[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Coop,
Politicians embraced “predictions” made by climate scientists, and they turned out to be very wrong. Don’t blame me, I never made the claim, I am just reporting the government failure. The planet has not warmed in 17 years, for reason(s) we still don’t know. Maybe the government should stop trying to predict the climate, because THEY ARE WRONG AS FUCK !
It’s just like the scam with Obamacare, 48 million people uninsured, and there is still no mad dash for them to sign up.
The lack of water in Cali is not due to the drought as much as it is the lack of water storage. Dems in Hackramento decided to let a 3-inch fish that is non-indigenous to the ecosystem take priority over our water needs. I have total respect for our environment, but we need to fucking live. Arizona has enough water reserves to sustain them over a year, BECAUSE THEY PLANNED FOR BAD FUCKING TIMES.
We have had a very mild fire season too, and many fires are caused by human fucking error. Don’t blame some asshole throwing his cig out the window on Global Warming.
We already have the highest gas tax in the nation, and fees imposed on us from the 2008 Global Warming Final Solutions Act. We are a driving culture, and the government knows that, they just want to pocket more money from our driving habits. Why should the government tell me how to live my life ? People are not going to change their habits due to some stupid religion, they are going to vote people out when shit gets too expensive. Especially in the midst of extremely questionable predictions.
All throughout the different periods of humanity, there was always some deity associated with the end of existence. This is no different than ancient cultures offering sacrifices to appease the Sun God. Or the Moon God. Or the Rain God. Or the Volcano God. It always ended up with some person(s) getting more power.
Scientists are now making predictions that we will see another El NiÃ?±o coming later this year, let’s see what happens. If it doesn’t happen, I am sure you will come up with some other forgettable drivel still supporting our ability to predict the climate.
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You cite a 17-year period, and yet in other threads you have repeatedly pointed to similar time periods as irrelevant, given the tiny proportion of the planet’s history that 17 years comprises.
The drought is as big an issue as it is due to many factors. The bottom line is that we are still in a drought, the worst in decades at the very least.
Obamacare has nothing to do with the issue. It’s a common tactic used to distract from the real issue at hand. Just because SOME predictions have been wrong does not mean that overwhelming majority of the science behind the issue is invalid.
Global warming/climate change is happening. A 17-year slowdown does not account for the fact that most of the warmest years on record have been recently. No scientist has claimed that global warming will be linear. It will happen in fits and bursts. While there has been a slowdown recently, it does not negate the fact that we have slowed down to a temp that is still much higher than in recent memory.
I heard an analogy from an article somewhere recently. A stockbroker could take certain start/end dates when evaluating the market and say, “See, the market has been relatively stagnant, so don’t put a lot of money into it.” That says nothing about what the market will do over several decades. The same logic applies here.
Some of the deniers continually argue that carbon dioxide is not a greenhouse gas. These are the climate change issue’s version of cigarette execs who swear up and down that their studies show no link between smoking and lung cancer. We know for a fact that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas.
There is legitimate debate about where those emissions go. We know for a fact that carbon emissions are creating a buildup of heat in the atmosphere akin to tens of thousands of atomic bombs. But the Earth’s temperatures have not risen accordingly. Why not? Is all of this a bunch of bullshit? Some sort of gov’t conspiracy to pocket more of our money? Sure, members of the gov’t will try to take advantage of all this. But that does not negate the veracity of the science.
Most scientists believe that the heat being released by our carbon emissions (the heat NOT accumulating in the atmosphere at the rate previously expected) is accumulating in our oceans. That might explain certain “abberational” weather patterns, such as the massive high-pressure front that has been sitting off our coast for the last year or so, or larger storms in other areas, etc, etc.
We experienced a similar plateau about 60 years ago. That plateau was followed by a massive increase in the globe’s temperature.
While scientists are constantly revising WHY the climate is changing, there is little debate as to whether or not it is actually happening. There is not a whole lot of debate about whether we have a role in that or not. The debate is the extent to which we have a role, not IF we have a role.
A large part of why we don’t know more is because many politicians, mostly on the right and mostly those who are in bed with big-oil lobbyists, block any and all attempts at further global warming research. They are afraid of what further research will turn up. We need to further examine the deep oceans and the atmosphere. Denying that any of this is happening will not make understanding what is happening any easier.[/quote]
I quoted the 17-year period because the initial claims about Global Warming were that the planet would CONTINUALLY get hotter. They didn’t.
Obamacare proves yet another lie among this administration, once a liar, your credibility is out the window.
Global Warming is not Climate Change. The former suggests one alteration of the temperature, while the latter represents the explanation of fluctuation when the former didn’t pan out. Of course Global Warming is not linear, at what time frame is the planet allowed to warm/cool while still maintaining the GW fallacy ? A month ? A year ?
Our very own legislature hedged public worker pensions against a continual rise in the stock and tech markets, thinking they would never burst or even slow down. We are now several hundred Billion dollars in debt, so yet again, the government inventing shit has caused our demise.
You cannot continue to make statements that the planet is warming when you have to revise your argument. You failed to prove it, so the original premise is bullshit.
Maybe we are now as smart as we think. Maybe our hubris is what is rising, more than our ability to predict the climate and the weather.
60 years ago, the planet warmed ? In the 1970’s, there were claims of Global Cooling, so which is it Coop ? You can’t have it both ways. Is it cooling or is it warming, because you don’t get to play both sides of the fence. If you are wrong, and you are, then you don’t get to make any legitimate claims about the climate.
