitmo and there’s nothing Cuba can do about it. Those there should not rot forever without a trial though. It’s un-American and disgraceful.

#13: I would consider ending life in prison, but only because I think most of the people that get life should have just got the death penalty.

#17: The work place isn’t a democracy. Small business owners take 100% of the risk and thus get to make the rules. If a worker doesn’t like it, well they can start their own business.

#18: I think less people should go to college not more. Look, it’s nice in concept, but not everyone should graduate from high school let alone college. There’s nothing wrong with that either. For some reason we think everyone needs to excel at school, but plenty of very intelligent people can learn a trade after finishing 9th grade and make a great living. A Bachelor’s degree is almost useless anymore.

Don’t Care:

#12: Doesn’t concern me. The states should offer civil contracts and it should be left to religion to perform marriage ceremonies. I believe God okay’s marriages unions not the state, but I also believe the state should not discriminate based on religion.

#5: Don’t care about drugs or drug users. Do whatever your heart desires just don’t ask me to feed you when you live in a card board box.

#21: Don’t really care how business/politicians advertise. Although I think the election commercials are a complete waste. I think parents should just tell their kids no.

Not Sure:

#3: I don’t know anything about your abortion model. I don’t agree with ours so I’m up for change.

#20: I’m not sure if all of the Patriot act should be repealed, but I’d have to look into and reflect on it.

#22: Lots of charities take care of the homeless. There are also programs they could use to get off the street; however, it’s easier said than done. I’m not necessarily opposed to it, but would want details before supporting it.

#23: Not educated enough to say either way.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I’ve seen repeal the 17th mentioned a few times, and by older wiser fellows.

Anyone care to go into more detail about why?[/quote]

It would bring the states back into the federal legislative process.

States would use the Senate to protect their own interests, and that would act as a strong check against the overreach of the federal gov’t.

Passage of the 17th is one of the biggest reasons the federal gov’t has grown into Leviathan over the past century, and it’s not talked about a whole lot.

To answer this question seriously, I would do the exact opposite of every imperator who has ever lived.

  1. I would work a real job and pay my own way.

  2. I would not hire thugs to take what is not mine.

  3. I would not make anyone kneel to authority.

  4. I would not make up rights for myself that could not be afforded to everyone equally.

If I were king you would not know I exist except if you were my neighbor and even still you would probably not know of my pedigree.

[quote]florelius wrote:
if I where an all-powerfull king in the US I would do this:

  1. Make a 5 year plan to transition education( all kind ), health care, welfare( pensions, unemployment welfare, disability welfare ) to the states on the condition that the states have obligation to run it themself and make shure everyone of their citizens have acces to this entitlements. Part of this reform would also ensure that the states got more of the tax money.

  2. Nationalize all banks and create a system where the federal government and the states shared the control over the banks. Part of this reform would be to provide cheap student loans, house loans, business loans, but also to eliminate corrupt banking activity.

  3. Abortion reform modeled on the norwegian model( makes it legal untill some time in the pregnacy )

  4. Eliminate the death penalty in the entire USA.

  5. Drug policy reform: Legalize Cannabis and focus more on stopping the trafficking of heavier drugs like cocain, heroin etc. Also people who is found to posess an small amount of drugs of any kind are not to be sent to jail, but are instead fined.

  6. Tax Reform: Close all loopholes. both wage based and profit based income are taxed the same. I am stealing Zebs 20% flat tax rate since it sounds so clean and simple. everyone regardless of income pays an extra 5% where those 5% are going directly to pay off the debt. When the Debt is payed off, this debt tax will become a rainyday-fund tax.

  7. If private corporations threatens to outsource their corporations because of the increased taxes, their corporations will be nationalized to prevent people to lose jobs and to maintain a stable economy.

  8. Strict anti-corruption reforms will be implemented: Politicians who are found accepting money from lobbyists loses their seats in whatever house they are in. This rule concerns also all federal employees.

  9. Strict financial and enviromentalist regulations would be put in place.

  10. The war in afganistan will be ended as soon as possible and there will be no new military adventure
    in my reign. The US military will also be reformed to be a pure defence force.

  11. Gitmo will be closed and all the prisoners their will be trialed like an american citizen. If the court is a problem, I will set up a improvised court at Gitmo. Prisoners who are found guilty will serve their time on US soil in a special prison for ex-gitmo prisoners. Prisoners who are found innocent will be sent back to their homeland except in the situation their life is at stake doing so.

