[quote]theBeth wrote:
P.P.S.
please share the parable of the frog and scorpion. [/quote]
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
An engagement ring/gun/baby is simply consideration in a contract of some sort of relationship compact. If the contract does not complete you must return the ring/gun and abort the baby, if it is your decision not to complete the contract. You’ve simply decided not to accept his offer.
If he gets cold feet and backs out, then he must suffer the penalty. If he violates the terms of the contract i.e. cheats, then he suffers the penalty. Just as with any legitimate contract, if a person fails to complete or frustrates the purposes of the contract to make it impossible to complete, then he can and should suffer damages caused. [/quote]
So you really HAVE been in law school! ;-)[/quote]
Sure. And I’m damn good at this lawsmithing business.
That said, legally that’s not what a judge would actually rule, but it is how it SHOULD hold up if we all lived by a right proper honor code.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Sure. And I’m damn good at this lawsmithing business.
That said, legally that’s not what a judge would actually rule, but it is how it SHOULD hold up if we all lived by a right proper honor code.[/quote]
If we all lived by a right proper honor code, we wouldn’t need lawyers. Just sayin’.
Ok, as I understand it- you were dating a guy, and told him instead of a ring, you wanted him to propose to you with a gun instead. He bought you a gun and gave it to you. So, when you received the gun, did he say will you marry me? If yes, its a proposal. If not, he just bought you a gun as a gift. If it was a proposal, and you broke it off, you should give the engagement gun back. However, if he broke it off, then keep the gun. Or you can be a bitch and keep the gun no matter what.
Who’s name is it in? His? Then he can take you to court and most likely get it back. Yours? He lost that on all accounts. If you didn’t dump him for any other reason, the fact that he couldn’t pop the question and make the commitment, should be enough reason to leave. You can’t read his mind. Did he expect that when giving you the gun you should have assumed it was a proposal? Did he hand it to you and you said yes? Since he wasn’t clear with his intentions, what did you perceive it as?
The big question is did you think it was a proposal or a gift? Even if you are not satisfied with him and return him for a full refund, the free gifts are yours to keep. Don’t you ever watch those late night infomercials?
[quote]BruceH wrote:
Ok, as I understand it- you were dating a guy, and told him instead of a ring, you wanted him to propose to you with a gun instead. He bought you a gun and gave it to you. So, when you received the gun, did he say will you marry me? If yes, its a proposal. If not, he just bought you a gun as a gift. If it was a proposal, and you broke it off, you should give the engagement gun back. However, if he broke it off, then keep the gun. Or you can be a bitch and keep the gun no matter what.
Who’s name is it in? His? Then he can take you to court and most likely get it back. Yours? He lost that on all accounts. If you didn’t dump him for any other reason, the fact that he couldn’t pop the question and make the commitment, should be enough reason to leave. You can’t read his mind. Did he expect that when giving you the gun you should have assumed it was a proposal? Did he hand it to you and you said yes? Since he wasn’t clear with his intentions, what did you perceive it as?
The big question is did you think it was a proposal or a gift? Even if you are not satisfied with him and return him for a full refund, the free gifts are yours to keep. Don’t you ever watch those late night infomercials?[/quote]
Paragraph breaks are needed here, Bruce.
Beth, I’m sorry about your breakup. I would probably offer the gun back, but I don’t think you’re obligated to do so.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Oh, and The Beth…
Knock the shit off with the vague details. Because you’re:
- a woman
and - posting an avi of yourself with an admittedly great set of legs,
you’re going to get 1000x the interest as any guy posting the same topic.
So, dish the dirt already and stop making this a game of 20 questions.
So. What we have so far is:
you were in a relationship
the relationship went south
your former betrothed gave you a 1911
you’re no longer engaged but still have the 1911
Accurate so far?
We want details. How long did you know him? What went wrong? How many girls did you sleep with both before and after you met him.
kthnxbye[/quote]
Ok details. I’ve known him 7 years. Dated for 2. In all honesty we were probably rebounding on each other - him after a divorce and me from the woman who I didn’t appreciate enough and lost. So long story short he’s an asshole. He admits he’s an asshole and basically emotionally illiterate. He’s German not sure if that is related, his dad is the same way.
Ok so two years in, his actions say its pretty serious - meet moms n dads, integrate kids, do everything together, do everything for each other ( well mostly, he still made me feel like I was his Jew slave). I say ‘I love you’, he didn’t acknowledge or every say it to me. communication is horrible. I start to mirror his lack of communication and emotion just to get through. 18 months in I snap.
On antidepressants by this time I finally decide I just have to confront him at which point he admits he doesn’t know if he’s in love with me but he wants to be with me and figure it out. Ok. so additional factors are he won’t bond with my kid but expects me to bond with his - who won’t give me the time of day. His own friends are asking me why i’m still putting up with being walked on. I’m still kinda there because even though it’s not often enough it’s still reliable sex and I usually stick to a decent sex partner for a long time because i’m afraid of contracting herpegonasyphicrabilitis.
