[quote]mindeffer01 wrote:
Now check my spelling like a good little girl.HAHAHAHAHA-HAHAHAHA!
Oh, you might not have a sense of humor, after all, neither did Neitzche.
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Actually, Nietzche was a pretty cool guy. He just kept falling in love with the wrong kinds of girls. Even forward-thinking philosophers have problems with chicks. Hope your girl isn’t messing with your head, too. 
Yes! And definitely at you!
[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
Something wonderful happened today.
I am now an elitist, because I think religion is superstition. Evidently, I have no respect for anybody, and I’m a no-good poopy-pants as well. This is after I apologized for my original post which I guess was a bit inflammatory for certain people on this forum.
Not one of you – mindeffer, haney, ProX, etc. – will be able to show that your belief system isn’t the same as superstition. The fact that I recognize this makes me an a jerk, and when I have the bare-assed audacity to say it to y’all, it means that I am looking down on you as well. Will somebody please give RJ a suppository or something? Good grief.
As to the Pink Bunny, I think it is heresy to praise his name. Anybody who knows the true path to enlightenment knows that the Green Bunny is the right one. The Green Bunny tells us in his infinite wisdom that we must kill all Pink Bunny believers for their heretical beliefs. When I was in the desert, I had visions of the Green Bunny. He came to me and said:
“Put down that bong, O Chosen One. Let my light which shines forever fill your mind, and let you have the knowledge of the One Way.”
So I wrote down what the Green Bunny told me, and I have been rewarded many times over. I bought a lottery scratch-off ticket the other day, and won five dollars. BUT I ONLY PAID ONE DOLLAR FOR IT!!! The rewards in this life for the followers of the Green Bunny are great indeed, for he has shown me that whatsoever you let go shall come back to you fivefold.
Bosco, this is your final warning:
Convert or die, bitch![/quote]
I am not complaining about your posts. I am just tired of both sides speaking with authority. I think there is good evidence in the NT to prove there is a God. You don’t ok. I don’t think there is enough evidence in science to prove God doesn’t exist, you do! I have said this over and over again I don’t want any converts.
Believe what you want. I understand where the believers are coming from. There does seem to be a certain “you believers are ignorant of the facts” coming from the atheists. We could be a little sensitive, but it does seem more than one of us thinks that. So maybe there is something too it.
If you are going to attack my belief than please have a specific attack so I can answer it. Just saying the (insert color) bunny argument as a logical ploy does seem to get us no where. I am willing to be open to an argument that is not circular. I have yet to use a God of the gaps argument.
[quote]MentalMuscle wrote:
haney wrote:
Voltaire said the same thing a few hundred years ago. They turned His house into a Bible print shop 50 years after He died.
And your point…?
mindeffer01 wrote:
Me and my girlfriend then read these and laugh our asses off. It realy is kind of fun.
Are you sure she is laughing WITH you?[/quote]
Greater men than you have come up against the Bible! It is still here, they are not. In 80 years when you are dead I would bet 44% of all americans will still believe in God, and believe evolution is a crock. A precentage that has not changed in over 20 years.
[quote]MentalMuscle wrote:
Professor X wrote:
People don’t cry when losing someone because of future events. They cry because that person is longer there on this earth…in this life. If I came and took your children away and promised to bring them back in 30 years, you wouldn’t be saddened at all? If I kidnapped your wife but left a note reading, “I’ll drop her off at 9pm on December 28, 2030”, you wouldn’t worry about it? Your comment, again, was elitist and was ignorant enough to ignore the human condition. Congratulations, you are on a roll.
Although no analogy is perfect due to the nature of analogies, yours has one major flaw: You neglected to mention paradise.
Sure, I would be upset if you took my children or my wife for 30 years or … however long. However, if I knew that you would take them somewhere where everything was perfect, they would have everything they had dreamed about and they would be forever surrounded by those they love and those who love them, I would not miss them nearly as much as if I had just been taken from me.
I would still miss my wife–as soon as the dishes started piling up in the sink and my refridgerator began to empty, but then I’d head down to the nearest club, pick up a couple T-Vixens and have myself a good time. Hell, if she is going to live in paradise, I am going to have a good time too![/quote]
Well most funerals I go to for believers we are always sad they are gone, but not upset because they are dead. They tend to be celebrations.
