Idaho Woman Attacked by Wolf

[quote]undoredo wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

Reminds me of this recent article. What did the guy think was gonna happen?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/26/mans-attempt-to-swim-across-crocodile-infested-river-sadly-ends-in-predictable-way/[/quote]

Just read this. I like when the cop says, they think they got the croc responsibile…

What that SHOULD have said, was that Mr. Cole was responsible for the outcome. The croc just did what they do best, pick out the easiest food source, and go for it. Grab it, drag it to the bottom, and let it drown, then proceed to eat it. I like how an animal gets punished for someone else being on the short end of the gene pool.

Darwin award right there.[/quote]

Ya, it pisses me off every time an animal is put down for doing exactly what it’s designed to do. [/quote]
But: was the real reason for killing the croc because he ate Mr. Cole? Or was it rather that having gotten a taste of humanity, that particular croc became a greater risk to attack other people, as compared to the average croc?
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I think the later is the reason, but I also think it’s BS. A croc will eat a person whether they have a taste for human flesh or not. It’s their territory after all. We don’t put a person down that shots an armed intruder in their home, why do we kill a croc for eating prey in it’s home?

I don’t know if anyone’s heard of this little bastard before but this is one little critter I would not want to run into in the woods.

http://badassoftheweek.com/index.cgi?id=535838729020

Push: have you ever run into any wolverines? Sounds like this guy calls your neck of the woods home.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]WN76 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Environmental groups downplay wolf attacks

http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/16/environmental-groups-downplay-wolf-attacks/[/quote]

Are wolf attacks really an issue? How many are dead from wolf attacks in the last 10 years in North America?[/quote]

I guess it might depend somewhat on whether you were one being attacked or just reading about it.[/quote]

Dogs killed 251 people from 2005-2012. Wolves have killed 2. This is a witch hunt.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Do you live in an area like I do where the deer and elk numbers have been devastated by wolves?[/quote]
Oh shit is there some kind of wolf overpopulation scenario going on? Do they need people to venture out into the wilderness with torches and spears and take care of business? I’m down man. Let’s fuckin snowmobile out into the middle of nowhere and get stuck in.

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Do you live in an area like I do where the deer and elk numbers have been devastated by wolves?[/quote]
Oh shit is there some kind of wolf overpopulation scenario going on? Do they need people to venture out into the wilderness with torches and spears and take care of business? I’m down man. Let’s fuckin snowmobile out into the middle of nowhere and get stuck in.[/quote]

They grey wolves have certainly gotten very aggressive in the Rocky Mountain areas of New Mexico, going after unattended cattle and the like because idiots started a breeding program and released them.

They are protected here, so people are just going to shoot, shovel, and shut up.

It’s why God invented the .308 subsonic round with a suppressor.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

Are you not aware of the livestock depredation problem in the states where wolves have been reintroduced? [/quote]

Perhaps some viewing of what wolves actually do would help the Disney generations:

http://www.lifewithwolves.org/home/?page_id=11847

(Note, not for the squemish.)

Lions only prey on the sick and weak.

I think we should introduce them here too.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
What is the ratio of dogs to wolves? That would be one factor to consider when doing comparisons.

Why do you call it a witch hunt?

Are you not aware of the livestock depredation problem in the states where wolves have been reintroduced? Do you know ranchers who have suffered tens of thousand of dollars in lost income due to this experiment?

Do large numbers of humans have to die before this is worthy of your concern?

Do you live in an area like I do where the deer and elk numbers have been devastated by wolves?

Or are you a city slicker who likes to watch the Discovery Channel and read National Geographic and thinks he has these things all figured out?

Tell us a little about yourself and why your perspective should be considered valuable.
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The ratio of dogs to wolves is probably better phrased as “what is the ratio of interaction between dogs/wolves and people?” There might be thousands of wolves but how often do people interact with them? They are elusive pack hunters and most people don’t go into their territory.

It’s a witch hunt because wolves have existed for thousands of years prior to humans being here. Somehow the population of predator/prey balanced. All of a sudden, enter people and prey is getting wiped out. Maybe there is more here than just over-population of predators - what about bear, cats, etc.? What about other animals competing for territory, like grazing domesticated animals?

Livestock is an easy target. Cattle/sheep/etc are dumb and lazy and far from agile. Would you rather try to chase a collegiate athlete or a coach potato? I believe farmers have permission to deal with the problem and kill wolves that kill their livelihood. Could be wrong though.

Honestly, I think more dumb hippies and lazy people could stand for a breath of “you’re not top of the food chain.” Maybe people would change their mindset. Sadly, its the good country folk who would be most at risk, not the lazy people. We’ve done far more encroaching than any other species on this planet.

Deer and Elk herds survived long before mankind entered the picture. What most likely is harming the herds is their loss of space to move to avoid predators. That and wildlife moves in to suburban areas where they can’t be hunted because food is easier, its safer, and there they become over-populated. In the “woods” they are fewer and farther between, more pressure from hunters - including people. See a trend here?

I like watching National Geographic and Animal Planet. But I’ve lived in the country all of my life. Each area has their own problems for wildlife management. I would agree that a city slicker wouldn’t have a good grasp of things, because they probably never actually set foot in the woods.

