Tbol seems to very minimally suppressive from what everyone writes. What kind of PCT do you guys do with a moderate Tbol cycle only? Nolva in what dose for how long? Any HCG use?
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Tbol seems to very minimally suppressive from what everyone writes. What kind of PCT do you guys do with a moderate Tbol cycle only? Nolva in what dose for how long? Any HCG use?[/quote]
Personally after 9 weeks of tBol [40mg ed] I went with
Nolvadex 40mg week 1, 30mg week 2, 20mg week 3, 10mg week 4. No HCG, No Clomid. Some OTC products like liv52, RYR, etc
For shorter cycles of 6-8 weeks I probably could have done 3 weeks of 30,20,10. Suppression of course will vary from body to body. Mine didn’t become so noticeable until right towards the end.
9 weeks might seem like a weird duration but after selling some of my BD to an amigo that’s all I had. Probably a good thing to because another week might have caused Mr. Happy to be not so happy anymore
[quote]sapasion wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Tbol seems to very minimally suppressive from what everyone writes. What kind of PCT do you guys do with a moderate Tbol cycle only? Nolva in what dose for how long? Any HCG use?
Personally after 9 weeks of tBol [40mg ed] I went with
Nolvadex 40mg week 1, 30mg week 2, 20mg week 3, 10mg week 4. No HCG, No Clomid. Some OTC products like liv52, RYR, etc
For shorter cycles of 6-8 weeks I probably could have done 3 weeks of 30,20,10. Suppression of course will vary from body to body. Mine didn’t become so noticeable until right towards the end.
9 weeks might seem like a weird duration but after selling some of my BD to an amigo that’s all I had. Probably a good thing to because another week might have caused Mr. Happy to be not so happy anymore
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Thanks for the input. You used Red Yeast Rice and liv52 throughout the cycle? Fish oil? Anything else along these lines worthwhile?
My buddy who used it loved it.
He used very minimal PCT and has kept most of his gains.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Thanks for the input. You used Red Yeast Rice and liv52 throughout the cycle? Fish oil? Anything else along these lines worthwhile?[/quote]
I did/do use CoQ10, fish and flax seed oil daily. I didn’t use RYR during the entire cycle. For one I ran out of RYR and as for Liv52 I’ve always held to the belief that using liver support during an oral cycle can actually impede results.
I did eat up a bottle of Liv 52 after the cycle. Thermolife puts out a product called Liver Longer that has me interested; as its marketed directly for Liver Support for 17-alpha alkylated Steroid Users. Might try that next year [next cycle].
[quote]sapasion wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Thanks for the input. You used Red Yeast Rice and liv52 throughout the cycle? Fish oil? Anything else along these lines worthwhile?
I did/do use CoQ10, fish and flax seed oil daily. I didn’t use RYR during the entire cycle. For one I ran out of RYR and as for Liv52 I’ve always held to the belief that using liver support during an oral cycle can actually impede results.
I did eat up a bottle of Liv 52 after the cycle. Thermolife puts out a product called Liver Longer that has me interested; as its marketed directly for Liver Support for 17-alpha alkylated Steroid Users. Might try that next year [next cycle].[/quote]
Interesting. Thanks
From my readings OT was used extensively with the GDR and thorougly researched. However I only found 1 research in english.
It is the same one used by AR
It is the same one used by most web sites.
In it they do not mention the ratios of OTmg per Kg to be used.
Anyone has other links or knows extra research?
Here is the citation of the research I read:
Franke, Werner W. And Brigitte Berendonk, “Hormonal doping and androgenization of athletes: a secret program of the German Democratic Republic governement”. Clinical Chemistry, 43: 7, 1997.