So i ask if we can do poly, or just be friends with benefits, or open relationship - he says nope, pretty sure he doesn’t want to do that. Okie doke, fine then. I’m unhappy, there’s no resolution, you’re not in love with me, so there’s no point in staying.
I tried to give the gun back. He won’t take it, insists its a gift - I say, but you know how i view such a gift, as an engagement. He says I know, and I gave it freely. Another vague answer. I’m done with the vague evasive answers. That is all. I don’t get mad, I just get out.
How many women? Several before, none after - the pool is pretty shallow around here, with plenty of germs floating in it from what i hear. If I date a man, it’s going to be a forever thing, or whatever the equivalent is to that. I don’t like to waste my time or vagina.
Does that help?
It’s well you’re out, Beth. You can do much better.
[quote]theBeth wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Oh, and The Beth…
Knock the shit off with the vague details. Because you’re:
- a woman
and - posting an avi of yourself with an admittedly great set of legs,
you’re going to get 1000x the interest as any guy posting the same topic.
So, dish the dirt already and stop making this a game of 20 questions.
So. What we have so far is:
you were in a relationship
the relationship went south
your former betrothed gave you a 1911
you’re no longer engaged but still have the 1911
Accurate so far?
We want details. How long did you know him? What went wrong? How many girls did you sleep with both before and after you met him.
kthnxbye[/quote]
Ok details. I’ve known him 7 years. Dated for 2. In all honesty we were probably rebounding on each other - him after a divorce and me from the woman who I didn’t appreciate enough and lost. So long story short he’s an asshole. He admits he’s an asshole and basically emotionally illiterate. He’s German not
sure if that is related, his dad is the same way. Ok so two years in, his actions say its pretty serious - meet moms n dads, integrate kids, do everything together, do everything for each other ( well mostly, he still made me feel like I was his Jew slave). I say ‘I love you’, he didn’t acknowledge or every say it to me. communication is horrible. I start to mirror his lack of communication and emotion just to get through. 18 months in I snap. On antidepressants by this time I finally decide I just have to confront him at which point he admits he doesn’t know if he’s in love with me but he wants to be with me and figure it out. Ok. so additional factors are he won’t bond with my kid but expects me to bond with his - who won’t give me the time of day. His own friends are asking me why i’m still putting up with being walked on. I’m still kinda there because even though it’s not often enough it’s still reliable sex and I usually stick to a decent sex partner for a long time because i’m afraid of contracting herpegonasyphicrabilitis. So i ask if we can do poly, or just be friends with benefits, or open relationship - he says nope, pretty sure he doesn’t want to do that. Okie doke, fine then. I’m unhappy, there’s no resolution, you’re not in love with me,
so there’s no point in staying.
I tried to give the gun back. He won’t take it, insists its a gift - I say, but you know how i view such a gift, as an engagement. He says I know, and I gave it freely. Another vague answer. I’m done with the vague evasive answers. That is all. I don’t get mad, I just get out.
How many women? Several before, none after - the pool is pretty shallow around here, with plenty of germs floating in it from what i hear. If I date a man, it’s going to be a forever thing, or whatever the equivalent is to that. I don’t like to waste my time or vagina.
Does that help?[/quote]
It seems he is not only driving you by Off Ramps but actually slowing down so you can read the signs of what is next. You need to walk. You say he does not want a Friend with benefits but yet that seems to be what you are. If you think his emotions will magnify with a contract of marriage you are wrong.
Walk away as friends…keep the gun and if he ever tries to throw it in your face give it back.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Hey, we can turn this into a guns and climbing thread![/quote]
Sort of related. This is a story about climbing and makeshift flamethrowers.
I was on a climbing trip one time and the cracks in the rock face were full of fucking hornets! So one of the guy’s in our group got a can of bug spray and a lighter and went over to one side of the route and pushed off with his legs and immolated the entire cliff, strafing back and forth.
After he finished engulfing the whole thing in flames we climbed it no problem. There were a few cracks that had this sticky, charred hornet residue in them though lol.
One of the coolest climbing experiences I’ve ever had.
[quote]theBeth wrote:
Ok details. I’ve known him 7 years. Dated for 2. In all honesty we were probably rebounding on each other - him after a divorce and me from the woman who I didn’t appreciate enough and lost. So long story short he’s an asshole. He admits he’s an asshole and basically emotionally illiterate. He’s German not sure if that is related, his dad is the same way.
Ok so two years in, his actions say its pretty serious - meet moms n dads, integrate kids, do everything together, do everything for each other ( well mostly, he still made me feel like I was his Jew slave). I say ‘I love you’, he didn’t acknowledge or every say it to me. communication is horrible. I start to mirror his lack of communication and emotion just to get through. 18 months in I snap.
On antidepressants by this time I finally decide I just have to confront him at which point he admits he doesn’t know if he’s in love with me but he wants to be with me and figure it out. Ok. so additional factors are he won’t bond with my kid but expects me to bond with his - who won’t give me the time of day. His own friends are asking me why i’m still putting up with being walked on. I’m still kinda there because even though it’s not often enough it’s still reliable sex and I usually stick to a decent sex partner for a long time because i’m afraid of contracting herpegonasyphicrabilitis.
