Burglary = effective redistribution of wealth, especially when you have insurance.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
[quote]ranengin wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
In other words…a silver lining in an Obama win?[/quote]
But what if he gets the opportunity to appoint a couple of far leftists to the supreme court?[/quote]
I’ve gotten into some pretty interesting discussions about this…but in the end, most…and I emphasize MOST Supreme Court Justices end up NOT being at any “extreme”.
“Conservative”, “Liberal” and “Swing Vote” (in a very broad sense)…that is mostly defined by their interpretation (by there briefs and/or arguments) of the Constitution.
Also; some justices (like Souter) tend to not fit their “label”.
(Lower Court Judges are another thing entirely).
Mufasa[/quote]
“Extreme” is subjective of course.
If given the opportunity, he may try to appoint someone as far left as he can get away with.
[quote]americaninsweden wrote:
[quote]ranengin wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
In other words…a silver lining in an Obama win?[/quote]
But what if he gets the opportunity to appoint a couple of far leftists to the supreme court?[/quote]
It will help his legacy (at least with the left) of changing social issues (abortion, gay marriage) if cases get brought up under those circumstances. Otherwise, I think that whoever gets elected will do about the same stuff, claim they are going to change Washington and give tax cuts to this class and that class and in the end it will be pretty much the same. #apathy, lackofefficacy[/quote]
Yep, it will help his legacy with the left.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]ranengin wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
In other words…a silver lining in an Obama win?[/quote]
But what if he gets the opportunity to appoint a couple of far leftists to the supreme court?[/quote]
A silver lining doesn’t eliminate the cloud.[/quote]
A few clouds I don’t have an issue with. It’s the potential hurricane that I’m worried about.
How much silver do we get from a hurricane?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
The fact that it’s NOT a foregone conclusion that Obama will get slaughtered this November tells me many Americans just “don’t get it.”[/quote]
US Economy is good and getting better (manufacturing, jobs, property, financials), things are finally stabilizing, banks are starting to lend again, taxes haven’t been raised. Iraq, Afghanistan wars ending, fall in international terrorism.
Fall backs are Obamacare and national debt but it looks like the market has priced those things for a while now and the private sector is adjusting. Debt worries are for the most part exaggerated considering the US could have twice the debt levels it has now and people would still flock to buy US Treasuries.
I’ve said it a million times, people want stability.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
In other words…a silver lining in an Obama win?[/quote]
I really believe that. I am not that worried about an Obama victory.
Obama has an odd clumsiness that looks to doom the very projects he believes he is destined to bring about for this country - his aggression to pass “transformational” legislation appears to backfire and sow the seeds of their own destruction.
Think about ObamaCare - despite the arogant cramdown, the US really isn’t gliding into an age of universal health care. In fact, it’s quote the opposite - this country is having a sobering debate on the impossibility of such a program and is growing less enthusiastic about the actual legislation by the day. The passage of ObamaCare also opened up a knock-down, drag-out fight over entitlements, formerly the “third rail” of politics, a topic we’ve ignored for far too long.
So, Obama has ironically awakened all the things he needed to sleep for his “transformational” program to slide on through - including increased anger from conservative grassroots to unhappy moderates to the disdain (and abandonment) of the moderate wing of his own party.
Thing is, Obama wanted none of these things. He doesn’t want to make hard choices on entitlements - but now, because of his actions, he is at the center of the maelstrom of reform of entitlements, and if he won’t make hard choices, his legacy will be damned because of it. He wanted universal health care - now his project is at the center of an incredible constitutional question (the viability of the mandate and the question as to just what can’t the federal government force you to do), scrutiny of costs and fiscal irresponsibility, and anger over the abuse of power (delegate all the lawmaking to the agency and skip Congress).
Obama is making us deal with all these issues, though his intent was the opposite. If we have him for four more years, there’s no reason to think that his conceit won’t continue to galvanize voters - large swaths of voters that transcend party - into a true commitment to truly reform entitlements, etc.
No, I am not voting for the man, but if you’re thinking about the long game, an Obama presidency may not be so bad.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
I’ve said it a million times, people want stability.[/quote]
True, and they don’t have it. Don’t believe me? Go ask small businesses why they aren’t hiring. Quiet a few will tell you they have no idea how much a new employee will cost because of the uncertainty caused by ObamaCare (and its yet to be written regulations).
The private sector has been craving stability since 2008. Instead of introducing calm and stability, Obama introduced the opposite.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Contrary to what “PWI” thinks; the President is a smart man; with a sense of History, and his place among his predecessors.