  12. Gay marriage will be Legalized.

  13. Maximum sentences time will be set to 20 years. This will save the prison system money and 20 years are a long enough time.

  14. All federal wages will have sealing at what today constitutes 200.000$ a year, Congress men and senators wages are set to no more than 100.000$ a year. This is to give money hungrey people less incentive to go into politics or get a job at the federal level.

  15. There will be an implementation of a 2 term rule, that means that after 2 terms any senator, congress man is out of the office.

  16. Labour union reform: Everyone have the right to unionize if they want and no employer( including states and the federal goverment ) can denie any one this right. Also it will be illegal to ask anyone if they are a union member in a job interwiew. Its offcourse also a persons right to be not unionized, but union shops stays.

  17. Democracy in the work place will be implemented: This means that no bussines can make changes to their workplace policys without asking their employees. If the mayority of their employees says no to change in policy then they are not allowed to implement it. Breaking of this rule will be considered a criminal act.

  18. Higher education reform: All public higher education is free and all students have the right to get a loan for living expenses. This loan is interrest free and for each full semester a person passes, half of that loan is erased. Also the re-payment plans for the loans will be based on a individuals income and will be adjusted each year.

  19. Natural resources such as oil, gas, coal etc will be nationalized and will be run by a corporation that are co-owned by all the states, the federal government and the employees of this corporation. The profits of this production will be split in three ways, 1 third to the employees, 1 third to the states and 1 third to the federal government.

  20. The patriot act will be repealed.

  21. Political commersials on televison and in cinemas will be made illegal. Also Commersials directed at children will also be made illegal.

  22. All states are obligated to provide shelter to the homeless. ( someone else said this and I liked the idea so I stole it )

  23. The electoral college will be eliminated and presidential elections after my reign will be determened by the popular vote alone. The principle here is one man one vote.

  24. If states issues ID voter laws they must also provide all citizens 18 and above of their state Voter ID free of charge.

  25. Electricity will also be nationalized since it is basickly part of the infrastructure.
    The states should be in charge of the electrity system within their states and they are obligated to keep the prices as low as possible.

I bet most of you are happy as fuck I am not your King :)[/quote]

Sooooo, you’d just recreate Norway?

It’s okay to like your country as is. I sure as fuck am glad I don’t live there, it’s too damn cold and waaaaaaaaaay to expensive. But I would love to visit, when I win the lotto.

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

  • Repeal the 17th
    [/quote]

Should I point out that the constitution would be null and void if you were a monarch? Just saying, you would not have to repeal it, just wave your scepter.

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]spiderman739 wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:
if I where an all-powerfull king in the US I would do this:

  1. Make a 5 year plan to transition education( all kind ), health care, welfare( pensions, unemployment welfare, disability welfare ) to the states on the condition that the states have obligation to run it themself and make shure everyone of their citizens have acces to this entitlements. Part of this reform would also ensure that the states got more of the tax money.

  2. Nationalize all banks and create a system where the federal government and the states shared the control over the banks. Part of this reform would be to provide cheap student loans, house loans, business loans, but also to eliminate corrupt banking activity.

  3. Abortion reform modeled on the norwegian model( makes it legal untill some time in the pregnacy )

  4. Eliminate the death penalty in the entire USA.

  5. Drug policy reform: Legalize Cannabis and focus more on stopping the trafficking of heavier drugs like cocain, heroin etc. Also people who is found to posess an small amount of drugs of any kind are not to be sent to jail, but are instead fined.

  6. Tax Reform: Close all loopholes. both wage based and profit based income are taxed the same. I am stealing Zebs 20% flat tax rate since it sounds so clean and simple. everyone regardless of income pays an extra 5% where those 5% are going directly to pay off the debt. When the Debt is payed off, this debt tax will become a rainyday-fund tax.

  7. If private corporations threatens to outsource their corporations because of the increased taxes, their corporations will be nationalized to prevent people to lose jobs and to maintain a stable economy.

  8. Strict anti-corruption reforms will be implemented: Politicians who are found accepting money from lobbyists loses their seats in whatever house they are in. This rule concerns also all federal employees.

  9. Strict financial and enviromentalist regulations would be put in place.

  10. The war in afganistan will be ended as soon as possible and there will be no new military adventure
    in my reign. The US military will also be reformed to be a pure defence force.

