Humans vs Animals

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[quote]cct wrote:

[quote]clip11 wrote:
So no one will give up all there money for the life of a stranger, but expect me or someone else to give up the life of a beloved pet for the life of a stranger? See the hypocrisy. I thought human life was supreme over all else? You wouldn’t give up your money to save a stranger, it would make you very uncomfortable, but you wouldn’t die because of it.[/quote]

$100,000 can get you more than 100 pets. You can own a fucking zoo with that kind of money.
Giving away your life savings for anyone, even family is stupid, when you can just hold a fundraiser for the person. That way, the person will get saved, and no one’s standard of living will be severely decreased. If you really want to save that person, you might have to pitch in $30,000, but that’s certainly better than losing everything. The $100,000 isn’t just uselessly sitting there, money flows around and can be used to accomplish many different objectives. Giving away all your money for an one time event just means that you will be screwed if you want to accomplish something else or help out somebody else.
Your pet does not have this type of potential. It is a single purpose commodity that is relatively useless in most situations. In most cases, having a pet is a luxury, not a necessity. [/quote]

I wasn’t talking about fundraisers. You wouldn’t give up all of YOURS NOT SOMEONE ELSE’S. Your money means more to you than a random persons life, it’s ok to admit it. You think it’s ok to value your money (no matter the amount) over a humans life, but i’m a bad guy if I value a pet that I love over a human. In a way, you’re more selfish. At least I preserve a life, even if it is an animals. You preserve no life, the only thing you preserve is your material comfort…at the expense of someone else’s life. Because all money can get you is material things. The only thing you would accomplish with 100 grand is buying a house, a boat, a car, traveling. So unless giving away your life savings would cause you physical death or great bodily harm, the it should be no reason you shouldn’t be willing to give it up if you would expect me to kill my dog or allow it to die for a random person. The same random person you wouldn’t save by giving away your money.

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[quote]clip11 wrote:

[quote]cct wrote:

[quote]clip11 wrote:
So no one will give up all there money for the life of a stranger, but expect me or someone else to give up the life of a beloved pet for the life of a stranger? See the hypocrisy. I thought human life was supreme over all else? You wouldn’t give up your money to save a stranger, it would make you very uncomfortable, but you wouldn’t die because of it.[/quote]

$100,000 can get you more than 100 pets. You can own a fucking zoo with that kind of money.
Giving away your life savings for anyone, even family is stupid, when you can just hold a fundraiser for the person. That way, the person will get saved, and no one’s standard of living will be severely decreased. If you really want to save that person, you might have to pitch in $30,000, but that’s certainly better than losing everything. The $100,000 isn’t just uselessly sitting there, money flows around and can be used to accomplish many different objectives. Giving away all your money for an one time event just means that you will be screwed if you want to accomplish something else or help out somebody else.
Your pet does not have this type of potential. It is a single purpose commodity that is relatively useless in most situations. In most cases, having a pet is a luxury, not a necessity. [/quote]

I wasn’t talking about fundraisers. You wouldn’t give up all of YOURS NOT SOMEONE ELSE’S. Your money means more to you than a random persons life, it’s ok to admit it. You think it’s ok to value your money (no matter the amount) over a humans life, but i’m a bad guy if I value a pet that I love over a human. In a way, you’re more selfish. At least I preserve a life, even if it is an animals. You preserve no life, the only thing you preserve is your material comfort…at the expense of someone else’s life. Because all money can get you is material things. The only thing you would accomplish with 100 grand is buying a house, a boat, a car, traveling. So unless giving away your life savings would cause you physical death or great bodily harm, the it should be no reason you shouldn’t be willing to give it up if you would expect me to kill my dog or allow it to die for a random person. The same random person you wouldn’t save by giving away your money.[/quote]

Wrong. Learn2economics101. I’d rather start a small business with my $100,000. I’d hire workers who would otherwise be unemployed and possibly dying on the streets. Yes I may be selfish, but my selfishness would help more people for a longer period of time than all your bullshit nobleness. Sometimes a good plan is more helpful to people than good intentions with a shitty financial plan. Give away your $100,000, cause there will be no one to save you when you need that money.
Even if I buy a house, boat, or car. My demand for such a product provides a way for the plumber, carpenter, real estate agents, engineers, boat/car mechanic, etc to make a living. One of these workers who helped to make the product I wanted could potential die if they did not get paid for doing what they did.
What does your pet do? The pet itself does not work and adds no value to society. It’s only there for you own material comfort. Argument voided.

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[quote]cct wrote:

[quote]clip11 wrote:

[quote]cct wrote:

[quote]clip11 wrote:
So no one will give up all there money for the life of a stranger, but expect me or someone else to give up the life of a beloved pet for the life of a stranger? See the hypocrisy. I thought human life was supreme over all else? You wouldn’t give up your money to save a stranger, it would make you very uncomfortable, but you wouldn’t die because of it.[/quote]

$100,000 can get you more than 100 pets. You can own a fucking zoo with that kind of money.
Giving away your life savings for anyone, even family is stupid, when you can just hold a fundraiser for the person. That way, the person will get saved, and no one’s standard of living will be severely decreased. If you really want to save that person, you might have to pitch in $30,000, but that’s certainly better than losing everything. The $100,000 isn’t just uselessly sitting there, money flows around and can be used to accomplish many different objectives. Giving away all your money for an one time event just means that you will be screwed if you want to accomplish something else or help out somebody else.
Your pet does not have this type of potential. It is a single purpose commodity that is relatively useless in most situations. In most cases, having a pet is a luxury, not a necessity. [/quote]