[/quote]
I’m wondering what you’re basing that statement on. Michelle Obama is an illiterate - literally. I’ve “read” parts of her pidgeon-English Princeton “thesis” - utter gibberish. Obama is the first President in history to have his college thesis and grades kept secret. Where does this assurance of his intelligence come from? I can’t understand why so many people are so desperate to believe the best about this guy in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
The fact that it’s NOT a foregone conclusion that Obama will get slaughtered this November tells me many Americans just “don’t get it.”[/quote]
US Economy is good and getting better (manufacturing, jobs, property, financials), things are finally stabilizing, banks are starting to lend again, taxes haven’t been raised. Iraq, Afghanistan wars ending, fall in international terrorism.
Fall backs are Obamacare and national debt but it looks like the market has priced those things for a while now and the private sector is adjusting. Debt worries are for the most part exaggerated considering the US could have twice the debt levels it has now and people would still flock to buy US Treasuries.
I’ve said it a million times, people want stability.[/quote]
if by stability you mean +8% unemployment for the last 3 years , then you’re absolutely right.
I know I know, the rate has dropped, but so has the labor pool, which means people are just giving up looking for work and aren’t being counted…
The wisdom of Barry Soetoro…
Obamaisms:
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“The Middle East is obviously an issue that has plagued the region for centuries.” - Tampa, Fla., Jan. 28, 2010
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“When I meet with world leaders, what’s striking - whether it’s in Europe or here in Asia…” - mistakenly referring to Hawaii as Asia while holding a press conference outside Honolulu, Nov. 16, 2011
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“In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died – an entire town destroyed.” --on a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people
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“It was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There’s a lot of – I don’t know what the term is in Austrian, wheeling and dealing.” - confusing German for “Austrian,” a language which does not exist, Strasbourg, France, April 6, 2009
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“Just this past week, we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee - which is my committee - a bill to call for divestment from Iran as way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don’t obtain a nuclear weapon.” - referring to a committee he is not on, Sderot, Israel, July 23, 2008
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“I’ve now been in 57 states - I think one left to go.” - at a campaign event in Beaverton, Oregon
'We know very little about Obama’s academic performance. Sources state that he attended an elite K-12 school in Hawaii called Punahou School, but the school claims that his records are missing.
Obama attended the prestigious Occidental College in California. This is puzzling, however, because he has admitted in his book and elsewhere that he was engaged in heavy drug use while in high school. This seems to show that his studies were the last thing on his mind. How he got in remains a mystery and Obama’s attorneys have blocked access to those records.
Obama finished up his undergraduate years at Columbia College, but, again, Obama won’t release those records either. We have no information to suggest he was a good student. We do know, however, that he did not graduate with honors from Columbia.
Obama has also refused to release his Columbia thesis, which was about nuclear disarmament of the West. Perhaps Obama is fearful that his thesis, which likely advocates the disarming of the West at the peak of the Cold War, would be seen as incredibly stupid - which it would be.
Indeed, the only article anyone can find written by Obama during his undergraduate years is one published by the Sundial, a campus newspaper. Titled Breaking the War Mentality, it’s an idiotic piece that reads like something out of the mind of a 14 year old. Moreover, it simply repeats the propaganda lines of various campus anti-war groups. He writes favorably of nuclear freeze groups, of whom, we now know - thanks to the opening of KGB archives - were being manipulated by the Soviets.
It’s no wonder Obama has refused to release any Harvard records as well; nor will he release his LSAT or SAT scores. Moreover, how Obama was elected to the presidency of the Harvard Law Review is also controversial.
Following his graduation from Columbia, Obama claims he worked as a research assistant for a high powered consulting firm. This position he supposedly held has turned out to be misleading and nothing short of a joke. A colleague has since reported, (and confirmed in the New York Times, of all places) what Obama really did: He actually worked for a small company that published a business forecasting newsletter. Obama would take economic reports from other countries and collate them into a three ring binder to be sent out to subscribers. He didnâ??t do any legal work for them. In fact, he did work typical of an intern.
After Obama graduated from Harvard Law, he did not to seek work as a clerk for a prominent liberal judge, as most of his Harvard colleagues did. The work of a law clerk is demanding and it is doubtful that Obama was capable of completing such a challenge. Instead, Obama was hired by a Chicago law firm. But he didnâ??t do any heavy lifting there either. Instead, he spent all his time writing notes for his first book. As Allison Davis, a founding partner of the firm wrote:
Some of my partners weren’t happy with that, Barrack sitting there with his key board on his lap and his feet up on the desk writing the book.