  11. Gitmo will be closed and all the prisoners their will be trialed like an american citizen. If the court is a problem, I will set up a improvised court at Gitmo. Prisoners who are found guilty will serve their time on US soil in a special prison for ex-gitmo prisoners. Prisoners who are found innocent will be sent back to their homeland except in the situation their life is at stake doing so.

  12. Gay marriage will be Legalized.

  13. Maximum sentences time will be set to 20 years. This will save the prison system money and 20 years are a long enough time.

  14. All federal wages will have sealing at what today constitutes 200.000$ a year, Congress men and senators wages are set to no more than 100.000$ a year. This is to give money hungrey people less incentive to go into politics or get a job at the federal level.

  15. There will be an implementation of a 2 term rule, that means that after 2 terms any senator, congress man is out of the office.

  16. Labour union reform: Everyone have the right to unionize if they want and no employer( including states and the federal goverment ) can denie any one this right. Also it will be illegal to ask anyone if they are a union member in a job interwiew. Its offcourse also a persons right to be not unionized, but union shops stays.

  17. Democracy in the work place will be implemented: This means that no bussines can make changes to their workplace policys without asking their employees. If the mayority of their employees says no to change in policy then they are not allowed to implement it. Breaking of this rule will be considered a criminal act.

  18. Higher education reform: All public higher education is free and all students have the right to get a loan for living expenses. This loan is interrest free and for each full semester a person passes, half of that loan is erased. Also the re-payment plans for the loans will be based on a individuals income and will be adjusted each year.

  19. Natural resources such as oil, gas, coal etc will be nationalized and will be run by a corporation that are co-owned by all the states, the federal government and the employees of this corporation. The profits of this production will be split in three ways, 1 third to the employees, 1 third to the states and 1 third to the federal government.

  20. The patriot act will be repealed.

  21. Political commersials on televison and in cinemas will be made illegal. Also Commersials directed at children will also be made illegal.

  22. All states are obligated to provide shelter to the homeless. ( someone else said this and I liked the idea so I stole it )

  23. The electoral college will be eliminated and presidential elections after my reign will be determened by the popular vote alone. The principle here is one man one vote.

  24. If states issues ID voter laws they must also provide all citizens 18 and above of their state Voter ID free of charge.

  25. Electricity will also be nationalized since it is basickly part of the infrastructure.
    The states should be in charge of the electrity system within their states and they are obligated to keep the prices as low as possible.

I bet most of you are happy as fuck I am not your King :)[/quote]

Solid ideas.[/quote]

They’re solid, but I’m glad florelius isn’t all powerful in America…that’s for sure! I couldn’t support but a few of these. [/quote]

Just out of interrest what are the few you could support?[/quote]

Well I like:

#1: I prefer my government at the state level. Then I am free to move to a state I agree with (I’d definitely leave MD that’s for sure). This comes with the stipulation that as the states take on more the FED gives up some. I don’t want state govs to grow and the FED remain the same.

#8: I think earnings management, fraud, and other illegal acts could be dealt with better. We focus a lot on clean up (Enron/Worldcom = SOX). I think we should be more proactive in these areas.

#15: I’m all for term limits and think it should extend to the Judicial branch as well. Maybe 15 year terms or so.

#24: Got no problem with a state issued (paid via tax) of voter ID cards.

Maybe:

#9: depends on the regulation.

#10: Maybe, I’d have to be convinced that we would actually be able to defend ourselves if scale backs occur especially since the military is one of the few things the gov is supposed to use tax dollars on. I also think the U.S. should help those that can’t help themselves (The citizens of Iraq for example).

#6: Tax reform should occur, the only problem is the same people that create the tax laws now (Congress) will be the reformers. Seems to me the change would not necessarily be for the better.

#16: I’ve got no problem with people unionizing, but I think they have too much power now. I think unions are great in theory we can see from experience they aren’t always the best things. I’m also not for stripping power from small business and giving it to the union to abuse. A balance needs to be found.

#14: I think federal workers make a lot of money so I’m for limiting it in some ways. Not sure if I agree with you exactly though.

#19: Maybe and only because of the scarcity of fossil fuels. My concern; however, is that the gov will use fossil fuels to control us more so than they already do. I’d rather help pay for ExxonMobile private jets than Obama’s personal projects.

#25: See #19.

Against:

#2: No nationalized banks absolutely not.

#4: I’m for the death penalty. I’m actually for expanding it to include at least rape as a crime punishable by death.

