Ice-Bound Ship Was On Global Warming Mission

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]bulkNcut wrote:

Something needs to be done about preventing the population from continuing to sky rocket or unfortunately nature will settle the issue for us in a not so pleasant way

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Emotional Chicken Little conjecture. You have no idea that when nature handles the issue it will be “unpleasant.”

This, like global warming, is a manufactured crisis which inevitably requires manufactured solutions which requires “men of vision” which requires granting these “men of vision” undeserved power…and…power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Not very “scientific” of you to demand there’s only one way to skin a cat.
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Yes I admit my portrayal is emotional, but if you study population graphs of species you will find they have a carrying capacity. When this carrying capactiy is reached nature steps in and “takes care of the issue” in a variety of possible ways (most often disease). Us humans have gotten quite good at resisting disease (read vaccines etc,) Has happened before (plagues), and there is no way to assure it won’t happen again. Some scientists speculate that this was what aids would have been, or cancer.

And no not very scientifc, but if you can devise a surefire scientific way to solve overpopulation you sir will become a very sought after man.

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bulkNcut, you’ve been reading a little too much Dan Brown haven’t you?

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I personally feel the first big thing we humans will have to deal with is overpopulation. I may not see it in my lifetime, but it won’t be to long after that.

I won’t pretend we can’t find a solution, but it is inevitable.

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Nice article arguing population isn’t an issue.

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[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
I personally feel the first big thing we humans will have to deal with is overpopulation. I may not see it in my lifetime, but it won’t be to long after that.

I won’t pretend we can’t find a solution, but it is inevitable.[/quote]

Isn’t population already on the decline in westerns countries?

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[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
I personally feel the first big thing we humans will have to deal with is overpopulation. I may not see it in my lifetime, but it won’t be to long after that.

I won’t pretend we can’t find a solution, but it is inevitable.[/quote]

Oh I think eventually it will be an issue, but it really depends on the rate of technological innovation in my mind.

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Go on google and type in world population real time. Its staggering. haha honestly don’t know who Dan Brown is… It just feels good to kinda know what I’m talking about when it comes to topics I’ve spent 3 years studying. I’m not gonna do anything with my ENV. degree except use it to transfer, but atlease I learned something… haha. Its been good talking to you guys though, honestly. Nice to see things don’t have to get hostile just because of disagreements. Now if only one of you could wave a magic wand and fix my body, I think I could put all of our disagreements aside :wink:

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

Nice article arguing population isn’t an issue. [/quote]

I mean it’s a nice argument. It’s the exact same argument I’ve been using for years regarding “oil shortages.” Essentially, I say I have enough confidence in human ingenuity that we will come up with a solution when we need to.

But I still think it downplays what will be the relatively short term period (maybe 100-200 years?) in which we as a species will have to deal with it and systematically change how the world operates to make it happen. How successfully we navigate those times as a species will dictate how successfully we can maintain ever growing populations.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
I personally feel the first big thing we humans will have to deal with is overpopulation. I may not see it in my lifetime, but it won’t be to long after that.

I won’t pretend we can’t find a solution, but it is inevitable.[/quote]

Isn’t population already on the decline in westerns countries? [/quote]

Yes, in theory, more educated and wealthy people (even the people in poverty in the US are wealthy as compared to much of the world) mixed in with access to medicine and birth control, people are waiting to have kids and are having less kids. But the Western world isn’t even close to the majority of the world population. In addition, the Western world’s population is increasing, whether it be through home grown babies or immigration.

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[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

Nice article arguing population isn’t an issue. [/quote]

I mean it’s a nice argument. It’s the exact same argument I’ve been using for years regarding “oil shortages.” Essentially, I say I have enough confidence in human ingenuity that we will come up with a solution when we need to.

But I still think it downplays what will be the relatively short term period (maybe 100-200 years?) in which we as a species will have to deal with it and systematically change how the world operates to make it happen. How successfully we navigate those times as a species will dictate how successfully we can maintain ever growing populations.[/quote]

Oh come on now. Don’t you keep up with these things? We’ll just migrate.

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[quote]bulkNcut wrote:
Go on google and type in world population real time. Its staggering. haha honestly don’t know who Dan Brown is… It just feels good to kinda know what I’m talking about when it comes to topics I’ve spent 3 years studying. I’m not gonna do anything with my ENV. degree except use it to transfer, but atlease I learned something… haha. Its been good talking to you guys though, honestly. Nice to see things don’t have to get hostile just because of disagreements. Now if only one of you could wave a magic wand and fix my body, I think I could put all of our disagreements aside :wink: [/quote]

I’m just messing with you. Dan Brown rights fiction. His last book, Inferno, dealt with over population.

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[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

Nice article arguing population isn’t an issue. [/quote]

I mean it’s a nice argument. It’s the exact same argument I’ve been using for years regarding “oil shortages.” Essentially, I say I have enough confidence in human ingenuity that we will come up with a solution when we need to.

But I still think it downplays what will be the relatively short term period (maybe 100-200 years?) in which we as a species will have to deal with it and systematically change how the world operates to make it happen. How successfully we navigate those times as a species will dictate how successfully we can maintain ever growing populations.[/quote]

Look at how technology has changed in the last 20 years, let alone 200. We will eat back to the future re-hydrated food soon enough!

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There was a scientific poll recently that basically summarized that the vast majority of scientists agreeing that man-accelerated climate change was causing these weather anomalies we are seeing today.