[quote]mindeffer01 wrote:
Yes! And definitely at you!
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Mindeffer01… Your insults and attempts to be amusing are not only ineffective but annoying. So why don’t you find a new forum to post in while the grown-ups talk about metaphysics, the inner-workings of the universe, mankind’s place in this world, spelling, simple arithmetic and other subjects you are unable to grasp.
Thank you.
First, thank you for calling me a great man. I have always thought so of myself, but it is nice to have it affirmed.
Saying that 44% of Americans will still believe in a god (Yes… A god, not necessarily your god) in 80 years may be true, but that does not mean that God has a 44% chance of existing, or whatever point you are trying to make. All that tells me is that 46% of Americans must have their heads screwed on right.
Plus, according to the last poll I read, the number was somewhere in the 80% bracket of Americans who believe Jesus Christ was the son of God. But just because a lot of people believe it, tha does not make it true.
As for Nietzsche, it does not matter whether he was insane or had girl problems or even masturbated to child porn. It is the message that is important. Let’s avoid the ad hominems–they do nothing but create feelings of enmity.
[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
Zeppelin795 wrote:
How do atheists explain the origin of the universe?
It’s slow at work tonight, so I’ll take this one.
“I don’t know. Could be a couple of things which we’ve dreamed up or something we haven’t even thought of yet. We may never know for sure.”
How did that sound? Kinda rolled real nice off the tongue, didn’t it? Because for now, it’s the correct answer.
I’d like to know when we decided that this should be a big game of Jeopardy, and we had to be able have some valid answer for every question, whether or not it made sense or had any chance of being answered. Saying “I don’t know” doesn’t always make you ignorant, folks. Sometimes it just makes you honest. I’d like to add though, that this is no excuse for not trying to find out more. That’s why guys like me are heartened by things like the Hubble telescope and future spaceflights to Mars, etc. The more we get out there and discover, the more we’ll have in our knowledge base. And then, maybe someday we’ll be able to say something besides “I don’t know.”
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If only Christians had as much faith.
[quote]MentalMuscle wrote:
Although no analogy is perfect due to the nature of analogies, yours has one major flaw: You neglected to mention paradise.
Sure, I would be upset if you took my children or my wife for 30 years or … however long. However, if I knew that you would take them somewhere where everything was perfect, I would not miss them nearly as much as if I had just been taken from me.
I would still miss my wife[/quote]
Why would you be upset at all? For your argument to work, regardless of their paradise, you would never be upset. You prove me right with your own statements. You argument fails by simply ackowledging that humans cry for those who die, not because of lack of belief in where they will spend eternity, but because they are no longer with us right now. Once again, your elitist attitude is showing. You are no better than me or my beliefs. Simply deal with it.
[quote]Boscobarbell wrote:
Prof X: So let me see if I get this straight…if I make up a whole book about the wisdom my Pink Bunnyrabbit provides, the teachings he sows, the kind of world he has bestowed upon us, THEN you’ll be willing to talk about whether or not he is an actual deity? [/quote]
In effect, yes. Your argument is based on the act of simply dreaming up an entity and running with it. That means the burden is upon you to truly match your “bunny” to the concept of God. That means specifically answering the questions I posted instead of avoiding them…mainly because you can’t answer them. I doubt you have much knowledge at all of the Bible. You simply feel it is easier in life (due to avoidance of conscience) to ignore the belief and laugh at it. I lettered those questions for you. Get to it. Your argument is nothing but ignorant ramblings until you do. Even your fellow atheists are bailing out on that one.
[quote]haney wrote:
I am not complaining about your posts. I am just tired of both sides speaking with authority. I think there is good evidence in the NT to prove there is a God. You don’t ok. I don’t think there is enough evidence in science to prove God doesn’t exist, you do! I have said this over and over again I don’t want any converts.[/quote]
I don’t think that there’s any evidence for or against God in science. It just isn’t there, unless you pretend. How difficult is this? You won’t find the idea of God until you start trying to see it. WE are the creators of this idea. In other words, there is no God until somebody comes along and invents the idea of “HIM”. This has nothing to do with science, which is why the “Creationism melds with Evolution” thread turned into what it did. It makes no sense to mix superstition with scientific method.
