[quote]streamline wrote:
For making fuel Hemp would be the best source. Grows anywhere and grows almost as fast as bamboo. Multiple uses and theres no need for subsides, could you imagine rich farmers. That would suck wouldn’t it. [/quote]
Not in the arid south plains. That’s why I mentioned switchgrass.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
It is called competition and fair trade it is how consumers get a fair price. Do you want to pay $ 1000 for a DVD player or $ 40?
Competition is what makes the world go around. Competition drives prices down and quality up. When companies (and workers) don’t have competition they get fat and lazy and screw the consumer. Just look at our bloated government for example.
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Just labor won’t make that much of a difference, however I know you’re exaggerating anyway. America is too capitalistic to allow a monopoly without competition. The low wages in other countries is due to the fact that the people there haven’t forced a revolution of one sort or another, government or labor-wise.
As soon as workers start standing up for themselves in these countries in numbers too large to simply be fired and sent away, they’ll gain workers rights and a minimum wage. As soon as this happens, the companies will have been just as well off to keep jobs in America. Production jobs will slowly creep back, however this may not be for a long time.
puts up flame wall
My personal opinion is to levy a high tariff against all imported goods not necessary, doodads if you will. If you don’t need to to survive, it’s taxed higher. This will slightly drive down all markets,but it will make companies think twice about exporting labor, and generate revenue for the government, maybe to be cycled into social security or something of the like.
Ah, sorry for the double post, Someone mentioned Huckabee, but no one has mentioned the “tax break” we’re getting, or his stance on it. We don’t have the money, we’re 9 TRILLION dollars in debt, as opposed to 4 trillion when G.W. bush took office, so we’re borrowing it from…China! The hope is that we’ll spend it on consumer goods to slightly stimulate the economy.
Only one problem… We’ll be buying China’s goods, reducing the effect at home, while China gets back a lot of the money they loaned us, basically just adding more onto the national debt. Seems like a waste, truly.
I rather be in American then the God Forsaken country my parents came from and unless you know German,Russian,Japanese or the other major badasses in WWII then your pretty much stuck here because thoese are the only countries that are doing exceptionally well compared to everybody else and oh yeah,the language barrier.
ugh…I hate the OC
[quote]At best it is break even. But I think - especially with corn and wheat - that it is negative.
Switchgrass, and sugar cane are far more efficient than grains.[/quote]
I’ve gotta admit, I’m a big fan of nuclear energy. We could drop all of our spent fuel rods on the Arabs in exchange for all they’ve done to us.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
At best it is break even. But I think - especially with corn and wheat - that it is negative.
Switchgrass, and sugar cane are far more efficient than grains.
I’ve gotta admit, I’m a big fan of nuclear energy. We could drop all of our spent fuel rods on the Arabs in exchange for all they’ve done to us.[/quote]
I agree. People want to talk about how evil the big pharma lobby is. I would submit that the enviro-whacko lobby has done far more harm to the progress of the US than any other single group inside the beltway.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
rainjack wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Subsidies are going away. With the sudden rise in grain prices, cotton is being drug along with it. Last year not a single farmer client of mine received a dollar in price support. Granted, the huge price increase is due in large part to the Ethanol Program, and the rest due to a deflated dollar.
The Conservation Reserve Program is being phased out in 2 years, which has been the biggest government handout in history.
Thank God.
Not so fast. We are replacing out right Gov’t farm subsidies with an artificial market for grains. Ethanol production, as the fed has it currently running, is a joke. It takes more energy to produce a gallon of ethanol than a gallon of ethanol will produce.
It is only a matter of time before this program is scrapped.
I thought it had at least a slightly positive energy balance. Looks like I was fooled again. Looks like it’s another government scam. [/quote]
It all depends on what numbers you use. The most positive ratio I have seen is 1.3:1 which is still not worthwhile.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
At best it is break even. But I think - especially with corn and wheat - that it is negative.
Switchgrass, and sugar cane are far more efficient than grains.
I’ve gotta admit, I’m a big fan of nuclear energy. We could drop all of our spent fuel rods on the Arabs in exchange for all they’ve done to us.
I agree. People want to talk about how evil the big pharma lobby is. I would submit that the enviro-whacko lobby has done far more harm to the progress of the US than any other single group inside the beltway. [/quote]
There are enough issues with nuclear power that it wouldn’t be a “magic bullet”, but I still think it’s criminal the way the nuclear energy industry has been strangled by ignorance and fearmongering.
Fact: Between a coal plant and a nuclear plant of similar power production, the coal plant produces more radioactive waste and a lot more environmental pollution. Yet coal plants make up the backbone of U.S. electricity generation.