#7: No national business ever! I cannot support that.

#11: Those at Gitmo are enemies of the state. They should be treated accordingly. I do think they should be treated fairly, but I don’t think closing Gitmo and opening Gitmo 2.0 is necessary. We own Gitmo and there’s nothing Cuba can do about it. Those there should not rot forever without a trial though. It’s un-American and disgraceful.

#13: I would consider ending life in prison, but only because I think most of the people that get life should have just got the death penalty.

#17: The work place isn’t a democracy. Small business owners take 100% of the risk and thus get to make the rules. If a worker doesn’t like it, well they can start their own business.

#18: I think less people should go to college not more. Look, it’s nice in concept, but not everyone should graduate from high school let alone college. There’s nothing wrong with that either. For some reason we think everyone needs to excel at school, but plenty of very intelligent people can learn a trade after finishing 9th grade and make a great living. A Bachelor’s degree is almost useless anymore.

Don’t Care:

#12: Doesn’t concern me. The states should offer civil contracts and it should be left to religion to perform marriage ceremonies. I believe God okay’s marriages unions not the state, but I also believe the state should not discriminate based on religion.

#5: Don’t care about drugs or drug users. Do whatever your heart desires just don’t ask me to feed you when you live in a card board box.

#21: Don’t really care how business/politicians advertise. Although I think the election commercials are a complete waste. I think parents should just tell their kids no.

Not Sure:

#3: I don’t know anything about your abortion model. I don’t agree with ours so I’m up for change.

#20: I’m not sure if all of the Patriot act should be repealed, but I’d have to look into and reflect on it.

#22: Lots of charities take care of the homeless. There are also programs they could use to get off the street; however, it’s easier said than done. I’m not necessarily opposed to it, but would want details before supporting it.

#23: Not educated enough to say either way.
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Regarding nr 3: Abortion in Norway - Wikipedia ( doubt you agree with this if you are pro-life or leans towards pro-life. )

I think I would mandate that all dicks be smaller than mine, the king must have the largest. Of course I would be sending most of the country in for a reduction but fuck’em.

What? Why should I have to make mine bigger, they’re the pawns.

[quote]tGunslinger wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I’ve seen repeal the 17th mentioned a few times, and by older wiser fellows.

Anyone care to go into more detail about why?[/quote]

It would bring the states back into the federal legislative process.

States would use the Senate to protect their own interests, and that would act as a strong check against the overreach of the federal gov’t.

Passage of the 17th is one of the biggest reasons the federal gov’t has grown into Leviathan over the past century, and it’s not talked about a whole lot.[/quote]

Mainly because the individuals wouldn’t be beholden to public votes so they could make choices that may not be popular with blocks of the citzenry and/or special interests (money)?

I guess I’m trying to say the Senate could actually govern rather than lie and pander if it was repealed, no?

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]tGunslinger wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I’ve seen repeal the 17th mentioned a few times, and by older wiser fellows.

Anyone care to go into more detail about why?[/quote]

It would bring the states back into the federal legislative process.

States would use the Senate to protect their own interests, and that would act as a strong check against the overreach of the federal gov’t.

Passage of the 17th is one of the biggest reasons the federal gov’t has grown into Leviathan over the past century, and it’s not talked about a whole lot.[/quote]

Mainly because the individuals wouldn’t be beholden to public votes so they could make choices that may not be popular with blocks of the citzenry and/or special interests (money)?

I guess I’m trying to say the Senate could actually govern rather than lie and pander if it was repealed, no?[/quote]

Insulating Senators from a fickle voting public would help them make tough, necessary choices, that would definitely be a benefit. But that would be a side benefit.

The main benefit would be that expansion of the fed gov’t would in direct conflict with the interests of the state gov’ts to whom Senators would answer.

That conflict would cause the Senate to act as a brake on growth of federal power.

[quote]pat wrote:
I think I would mandate that all dicks be smaller than mine, the king must have the largest. Of course I would be sending most of the country in for a reduction but fuck’em.

What? Why should I have to make mine bigger, they’re the pawns.[/quote]

I actually laughed out loud.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

I guess I’m trying to say the Senate could actually govern rather than lie and pander if it was repealed, no?[/quote]

In theory, yes. The Senate was designed to be the body of “old wise men” and the house that “cooled” legislation that came up from the House of Representatives, which reflected the temporal desires/needs of the population (via shorter terms and representation over small districts, etc.). The House, of course, was designed to be a check on the clubbiness and somewhat aristocratic nature of the Senate.