Looking into the future, I think all the signs are there say “green” technology will exponential proliferate in the Western world. It’s the developing world, predominantly China, that’s going to have a tougher time moving away from massive-scale fossil fuels, especially coal.

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[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
I personally feel the first big thing we humans will have to deal with is overpopulation. I may not see it in my lifetime, but it won’t be to long after that.

I won’t pretend we can’t find a solution, but it is inevitable.[/quote]

This has been said, over and over, by many people for (at the very least) 250 years or so now…

We can still feed everyone.

Pretty sure you’re wasting your time worrying about it at this point.

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
There was a scientific poll recently that basically summarized that the vast majority of scientists agreeing that man-accelerated climate change was causing these weather anomalies we are seeing today.

Looking into the future, I think all the signs are there say “green” technology will exponential proliferate in the Western world. It’s the developing world, predominantly China, that’s going to have a tougher time moving away from massive-scale fossil fuels, especially coal.[/quote]

According to Eurostat, electricity prices have risen about 20 percent in Europe since 2008. Top EU business leaders are calling for an end to renewable energy subsidies for raising power costs and increasing the risk of continentwide blackouts.

â??Weâ??ve failed on all accounts: Europe is threatened by a blackout like in New York a few years ago, prices are shooting up higher, and our carbon emissions keep increasing,â?? said GDF Suez CEO Gérard Mestrallet.

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
There was a scientific poll recently that basically summarized that the vast majority of scientists agreeing that man-accelerated climate change was causing these weather anomalies we are seeing today.

Looking into the future, I think all the signs are there say “green” technology will exponential proliferate in the Western world. It’s the developing world, predominantly China, that’s going to have a tougher time moving away from massive-scale fossil fuels, especially coal.[/quote]

Well, depends if by that you mean “man contributes to warming” or “man’s effect is directly causing the current weather”. I refuse to say weather anomalies because no weatherman I’ve ever seen could predict even 2 weeks in advance, let alone satisfactorily define anomalous weather events

Please link the poll?

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

…All planets have cycles of some kind…

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Maybe that’s the take home point.
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That’s fine. Then he should have said that. Because the way he typed it up, he is implicitly linking other planets warming with “liberal media”. That’s fucking ridiculous.

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no here’s what’s ridiculous. people that can’t get over themselves because of past interactions with me in other threads. and usually in threads i start, like this one.

rising temperatures on planets in our own solar system should lead an intelligent connection to the idea that man is not responsible for “global warming, polar votex, climate change” or whatever the flavor of the month is, here on our home planet.

all planets have cycles and my link which you probably didn’t read stated such.

i am sick of the liberal manure which states the earth is more important than people. the idea that fossil fuels will cause the earth’s destruction… so the entire planet should be powered by solar panels and windmills.

…and that if you don’t believe in global warming, climate change or now polar vortex you are a racist, a homophobe and denialist - with it’s own global warming denial definition page on liberal wikipedia. lol.

there are experts in cardiology, pulmonology, neurophysiology, mathematics and even cooking. but there is no expert that can tell you what will happen in forty years with the earth’s climate cycle.

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[quote]conservativedog wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

…All planets have cycles of some kind…

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Maybe that’s the take home point.
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That’s fine. Then he should have said that. Because the way he typed it up, he is implicitly linking other planets warming with “liberal media”. That’s fucking ridiculous.

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no here’s what’s ridiculous. people that can’t get over themselves because of past interactions with me in other threads. and usually in threads i start, like this one.

to ignore rising temperatures on planets in our own solar system should lead an intelligent connection to the idea that man is not responsible for “global warming, polar votex, climate change” or whatever the flavor of the month is, here on our home planet.

all planets have cycles and my link which you probably didn’t read stated such.

i am sick of the liberal manure which states the earth is more important than people. the idea that fossil fuels will cause the earth’s destruction… so the entire planet should be powered by solar panels and windmills.

…and that if you don’t believe in global warming, climate change or now polar vortex you are a racist, a homophobe and denialist - with it’s own global warming denial definition page on liberal wikipedia. lol.

there are experts in cardiology, pulmonology, neurophysiology, mathematics and even cooking. but there is no expert that can tell you what will happen in forty years with the earth’s climate cycle.

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You’re not worth the time to get preoccupied with. I have rarely interacted with you across this PWI forum, and rarely replied to you directly. I even defended you a couple times in different threads, including one of your first race-baiting threads which I now thoroughly regret doing… In fact I have agreed with your position a number of times, though certainly never on race. Naturally of course, you neither care nor remember and are only preoccupied with anybody who disagrees with you, spouting immediate ad hominems or snide remarks. Truly the hallmark of a great mind trapped in diminutive form. I will call bullshit bullshit when I see it, and sensationalist garbage just that. You posted a poorly worded, sensationalist claim that regardless of its core truth (which, by the way, I noted and AGREED with your buried point–but of course you wouldnt pay attention to that because I had the gall to say something in a blunt way to you) was stated in such way as to be at best meaningless and at worst absolute horseshit.

What’s even more amusing is that you have called me a liberal in the past based on the fact that I called you on a comment. You clearly have no grasp of my politics because if anybody did they would know that I am most certainly not a “liberal”. And for the final bit of inanity from you you posted that I must not have read your link because it says “all planets have cycles”. Certainly you did not fully read my earlier post where I stated that same thing in almost exactly those same words.