Fact: That ominous-looking gas you see rising out of a nuclear plant’s smoke stacks? It’s water vapor!
People want to end U.S. dependence on foreign oil, and then balk at the idea of nuclear power.
[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
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Fact: That ominous-looking gas you see rising out of a nuclear plant’s smoke stacks? It’s water vapor!
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My oldest daughter used to think TMI was where clods come from.
I want to be clear here. I’m not saying we should target tariffs to protect certain industries (protectionism). I’m saying that unless one is an anarchist, one realizes the need for some form of tax revenue.
And if taxation leads to a higher cost in doing business, goods, and services, why use a system that adds cost to our own?
[quote]rainjack wrote:
How does one “fairly” take land from a rightful, legal land owner and give it to someone else?
Horrible idea. Absolutely horrible. [/quote]
Why, eminent domain, naturally. And while the government’s at it, please take the keys to my house so they can build an apartment complex.
[quote]beebuddy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
As for farming, we could do away with subsidies.
Or only subsidize small farms with niche markets. That’s the incentive idea. [/quote]
I’m not sure I’ve ever seen two more stupid, ill-informed statements in my life.
Sloth: Subsidies are what put your food on the table today. Additionally, you take away farm subsidies, you destroy the livelihoods of a disproportionate number of Americans, and wreck the economic stability of numerous small towns. But oh, that’s ok because they will find work elsewhere. Where? The farmers that I know and have grown up with are incredibly intelligent people (shocking, isn’t it?), but if you’ve been out of the traditional workforce for 10, 15 or 20 years, jumping back in is the next best thing to impossible.
and Beebuddy: Please, quit typing. Subsidizing small farms with niche markets as opposed to larger farms which produce the food the average American eats (and can AFFORD) every day? That’s like not subsidizing farms at all–in which case, please refer to what I just told Sloth…
[quote]speezy wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
As for farming, we could do away with subsidies.
Or only subsidize small farms with niche markets. That’s the incentive idea.
I’m not sure I’ve ever seen two more stupid, ill-informed statements in my life.
Sloth: Subsidies are what put your food on the table today. Additionally, you take away farm subsidies, you destroy the livelihoods of a disproportionate number of Americans, and wreck the economic stability of numerous small towns. But oh, that’s ok because they will find work elsewhere. Where? The farmers that I know and have grown up with are incredibly intelligent people (shocking, isn’t it?), but if you’ve been out of the traditional workforce for 10, 15 or 20 years, jumping back in is the next best thing to impossible.
and Beebuddy: Please, quit typing. Subsidizing small farms with niche markets as opposed to larger farms which produce the food the average American eats (and can AFFORD) every day? That’s like not subsidizing farms at all–in which case, please refer to what I just told Sloth…[/quote]
I’ll buy food from the competetion of Joe Farmer, if he decides he can’t hack it without government money. I’ll buy what’s available from his foreign competetion, too.
It is interesting that the subsidies given to the farmer down south are losing the selling power up here in the north because of the high price of transportation. Fact is that the once cheap Mexican produce is now higher in price than our local produce. The US produce is not far behind in price either.
[quote]smatsushima1 wrote:
So how is life in Canada? [/quote]
not much better.
Cold as fuck.
Economy is good
Not too hard to find a job
Education is pretty good, depends on location + school
Cost of living is pretty low-mid, but u gotta pay 14% (13% now?) tax
Im about to start robbing peoples families if I get any broker. Thats for sure.
[quote]speezy wrote:
and Beebuddy: Please, quit typing. Subsidizing small farms with niche markets as opposed to larger farms which produce the food the average American eats (and can AFFORD) every day? That’s like not subsidizing farms at all–in which case, please refer to what I just told Sloth…[/quote]
You’re an idiot, and you haven’t grasped the point. Since you’re not only an idiot, but a rude idiot, you can also fuck off, lol.
[quote]beebuddy wrote:
speezy wrote:
and Beebuddy: Please, quit typing. Subsidizing small farms with niche markets as opposed to larger farms which produce the food the average American eats (and can AFFORD) every day? That’s like not subsidizing farms at all–in which case, please refer to what I just told Sloth…
You’re an idiot, and you haven’t grasped the point. Since you’re not only an idiot, but a rude idiot, you can also fuck off, lol.[/quote]
Please stop mistaking your stupidity for other’s rudeness.
Face it - your ideas are about as stupid as they can be. Your condescension to the American farmer is more insulting than anything anyone has posted about you.
[quote]johnnytang24 wrote:
Funny you should mention Canada:
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That is hilarious, pretty funny site too.