[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Personally, I’ve never understood how or why people “demonize” “the other side.” There has come a debate about whether or not Obama is “smart.” To me, it’s silly. The man became president. Obviously it takes a lot of intelligence to do this. Honestly, I think it is silly to argue that he is dumb/unintelligent/unwise.
For what it’s worth, I think the same of Bush/Palin/Rumsfeld/etc.
eh, my 2 cents.
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Well, you and I both know that “the other guy” is never as smart as the guy we like. It’s a fact…you can check it.
[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
Here’s a little story for you, and it’s true. A couple got married 20 years ago. Both college grads, one with a Master’s degree. They worked very hard, 40-60 hours a week each. They bought used cars for 15 years , “vacations” were staying with family for the first 15 as well. They lived well below their means, invested in mutual funds and saved and invested more. They sacrificed their “couples” time, “me” time, and fun time. They raised a daughter who they sent to private school, as the tax money is wasted on shitty sub standard education. They will be paying for her to go to a university out of the country so she doesn’t get more brain washed. Their effect tax rate next year, thanks in part to ObamaCare, will be 43%.
Does this sound right to you? Does this sound like America? If a couple makes over 250K a year, filing jointly, they are in the highest tax bracket. The same as millionaires. Here’s the catch though, so shut the fuck up. The millionaires get their compensation through channels that end up being claimed as capital gains tax, so they do only pay 15%. Said couple pays 36% and then the 15% on income from investments. This couple is the vilified 1%.
Obama is a smart man who really cares about his ideal America. It just so happens to be in direct opposition to what I think is good for America, ie; me and my family. [/quote]
One thing you’re not taking into account. Small businesses that have an “S” corporate status (which is many or most of them) are being lumped into the millionaires pot. So if their small business makes 300-k one year they are hit at the same rate as a corporate exec.
Something is seriously wrong with that. One would think that Obama didn’t understand business, large or small. And I don’t know why he woldn’t with his vast experience as a community organizer and two years in the Senate.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
The fact that it’s NOT a foregone conclusion that Obama will get slaughtered this November tells me many Americans just “don’t get it.”[/quote]
David McCullough
Push:
I asked these questions on another thread with no answer. this seems like a good place to put them:
How much of this is as much a function of the field of Republicans; and the almost dizzying ups of downs of the GOP Primary itself; as it is what the President has (or has not) done?
(Believe it when I say that Santorum gets as “viseral” a response from people as the President does).
Believe it or not, this was from a focus group on FOX (FOX is usually on in the break room at work). It was of young, stay-at-home (“Soccer”) Moms and Working women (and another group of women that I can’t recall).
They felt, that a) the President works hard and b) he was doing the best he could do given the circumstances.
Now. Ask a group a blue-collar, conservative men…and you can BET that they will give you a much different response.
Is it that those women “don’t get it”…or is it a case of different, and “equally” valid perceptions?
People may tend to view me on “PWI” as an “Obama Shill”. Far from it. I tend to view President’s through the prism of history and their place in it. Yes…the history and perception of a President will depend on the who is writing the history (David McCullough would most likely write a different history of Obama than Rush Limbaugh).
…2) Believe it or not, this was from a focus group on FOX (FOX is usually on in the break room at work). It was of young, stay-at-home (“Soccer”) Moms and Working women (and another group of women that I can’t recall).
They felt, that a) the President works hard and b) he was doing the best he could do given the circumstances.
Now. Ask a group a blue-collar, conservative men…and you can BET that they will give you a much different response…
REPEAL THE 17TH!
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Yeah! Everything went to hell in a hand basket when we started directly electing senators instead of appointing them through state legislatures!
REPEAL THE 17TH!
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Yeah! Everything went to hell in a hand basket when we started directly electing senators instead of appointing them through state legislatures![/quote]
I totally agree what we need more is less control of our elected officials
I’ve said this before. I think that the GOP nominee beats the President BECAUSE of a Conservative electorate that is galvanized. Also; the TeaPublicans that have been relatively “silent” during the Primary, will be mobilizing in force.
In addition; remember that the President pulled in a lot of groups that traditionally are either not motivated to vote “en masse” (e.g. the young) and also won the majority of Independents. They are no longer solidly behind the President.
TO ME, these ARE “facts”, Push, that I don’t think that even the “MSLM” can change.
I see the turnout election day being one of the greatest since the “Perot” year of 1992.
What do I think can change all this?
Worsening Economic news at election time
A major issue with, or about, the President and/or
The picking of either Santorum or Newt as the GOP nominee
As it stands 8 months out; I really don’t see the re-election of the President.
What factors do all of you see FAVORING the President’s re-election?
What factors do all of you see FAVORING the President’s re-election?
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One major factor, the main stream liberal media!
They will not allow their chosen one to go down in defeat.
Secondly, Obama will have more money than his opponent.
Thirdly, if he picks another VP, say Hillary Clinton he’ll be very hard to beat.
Fourthly, if the economy actually gets better he’s a shoe in.
Fifthly, Any international incident people rally around the President (and he’s not beyond creating an incident, none of them are).
And finally if by some miracle Rick Santorum wins the nomination as the democratic party wants him to Obama trounces him regardless of any of the above.
Some factors that do see Obama getting reelected are that the GOP and said nominees seem out of touch. The craziness about women’s reproductive rights and the gays are problematic as well. Again, out of touch. The nominees infighting doesn’t help either. It’s very easy for the Dems to portray the GOP as rich old white guys who give monetary breaks to their buddies. The GOP make this all too easy and don’t seem to be on the same page in terms of strategy. I hope Obama doesn’t get reelected, but the public isn’t getting much of a choice. IF we can get through 4 more years of him, MAYBE people will wake up. On both sides as well as the populace.
Sad.
[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
Here’s a little story for you, and it’s true. A couple got married 20 years ago. Both college grads, one with a Master’s degree. They worked very hard, 40-60 hours a week each. They bought used cars for 15 years , “vacations” were staying with family for the first 15 as well. They lived well below their means, invested in mutual funds and saved and invested more. They sacrificed their “couples” time, “me” time, and fun time. They raised a daughter who they sent to private school, as the tax money is wasted on shitty sub standard education. They will be paying for her to go to a university out of the country so she doesn’t get more brain washed. Their effect tax rate next year, thanks in part to ObamaCare, will be 43%.
Does this sound right to you? Does this sound like America? If a couple makes over 250K a year, filing jointly, they are in the highest tax bracket. The same as millionaires. Here’s the catch though, so shut the fuck up. The millionaires get their compensation through channels that end up being claimed as capital gains tax, so they do only pay 15%. Said couple pays 36% and then the 15% on income from investments. This couple is the vilified 1%.
Obama is a smart man who really cares about his ideal America. It just so happens to be in direct opposition to what I think is good for America, ie; me and my family. [/quote]
With your syntax, buddy, you shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