I know what you’re thinking now. “My beliefs aren’t superstition!” Oh yeah? Prove it. You look for proof everywhere else, you point to some book as proof, but it’s just some book. I could show you the occult section of the bookstore which is filled with books on Wicca and witchcraft and candle magic and shit, and those books are just as superstitious as yours. There is nothing magical about the bible. It’s words… just like any other. Until you get past that, you aren’t going to be able to see my point. And that’s fine. Because I’m not looking for converts either.
[quote]If you are going to attack my belief than please have a specific attack so I can answer it. Just saying the (insert color) bunny argument as a logical ploy does seem to get us no where. I am willing to be open to an argument that is not circular. I have yet to use a God of the gaps argument.
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And don’t call my Green Bunny a logical ploy! I’ll smite you!
Okay, ProX. I won’t bail out on this. But I MUST vehemently protest the singling out of that false god, the pink bunny. Only a fool would follow the pink bunny. The Green Bunny is the one true way.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
A) What are the basic teachings of your pink rabbit?[/quote]
The Green Bunny is all about not eating soy and kicking everybody’s ass. We spend a few hours each day practicing kungfu like the Shaolin Monks to hone our bodies for the inevitable end of the world – which is coming soon.
Like I mentioned earlier, the Green Bunny is the one true path. Remember the lesson of the lottery ticket? That which you let go will come back to you fivefold. So give me all of your money, and the Green Bunny shall reward you in this life AND the next.
My visions in the desert are the direct linkage between this mortal world and that which lies beyond. The Hand of the Green Bunny guided me as I scribbled, and He assures me that his word shall remain unchanged for all time.
The Green Bunny is truly great. We’ve been writing songs about how much ass he kicks, and we go to our living room couch on Sundays and sing them while we blow reefer all day long. I also buy more tie-dyed shirts now.
Anybody with a semi-functioning brain cell knows that the ultimate enemy of the wholesome and righteous Green Bunny is that pussy fag poseur, the pink bunny. He who follows the evil pink one shall get his ass-kicked – kungfu style.
Okay, where’s my donations, bitches?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why would you be upset at all? For your argument to work, regardless of their paradise, you would never be upset. You prove me right with your own statements. You argument fails by simply ackowledging that humans cry for those who die, not because of lack of belief in where they will spend eternity, but because they are no longer with us right now. Once again, your elitist attitude is showing. You are no better than me or my beliefs. Simply deal with it.[/quote]
Who said anything about crying? I would miss clean dishes, food in the fridge, clean clothes to wear and of course, sex.
However, I do not have your belief. I believe that when someone dies, they are gone. Forever. Never to return. That is why I cry when I lose a member of my family. They are not in a better place, nor will I ever see them again.
It is the atheist who should mourn and the theist who should celebrate. As haney said, “Well most funerals I go to for believers we are always sad they are gone, but not upset because they are dead. They tend to be celebrations.”
And I am continually being called an elitist. I have a feeling you do not even know what the word means. I am an “elitist” only in the way that a child feels superior to another when he knows something the others don’t know. In this case, Santa does not exist. You will not have any fat white man drop down your chimney, nor will you be getting presents made at the North Pole.
Deal with it. You will feel better once you clear your mind of the garbage that is the god paradigm.
Also, MM, when you write stuff like this:
[quote]MentalMuscle wrote:
Mindeffer01… Your insults and attempts to be amusing are not only ineffective but annoying. So why don’t you find a new forum to post in while the grown-ups talk about metaphysics, the inner-workings of the universe, mankind’s place in this world, spelling, simple arithmetic and other subjects you are unable to grasp.
Thank you.[/quote]
And this:
Then, well… yeah, you’re gonna be labeled as an elitist. Look at what you are writing. That’s pretty damn elitist. I was kinda thinking you were talking tongue-in-cheek, because of the whole “give a guy the benefit of the doubt” thing. You’re not serious, right?