No can find any law briefs written by Obama at this time. It appears that he was just “parked” at the law firm, preparing himself for a political career. Indeed, Obama will NOT release his billing records for this time period, so it is suspected that he is hiding the fact that he didn’t engage in any substantial work for this law firm.’
'…the strange incident - the latest of many strange incidents - on Friday, August 5th, when Obama, about to give a speech, stood staring for a full minute while evidently waiting for the Teleprompter to switch on. Under such circumstances, the normal politician will joke, will tell a yarn or two, tease the audience, do anything but what Obama did: stare off into space after announcing, “We’re waiting.” Pharaoh hath spoken.
Source - http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/is-obama-stupid-and-lazy/
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
He will legalize cannabis and create more public holidays!
[/quote]
We’re not talking about Ron Paul.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
In other words…a silver lining in an Obama win?[/quote]
I really believe that. I am not that worried about an Obama victory.
Obama has an odd clumsiness that looks to doom the very projects he believes he is destined to bring about for this country - his aggression to pass “transformational” legislation appears to backfire and sow the seeds of their own destruction.
Think about ObamaCare - despite the arogant cramdown, the US really isn’t gliding into an age of universal health care. In fact, it’s quote the opposite - this country is having a sobering debate on the impossibility of such a program and is growing less enthusiastic about the actual legislation by the day. The passage of ObamaCare also opened up a knock-down, drag-out fight over entitlements, formerly the “third rail” of politics, a topic we’ve ignored for far too long.
So, Obama has ironically awakened all the things he needed to sleep for his “transformational” program to slide on through - including increased anger from conservative grassroots to unhappy moderates to the disdain (and abandonment) of the moderate wing of his own party.
Thing is, Obama wanted none of these things. He doesn’t want to make hard choices on entitlements - but now, because of his actions, he is at the center of the maelstrom of reform of entitlements, and if he won’t make hard choices, his legacy will be damned because of it. He wanted universal health care - now his project is at the center of an incredible constitutional question (the viability of the mandate and the question as to just what can’t the federal government force you to do), scrutiny of costs and fiscal irresponsibility, and anger over the abuse of power (delegate all the lawmaking to the agency and skip Congress).
Obama is making us deal with all these issues, though his intent was the opposite. If we have him for four more years, there’s no reason to think that his conceit won’t continue to galvanize voters - large swaths of voters that transcend party - into a true commitment to truly reform entitlements, etc.
No, I am not voting for the man, but if you’re thinking about the long game, an Obama presidency may not be so bad.[/quote]
Very accurate look into the Obama second term. But what I fear most are the many liberal judges that he will put in place including the Supreme Court. That is damage which is irreversible. And his foreign policy is atrocious. Turning his back on Israel, ignoring the problem in Iran and the many other errors are frightening.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
The wisdom of Barry Soetoro…
Obamaisms:
-
“The Middle East is obviously an issue that has plagued the region for centuries.” - Tampa, Fla., Jan. 28, 2010
-
“When I meet with world leaders, what’s striking - whether it’s in Europe or here in Asia…” - mistakenly referring to Hawaii as Asia while holding a press conference outside Honolulu, Nov. 16, 2011
-
“In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died – an entire town destroyed.” --on a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people
-
“It was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There’s a lot of – I don’t know what the term is in Austrian, wheeling and dealing.” - confusing German for “Austrian,” a language which does not exist, Strasbourg, France, April 6, 2009
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“Just this past week, we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee - which is my committee - a bill to call for divestment from Iran as way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don’t obtain a nuclear weapon.” - referring to a committee he is not on, Sderot, Israel, July 23, 2008
-
“I’ve now been in 57 states - I think one left to go.” - at a campaign event in Beaverton, Oregon
'We know very little about Obama’s academic performance. Sources state that he attended an elite K-12 school in Hawaii called Punahou School, but the school claims that his records are missing.
Obama attended the prestigious Occidental College in California. This is puzzling, however, because he has admitted in his book and elsewhere that he was engaged in heavy drug use while in high school. This seems to show that his studies were the last thing on his mind. How he got in remains a mystery and Obama’s attorneys have blocked access to those records.
Obama finished up his undergraduate years at Columbia College, but, again, Obama won’t release those records either. We have no information to suggest he was a good student. We do know, however, that he did not graduate with honors from Columbia.
Obama has also refused to release his Columbia thesis, which was about nuclear disarmament of the West. Perhaps Obama is fearful that his thesis, which likely advocates the disarming of the West at the peak of the Cold War, would be seen as incredibly stupid - which it would be.