As graphic as those images potentially are, you’ll find no less graphic images on the kills of any other predator. Is this meant to be something to stir our hearts? Do the farmers really care about the cattle, or just that they lost money because they didn’t do the killing, butchering, distribution? I have a hard time feeling for an animal whose only end is a bullet in the head while restrained in a small pen. Or however its done nowadays. Sensationalism.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]WN76 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]WN76 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Environmental groups downplay wolf attacks

http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/16/environmental-groups-downplay-wolf-attacks/[/quote]

Are wolf attacks really an issue? How many are dead from wolf attacks in the last 10 years in North America?[/quote]

I guess it might depend somewhat on whether you were one being attacked or just reading about it.[/quote]

Dogs killed 251 people from 2005-2012. Wolves have killed 2. This is a witch hunt.
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What is the ratio of dogs to wolves? That would be one factor to consider when doing comparisons.

Why do you call it a witch hunt?

Are you not aware of the livestock depredation problem in the states where wolves have been reintroduced? Do you know ranchers who have suffered tens of thousand of dollars in lost income due to this experiment?

Do large numbers of humans have to die before this is worthy of your concern?

Do you live in an area like I do where the deer and elk numbers have been devastated by wolves?

Or are you a city slicker who likes to watch the Discovery Channel and read National Geographic and thinks he has these things all figured out?

Tell us a little about yourself and why your perspective should be considered valuable.
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I regret bringing dogs into this because it is comparing a wild animal to a pet. Having said that, the pets have killed 249 more people than the wolves by the stats I provided.

Two deaths in a decade isn’t a lot. From 1994-2004, 40 people died from roller coasters.

The issue I raised was in relation to human death, not losses to livestock. I take no issue with a farmer or rancher protecting their livestock.

I live in an area where I see up to 10 deer a day. Wolves have been exterminated here for some time. Where I live, Deer-vehicle collisions have killed more people in the last decade than wolves have in North America.

Nope, not a city slicker. I dont have a TV service provider either, so Discovery channel is out.

What do you suggest should be done to solve the wolf problem?

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]WN76 wrote:

What do you suggest should be done to solve the wolf problem?

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Kill 'em. Lots of 'em. They simply are more trouble than their worth in the Lower 48.

Harmful viruses are part of our environment too. We still purposely kill 'em all the time.[/quote]

Is this also your solution to the illegal immigrant problem? :wink:

I’d say its a solution to the overpopulation in general problem.

Isn’t that what wars are fought nowadays for? Population control and money?

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
I’d say its a solution to the overpopulation in general problem.

Isn’t that what wars are fought nowadays for? Population control and money?[/quote]

Yes, but only in the sense that they are fought over the which population gets to benefit from the control of the resources that are being contested.

But then that’s been the only real reason for every war that’s ever been fought, as I said before on the Syria thread.

War as a deliberate means to thin the herd, and cull the low-value males to keep the breeding ratio at a comfortable minority of superior males has probably not been practiced…or practical, since the invention of gunpowder, and impossible since the wide scale employment of the machine gun.

When all the best and bravest men of a generation, who are the first out of the trenches to charge the enemy position all get cut down within seconds, only the less-brave betas survive to breed.

Actually, a more cynical mind than mine might seize upon the notion that this new paradigm may yet be a deliberate and still-valid strategy: send the bravest out to fight and die, and nobody will remain to oppose the ruling class.

Indeed, seeing as the more physically fit males are the ones sent to battle, while the unfit, old, or injured stay home. Kind of the reverse of breeding a super race/population. I don’t know that I can group the military as the best and bravest, I’m sure we still have a number of those back home, but I do think it takes a special kind of person to “sign on” willingly.

And yes, its far easier to abuse a system when the men/women that might stand out against that abuse are in a different country on orders.

I’m personally waiting for them to develop a disease/virus that wipes out the group they choose to cull to do a global reduction in population, and get the type of people they want. Based on your theory of culling the strong to control the weak, there was that virus a bit ago that seemed to target folks with stronger immune systems instead of what would typically be those with weaker ones.

Getting back on topic. I think that if we are going to eradicate any species in the lower 48, it should be the wild pig, which is an invasive species, not native to the US - the wolves are, and I bet pigs are more annoying/dangerous than wolves. And who doesn’t enjoy a good pig roast/bbq?

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]WN76 wrote:

What do you suggest should be done to solve the wolf problem?

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Kill 'em. Lots of 'em. They simply are more trouble than they’re worth in the Lower 48.

Harmful viruses are part of our environment too. We still purposely kill 'em all the time.[/quote]

Thats fucked up. Predators are vital to a healthy ecosystem.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]WN76 wrote:

What do you suggest should be done to solve the wolf problem?

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Kill 'em. Lots of 'em. They simply are more trouble than they’re worth in the Lower 48.

Harmful viruses are part of our environment too. We still purposely kill 'em all the time.[/quote]

Thats fucked up. Predators are vital to a healthy ecosystem.
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Which ones?[/quote]

Not us.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]WN76 wrote:

What do you suggest should be done to solve the wolf problem?

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Kill 'em. Lots of 'em. They simply are more trouble than they’re worth in the Lower 48.

Harmful viruses are part of our environment too. We still purposely kill 'em all the time.[/quote]

Thats fucked up. Predators are vital to a healthy ecosystem.
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Which ones?[/quote]

All of them. I don’t have an issue with wildlife management but wiping out a species because they don’t respond the way you want is messed up. I know in Michigan farmers are reimbursed for any livestock loss.