[quote]MentalMuscle wrote:
Who said anything about crying? I would miss clean dishes, food in the fridge, clean clothes to wear and of course, sex,[/quote]
This was weak. Hell, it wasn’t even funny. Please let your kids know, along with your wife, that if someone took them away from you and offered them a better life than you could (which from your posts doesn’t seem like much of a stretch) that you honestly wouldn’t even be sad or feel slightest upset for their absence. I would love to hear what they have to say. You seem to put little importance on life itself or in the love you share with others (if there actually is any). What is it that someone so grounded in “self” does for a living?
By the way, your comment about me not knowing what the word “elitist” means also shows you think you are better than me. You clearly are and it shows to most who read the crap you are writing. At least three people have pointed that out to you…but I don’t know what it means? You have yet to write anything that makes me think you are better than me or promotes me to even want to think like you. You seem like the type of person who, upon seeing someone choking in a restaurant, would turn around and finish his meal without skipping a beat. I don’t envy you and the fact that you “pity” me because of my beliefs only shows how sad you really are.
[quote]MentalMuscle wrote:
Mindeffer01… Your insults and attempts to be amusing are not only ineffective but annoying. So why don’t you find a new forum to post in while the grown-ups talk about metaphysics, the inner-workings of the universe, mankind’s place in this world, spelling, simple arithmetic and other subjects you are unable to grasp.
First, thank you for calling me a great man. I have always thought so of myself, but it is nice to have it affirmed.
Saying that 44% of Americans will still believe in a god (Yes… A god, not necessarily your god) in 80 years may be true, but that does not mean that God has a 44% chance of existing, or whatever point you are trying to make. All that tells me is that 46% of Americans must have their heads screwed on right.
Plus, according to the last poll I read, the number was somewhere in the 80% bracket of Americans who believe Jesus Christ was the son of God. But just because a lot of people believe it, tha does not make it true.
As for Nietzsche, it does not matter whether he was insane or had girl problems or even masturbated to child porn. It is the message that is important. Let’s avoid the ad hominems–they do nothing but create feelings of enmity. [/quote]
But your not an elitist. Nope. Not one little bit.
Geez - even your allies on here are telling you to rein in your fucking attitude.
Ever heard of the term egomaniacal?
I wish I could buy you for what you were worth and sell you for what you think you’re worth…I’d be a very rich man.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Your argument is based on the act of simply dreaming up an entity and running with it. That means the burden is upon you to truly match your “bunny” to the concept of God. That means specifically answering the questions I posted instead of avoiding them…mainly because you can’t answer them. I doubt you have much knowledge at all of the Bible. You simply feel it is easier in life (due to avoidance of conscience) to ignore the belief and laugh at it. I lettered those questions for you. Get to it. Your argument is nothing but ignorant ramblings until you do. Even your fellow atheists are bailing out on that one.[/quote]
Don’t you see the sheer arrogance in your tone?
You insist that my god, the Pink Bunnyrabbit (PB), must act just like your god, must provide written fables and fairy tales, must provide guidance in the form of commandments and the like, and must in all other ways act like your Christian God. Guess what? He chooses not to. He inspires and informs me through direct revelation. And just because your feeble, mortal mind can’t wrap itself around that fact doesn’t make the PB any less real.
Now I’ll continue to wait patiently while you formulate how to prove the PB doesn’t exist…but just remember, the same rules apply to your fairytale concoction Christian god. Have fun…
p.s. Nicely done, Lothario…
[quote]Boscobarbell wrote:
Don’t you see the sheer arrogance in your tone?
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Newsflash, I am always a little arrogant. In the words of Bugs Bunny, “He don’t know me very well…do he?”
Cool, now that we have entered the realm of how your bunny communicates, WHY does he communicate to you? What does he say to you? Why did the bunny create this reality for us? Indulge me with your creation story so that I may marvel at your bunny ways. Side note, choosing a pink bunny to follow has to be the gayest shit I have ever heard in my life. Congratulations. If this were the 5th grade, I would end this with “my God can beat up your God” and proceed to pummel your ass with multiple rabbits’ feet.
My goal is not to prove to you that God exists. As has been said many times, you have made your choice. You will have to live with that. Your insistance on chasing those who do believe with insults of their faith only shows that you do care. Indifference would have left you with nothing to add to this post. There may be hope for you yet…silly rabbit.