So i ask if we can do poly, or just be friends with benefits, or open relationship - he says nope, pretty sure he doesn’t want to do that. Okie doke, fine then. I’m unhappy, there’s no resolution, you’re not in love with me, so there’s no point in staying.
I tried to give the gun back. He won’t take it, insists its a gift - I say, but you know how i view such a gift, as an engagement. He says I know, and I gave it freely. Another vague answer. I’m done with the vague evasive answers. That is all. I don’t get mad, I just get out.
How many women? Several before, none after - the pool is pretty shallow around here, with plenty of germs floating in it from what i hear. If I date a man, it’s going to be a forever thing, or whatever the equivalent is to that. I don’t like to waste my time or vagina.
Does that help?[/quote]
Guy sounds like he’s fucked up in the head. Get the hell outta there for sure. And move to Tennessee. We can go climbing at Obed.
keep the gun, lose the Kraut, and dont waste the vagina.
next?
[quote]Edgy wrote:
keep the gun, lose the Kraut, and dont waste the vagina.
next?[/quote]
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I’d get rid of the gun…don’t have to give it back to him, but as long as you have the gun it’s like you have this unanswered questions…or actually lots of unanswered questions…sell it and give the money to a charity that has some applicability to your situation…like…IDK…women who put up with emotionally retarded men…there you go…sell the gun and give the money to like some sort of woman’s shelter…so…that’s all honest straight forward not looking for yuks advice…
NOW that I got that out of the way…while you’re at the shelter maybe (I’m just saying) maybe you’ll meet some hot women and get back to vaginal wrestling over double dongs…when (I mean IF) this happens post pics damn you lesbo eyes!
[quote]sen say wrote:
I’d get rid of the gun…don’t have to give it back to him, but as long as you have the gun it’s like you have this unanswered questions…or actually lots of unanswered questions…sell it and give the money to a charity that has some applicability to your situation…like…IDK…women who put up with emotionally retarded men…there you go…sell the gun and give the money to like some sort of woman’s shelter…so…that’s all honest straight forward not looking for yuks advice…
NOW that I got that out of the way…while you’re at the shelter maybe (I’m just saying) maybe you’ll meet some hot women and get back to vaginal wrestling over double dongs…when (I mean IF) this happens post pics damn you lesbo eyes![/quote]
Eww. double dongs is a male construct. kindof like the mythical “scissoring”.
I’m not going to sell another gun. I’m selling my motorcycle instead. so I can recoop the money I spent on his M1A.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]theBeth wrote:
Ok details. I’ve known him 7 years. Dated for 2. In all honesty we were probably rebounding on each other - him after a divorce and me from the woman who I didn’t appreciate enough and lost. So long story short he’s an asshole. He admits he’s an asshole and basically emotionally illiterate. He’s German not sure if that is related, his dad is the same way.
Ok so two years in, his actions say its pretty serious - meet moms n dads, integrate kids, do everything together, do everything for each other ( well mostly, he still made me feel like I was his Jew slave). I say ‘I love you’, he didn’t acknowledge or every say it to me. communication is horrible. I start to mirror his lack of communication and emotion just to get through. 18 months in I snap.
On antidepressants by this time I finally decide I just have to confront him at which point he admits he doesn’t know if he’s in love with me but he wants to be with me and figure it out. Ok. so additional factors are he won’t bond with my kid but expects me to bond with his - who won’t give me the time of day. His own friends are asking me why i’m still putting up with being walked on. I’m still kinda there because even though it’s not often enough it’s still reliable sex and I usually stick to a decent sex partner for a long time because i’m afraid of contracting herpegonasyphicrabilitis.
So i ask if we can do poly, or just be friends with benefits, or open relationship - he says nope, pretty sure he doesn’t want to do that. Okie doke, fine then. I’m unhappy, there’s no resolution, you’re not in love with me, so there’s no point in staying.
I tried to give the gun back. He won’t take it, insists its a gift - I say, but you know how i view such a gift, as an engagement. He says I know, and I gave it freely. Another vague answer. I’m done with the vague evasive answers. That is all. I don’t get mad, I just get out.
How many women? Several before, none after - the pool is pretty shallow around here, with plenty of germs floating in it from what i hear. If I date a man, it’s going to be a forever thing, or whatever the equivalent is to that. I don’t like to waste my time or vagina.
Does that help?[/quote]
Guy sounds like he’s fucked up in the head. Get the hell outta there for sure. And move to Tennessee. We can go climbing at Obed.[/quote]
I’m in.
This gift is his way of saying, “Hey baby, I won’t ever hurt you and if I do, you can shoot me in the face.”
Sounds like a caring guy.
[quote]theBeth wrote:
I’m selling my motorcycle instead. so I can recoop the money I spent on his M1A.[/quote]
OK…i can see this isn’t going away…wtf is an M1A ???
[quote]sen say wrote:
[quote]theBeth wrote:
I’m selling my motorcycle instead. so I can recoop the money I spent on his M1A.[/quote]
OK…i can see this isn’t going away…wtf is an M1A ???[/quote]
this badassery