Be careful with your choice of fruit 
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Hey! At least it wasn’t a dragon fruit.
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I find it a little disturbing people think a possibly fertilized egg is a baby…
And FWIW youll find that many christian denominations would likely be considered very liberal by you… For example most protestant denominations. The bible is a book of fables and allegories, not meant to be literal. Literal interpretations of religious texts is how you get fundamentalists and extremists. Mary magdalene was a whore, and jesus was her john… Let’s be real.
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@Californiagrown I don’t think he is referring to that. I think he’s referring to the future baby a woman will have to care for that might get in the way of some life plan which she will thereby loathe until his or her adulthood.
I’m Fully aware of mainline, very liberal Protestant denominations.
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I don’t think it’s typically the baby one loathes, rather it’s the idea of having to potentially throw your future in the toilet that is loathed. Complications stemming from pregnancy can be pretty scary too, particularly depending on age/predisposing conditions. Not the baby itself that is loathed per se, rather the idea of getting pregnant and the consequences associated with it provided you don’t go down the emergency contraceptive/abortion route.
An exemption to this rule could theoretically be in the case of rape/abusive relations, wherein the offspring would serve as a consistent remainder, a “screw you” of sorts to the victim as to say “hey, this is the byproduct of (probably) the most traumatic experience you’ve ever had in your life. Now you have to take care of me!” From speaking to numerous victims of sexual assault/rape I can assure you many wouldn’t take this lightly; many would probably resort to drastic, potentially lethal measures in effort to expel the unborn child.
For many victims, this pregnancy wouldn’t be seen as a blessing. Rather it’d be seen as a curse, with the unborn child being viewed akin to a festering parasite growing inside the victim.
Quick question, say the mother is at risk of death (i.e has contracted intrahepatic cholastasis) or has known predisposing conditions that are nearly certain to eventuate towards a lethal outcome. If she dies, the baby dies too… Do you still think it’s unacceptable to terminate the pregnancy?
Ya pay, ya play doesn’t exactly make sense if both the baby and the mother have to die.
Slight bipurfication:
You know, I can’t say if it was spoken about much, but before we had such incredibly good medical rechnology, that was always on the table.
Like, if you think about it for a minute, there were some very serious reasons for the chaste ideals of times even not too long ago.
And even still today. Not nearly to the extent that it was in my grandparents generation, but still a part of it none the less.
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Of maybe knowing you aren’t ready to be a parent and don’t want to give a kid a miserable childhood.
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Aren’t you glad this is no longer the case? Maternal mortality rates have seen sharp reductions over the past century, the average lifespan has also increased significantly. The current pandemic plaguing our society may put a dent in this though.
We could go back and fourth regarding the “pro-death” semantics of abortion as a byproduct of modern societal constructs (if you consider abortion to be akin to murder), but imo the discrepancy regarding death rates as a whole back in say… The 1920’s vs death rates now following technological advances, but with the caveat of legalised abortion I’d argue we are probably trending “lower” regarding absolute death rates now.
We can’t inherently pick and choose, I don’t believe opting/striving for perceived utopian ideals is feasible
Nope.
There are threads in PWI for that, which I also avoid for very personal reasons.
This made me think of a joke.
What did the banana pepper say to the Scottish bell?
Aren’t you a little chili? 
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Biblically, if the baby threatens the mother’s life, the mother has the option of abortion.
“Life” is defined more broadly than physical survival alone. Victims of rape and incest never chose to have intercourse, and the pregnancy was forced on them. Carrying the baby full term could ruin the woman’s life - by actions she never consented to - so, in those cases, she also has the option of abortion.
I feel like now it was a social thing. Back then I used to go to clubs and stuff, and these girls were my friend’s friends. Now it’s not really my scene.
Hey man women get intimidated by that stuff
In response to both of these comments, I’ve had women get to know me and feel insecure because my life “is put together well”, and they feel as if they can’t keep up. In some cases, they’re not wrong, but I always wasnt like this
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Aren’t you the guy here who whining that he can’t get a girlfriend?
I’m a 33 year old man and I’ve been married. I know what it’s like.
#dadjokes
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Exactly. You know what it’s like. And you’re honestly gonna tell me it’s easy? LOL. If it was easy, you would still be married.
Y’all are ruining such a great thread. This is not the place for common sense and deep thinking.
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Brrrrrrrt!
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Ever been to a music festival?
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Look at yourself. An honest look. You might want to start by accepting that the women you will most likely end up with will be the female versions of you. If you don’t like that then that tells you something about how you feel about yourself.
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