[quote]haney wrote:
Glad to see you admit God is not Disprovable.
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Methinks you have a misunderstanding of the word as it applies to logic and science. “Disprovable” refers to the manner in which one sets up an argument or proof. It must be CAPABLE of being disproved, at least in theory, so its worth can be tested. For example, if you claim to have concocted a cold fusion machine capable of generating energy in excess of that which is invested, then your claim must be framed in a manner such that other scientists can test your results (which is how peer-reviewing works to refine our knowledge). But theists set god up beyond such testing: he is infallible, unknowable, works in mysterious ways, forever beyond the tangible, supernatural, outside time, etc., etc., etc. So we have deists claiming to “know” that this amorphous, unseen entity of which we have no empirical knowledge exists, yet have no means by which to test this “knowledge.”
Thus, my friend, the Pink Bunnyrabbit. Once again, let me point out that none of you have yet disproven His existence. How does it make you feel that good ole PB is on equal footing with your christian god? Frustrating? Good…now you know how it feels!
And, much as this has been fun…and don’t take this the wrong way…but I just can’t see continuing a debate with someone who cites Answers in Genesis as their source of knowledge. No offense, peace to you and yours, but we live in different worlds, bro, because I’d estimate that over 90% of their biblical-based claims have been refuted by the experts in whichever scientific sub-field they discuss. I know, I know…you refute the world of science, see it as conspiratorial against christianity, etc. etc. Cool. But, like I said before, I just don’t feel debating from either side of that vast chasm is going to result in much fruitful discourse.
Besides, the whole point of my original post was to demonstrate how it is impossible to disprove the existence of any entity. I remain confident I have done so, until such time someone proves me wrong. I’m waiting…
p.s. Damn the Green Bunnyrabbit, and death to the heathens he commands!!!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I doubt you have much knowledge at all of the Bible. You simply feel it is easier in life (due to avoidance of conscience) to ignore the belief and laugh at it.
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Oops, forgot to address this part. You’re right…I have little more than a passing knowledge of the bible. But why would that surprise you. I consider it to be a collection of fables and tales whose underlying premise is mere fiction.
And would you care to clarify your “conscience” remark, since I’m uncertain what you’re claiming to know about the inner workings of my psyche.
Also, please be certain I don’t “laugh” at your belief. You are entitled to it, just as I am to mine. Do I “ignore” it? Sure, because I disbelieve and thus feel no compunction to make it a part of my life, any more than I spend time contemplating unicorns or hobbits (other things I disbelieve). But–at least so far–this is a big, free country, and you and I are both entitled to believe and disbelieve as we see fit.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Newsflash, I am always a little arrogant. In the words of Bugs Bunny, “He don’t know me very well…do he?”.[/quote]
Then we’re alot alike. But my point was, who the hell are you to determine how the gods act?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Cool, now that we have entered the realm of how your bunny communicates, WHY does he communicate to you? What does he say to you? Why did the bunny create this reality for us? [/quote]
I’ve been wondering these things myself…but you know what they say, Pink Bunnyrabbit Gods act in mysterious ways. But his enlightenment allows me to see the Truth and the Way in a manner lost to me before the enlightenment.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Side note, choosing a pink bunny to follow has to be the gayest shit I have ever heard in my life. Congratulations. If this were the 5th grade, I would end this with “my God can beat up your God” and proceed to pummel your ass with multiple rabbits’ feet.[/quote]
Oops, my bad. I forgot to mention that my PB has enormous fangs, and especially enjoys dining on skinny little sons of carpenters who run around in robes and sandals.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
My goal is not to prove to you that God exists. As has been said many times, you have made your choice. You will have to live with that. Your insistance on chasing those who do believe with insults of their faith only shows that you do care. Indifference would have left you with nothing to add to this post. There may be hope for you yet…silly rabbit.[/quote]
Where was my insult, Mr. Thin Skin? Damn, you might be arrogant, but you sure are sensitive. It’s called a debate, an exchange of ideas. You have your view; I have mine. We bat the two around and have some fun. Take a chill pill, man… 