When the Senate becomes elected directly by the people instead of by a state’s legislatures, then it becomes too much like the House in that it becomes more representative of the “hot” passions of the moment, and it loses some of its character to acts as a check on the House.

So, I’d say I support repeal of the 17th Amendment in order to recapture some of that nature of checks and balance. However, the old way of electing Senators - via the state legislatures - is hardly a perfect fix, and statehouses have become beholden to pretty powerful special interests that, to be frank, would make it hard for me have a great deal of confidence that “old, wise men” with the integrity needed for the Senate would be elected.

I go back and forth. But I definitely don’t like the way the Senate functions nowadays, and a lot of that can be traced back to direct election of Senators.

[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
The main benefit would be that expansion of the fed gov’t would in direct conflict with the interests of the state gov’ts to whom Senators would answer.

That conflict would cause the Senate to act as a brake on growth of federal power.

[/quote]

Makes sense but piggybacking on TB’s point, given the state of the Union, even a repeal at this point wouldn’t accomplish this right?

It just seems like this change would result in a Senate seat becoming a job rather than a resume builder, and while I agree that would be a good change, we would be asking good men and women to actually serve their country rather than get rich off the back of the tax payer.

Do you have faith that could happen in 2012, in Washington? Or is there a fear that it could lead to worse cronyism?

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

So, I’d say I support repeal of the 17th Amendment in order to recapture some of that nature of checks and balance. However, the old way of electing Senators - via the state legislatures - is hardly a perfect fix, and statehouses have become beholden to pretty powerful special interests that, to be frank, would make it hard for me have a great deal of confidence that “old, wise men” with the integrity needed for the Senate would be elected.

I go back and forth. But I definitely don’t like the way the Senate functions nowadays, and a lot of that can be traced back to direct election of Senators.[/quote]

What’s a good course of action then?

Nobody is perfect, and 99.9% of us have a price. (One thing I’ll give Paul credit for is he doesn’t appear to have a price, but I would bet my house he has a strong gold position in his portfolio.)

So how do we “check” the system then? How do we choose a good Senator?

(We’ll ignore the fact that you would have to sell the idea to the public at this point.)

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
I think I would mandate that all dicks be smaller than mine, the king must have the largest. Of course I would be sending most of the country in for a reduction but fuck’em.

What? Why should I have to make mine bigger, they’re the pawns.[/quote]

I actually laughed out loud.[/quote]

:slight_smile: It’s good to be the King…

I gotta say, I thought this was going to be kinda dumb, but actually I find it very interesting how people see things differently, yet most seek out a system that would be good for everybody.

Eric Holder will be criminally charged; Obama and Hillary too. Biden put in a home for developmentally disabled individuals. Nancy Pelosi in a mental institution. Harry Reid tarred and feathered. Bill Clinton on a sex offenders’ registry. Okay once the purge is over pass me my orb and septre and let the ruling begin.

I’d do everything zeb said he’d do only I’d do it in a more regal manner. And deportations and a secure border are the order of the day. Now to foreign policy: the insolent dog Putin shall be humbled and I’d ensure that someone finally finishes the job and snuffs Castro if he’s still alive. Chavez too. That’ll keep the rest of them quite for a while. I won’t go into my plan for the ME because it’s classified. Let’s just say the Kingdom of America shall have 22 new provinces in the region.

Speaking of provinces, Canadian citizens shall be required to pay my own weight in gold daily as well as pledge an oath of fealty to myself. French Canadians shall be deported to the moon. Actually I will deport the citizens of France to the moon also. If they want air they shall each have to take along a balloon. Kamui gets two balloons because he’s made some good posts. The UN will have a name change to the Subject Nations, the charter scrapped and replaced with a list of grievances of mine that each country shall be required to redress.

Their leaders shall have to prostrate themselves before me and if they are deserving of my favour I will allow them to kiss my ring. No pun intended. Oh, and gay marriage and drugs are illegal. Let them eat cake. /Rant

AND every dude, who isn’t an asshole, gets 2 chicks at the same time…

[quote]pat wrote:
AND every dude, who isn’t an asshole, gets 2 chicks at the same time…[/quote]

I think you found a loophole to the 6 year term limit

To go with ZEB’s welfare policy, only tax payers would be allowed to vote.