Indeed, the only article anyone can find written by Obama during his undergraduate years is one published by the Sundial, a campus newspaper. Titled Breaking the War Mentality, it’s an idiotic piece that reads like something out of the mind of a 14 year old. Moreover, it simply repeats the propaganda lines of various campus anti-war groups. He writes favorably of nuclear freeze groups, of whom, we now know - thanks to the opening of KGB archives - were being manipulated by the Soviets.
It’s no wonder Obama has refused to release any Harvard records as well; nor will he release his LSAT or SAT scores. Moreover, how Obama was elected to the presidency of the Harvard Law Review is also controversial.
Following his graduation from Columbia, Obama claims he worked as a research assistant for a high powered consulting firm. This position he supposedly held has turned out to be misleading and nothing short of a joke. A colleague has since reported, (and confirmed in the New York Times, of all places) what Obama really did: He actually worked for a small company that published a business forecasting newsletter. Obama would take economic reports from other countries and collate them into a three ring binder to be sent out to subscribers. He didn�?�¢??t do any legal work for them. In fact, he did work typical of an intern.
After Obama graduated from Harvard Law, he did not to seek work as a clerk for a prominent liberal judge, as most of his Harvard colleagues did. The work of a law clerk is demanding and it is doubtful that Obama was capable of completing such a challenge. Instead, Obama was hired by a Chicago law firm. But he didn�?�¢??t do any heavy lifting there either. Instead, he spent all his time writing notes for his first book. As Allison Davis, a founding partner of the firm wrote:
Some of my partners weren’t happy with that, Barrack sitting there with his key board on his lap and his feet up on the desk writing the book.
No can find any law briefs written by Obama at this time. It appears that he was just “parked” at the law firm, preparing himself for a political career. Indeed, Obama will NOT release his billing records for this time period, so it is suspected that he is hiding the fact that he didn’t engage in any substantial work for this law firm.’
'…the strange incident - the latest of many strange incidents - on Friday, August 5th, when Obama, about to give a speech, stood staring for a full minute while evidently waiting for the Teleprompter to switch on. Under such circumstances, the normal politician will joke, will tell a yarn or two, tease the audience, do anything but what Obama did: stare off into space after announcing, “We’re waiting.” Pharaoh hath spoken.
[/quote]
None of that really mattered to the main stream liberal media-- After all he promised hope and change and he is a charismatic rascal with a great smile.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
The wisdom of Barry Soetoro…
BS
[/quote]
Hold on, so you’re going to tackle a completely objective question like ‘is he intelligent’ with a stupid, ignorant and biased article?
There is no evidence that shows Obama isn’t intelligent. Everything that time-lines his life, where he’s been, what he’s done indicates he is very intelligent. He’s gotten into top schools since he was a kid, was a editor of the Harvard Law Review (I don’t care how he got that position, you don’t allocate a position like that to shmucks) and was a college professor. Then you look at the stuff he did in the Senate, how he organised the bailouts and his healthcare bill.
Plus, how can you say a guy who captivates people like no one in history, nails every interview and gives high-quality speeches is not smart. I’m sure the numerous high ranking people he has been in contact with since he was relevant wouldn’t lie when they say he’s brilliant.
Herman Cain has one of the most impressive credentials/resume out of any Presidential candidate I have ever seen, clearly evidencing he has some sort of intellect. But then you get to know him more and realise how much of a complete idiot he is.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
I’ve said it a million times, people want stability.[/quote]
True, and they don’t have it. Don’t believe me? Go ask small businesses why they aren’t hiring. Quiet a few will tell you they have no idea how much a new employee will cost because of the uncertainty caused by ObamaCare (and its yet to be written regulations).
The private sector has been craving stability since 2008. Instead of introducing calm and stability, Obama introduced the opposite.[/quote]
Recent economic data contradicts your statement.
Actually, if you want to talk about small businesses you have to start by analysing their true impact on the macro economy. Not surprisingly, the media has made people to believe small business are the be end of economic performance. While yes, small businesses are important to the economy they aren’t as relevant as people think. I won’t go into detail but just to say that mid to large corporations, especially in our times of globalisation are probably more important to economic activity.
I also disagree with you when you say he hasn’t brought stability. Are people purposely trying to ignore the massive financial crisis of 2008/2009? The bailouts and financial reform after that crisis calmed people and the markets to some extent. Things are finally stabilising from that traumatic period of time. Plus, Romney, Gingrich and Santorum would all have had some sort of fiscal response to the global financial crisis if they were president at the time.