I wasn’t talking about fundraisers. You wouldn’t give up all of YOURS NOT SOMEONE ELSE’S. Your money means more to you than a random persons life, it’s ok to admit it. You think it’s ok to value your money (no matter the amount) over a humans life, but i’m a bad guy if I value a pet that I love over a human. In a way, you’re more selfish. At least I preserve a life, even if it is an animals. You preserve no life, the only thing you preserve is your material comfort…at the expense of someone else’s life. Because all money can get you is material things. The only thing you would accomplish with 100 grand is buying a house, a boat, a car, traveling. So unless giving away your life savings would cause you physical death or great bodily harm, the it should be no reason you shouldn’t be willing to give it up if you would expect me to kill my dog or allow it to die for a random person. The same random person you wouldn’t save by giving away your money.[/quote]

Wrong. Learn2economics101. I’d rather start a small business with my $100,000. I’d hire workers who would otherwise be unemployed and possibly dying on the streets. Yes I may be selfish, but my selfishness would help more people for a longer period of time than all your bullshit nobleness. Sometimes a good plan is more helpful to people than good intentions with a shitty financial plan. Give away your $100,000, cause there will be no one to save you when you need that money.
Even if I buy a house, boat, or car. My demand for such a product provides a way for the plumber, carpenter, real estate agents, engineers, boat/car mechanic, etc to make a living. One of these workers who helped to make the product I wanted could potential die if they did not get paid for doing what they did.
What does your pet do? The pet itself does not work and adds no value to society. It’s only there for you own material comfort. Argument voided.[/quote]

You’re just rationalizing why you wouldn’t give away your life savings to not save a human life. The why’s don’t matter. And rationalizing it away by saying if you use the money to buy a car (as if you receive no benefit from it) it provides someone with a job is bullshit. In your mind your money>human life. And saying it provides someone with a job is a cop out. Because im willing to bet if you had $100 grand you would buy a big home in the burbs. Why not buy a $5000 house in the hood? You’d still be employing a carpenter somewhere. Or why not buy a 1990 ford taurus instead of that shiny new BMW or CTS? An engineer somewhere would benefit if you went with the Taurus. But you dont WANT A 20+ y/o car OR A HOUSE IN THE HOOD!!! It’s still transportation and a roof over your head.

Therefore: Your Money/Material Comfort>Random Human Beings life. It’s no way to talk around it, especially by saying you’re spending your money to provide others with jobs (as if you’re doing it solely for that reason).

Face it:

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[quote]clip11 wrote:

[quote]cct wrote:

[quote]clip11 wrote:

[quote]cct wrote:

[quote]clip11 wrote:
So no one will give up all there money for the life of a stranger, but expect me or someone else to give up the life of a beloved pet for the life of a stranger? See the hypocrisy. I thought human life was supreme over all else? You wouldn’t give up your money to save a stranger, it would make you very uncomfortable, but you wouldn’t die because of it.[/quote]

$100,000 can get you more than 100 pets. You can own a fucking zoo with that kind of money.
Giving away your life savings for anyone, even family is stupid, when you can just hold a fundraiser for the person. That way, the person will get saved, and no one’s standard of living will be severely decreased. If you really want to save that person, you might have to pitch in $30,000, but that’s certainly better than losing everything. The $100,000 isn’t just uselessly sitting there, money flows around and can be used to accomplish many different objectives. Giving away all your money for an one time event just means that you will be screwed if you want to accomplish something else or help out somebody else.
Your pet does not have this type of potential. It is a single purpose commodity that is relatively useless in most situations. In most cases, having a pet is a luxury, not a necessity. [/quote]

I wasn’t talking about fundraisers. You wouldn’t give up all of YOURS NOT SOMEONE ELSE’S. Your money means more to you than a random persons life, it’s ok to admit it. You think it’s ok to value your money (no matter the amount) over a humans life, but i’m a bad guy if I value a pet that I love over a human. In a way, you’re more selfish. At least I preserve a life, even if it is an animals. You preserve no life, the only thing you preserve is your material comfort…at the expense of someone else’s life. Because all money can get you is material things. The only thing you would accomplish with 100 grand is buying a house, a boat, a car, traveling. So unless giving away your life savings would cause you physical death or great bodily harm, the it should be no reason you shouldn’t be willing to give it up if you would expect me to kill my dog or allow it to die for a random person. The same random person you wouldn’t save by giving away your money.[/quote]

Wrong. Learn2economics101. I’d rather start a small business with my $100,000. I’d hire workers who would otherwise be unemployed and possibly dying on the streets. Yes I may be selfish, but my selfishness would help more people for a longer period of time than all your bullshit nobleness. Sometimes a good plan is more helpful to people than good intentions with a shitty financial plan. Give away your $100,000, cause there will be no one to save you when you need that money.
Even if I buy a house, boat, or car. My demand for such a product provides a way for the plumber, carpenter, real estate agents, engineers, boat/car mechanic, etc to make a living. One of these workers who helped to make the product I wanted could potential die if they did not get paid for doing what they did.
What does your pet do? The pet itself does not work and adds no value to society. It’s only there for you own material comfort. Argument voided.[/quote]

You’re just rationalizing why you wouldn’t give away your life savings to not save a human life. The why’s don’t matter. And rationalizing it away by saying if you use the money to buy a car (as if you receive no benefit from it) it provides someone with a job is bullshit. In your mind your money>human life. And saying it provides someone with a job is a cop out. Because im willing to bet if you had $100 grand you would buy a big home in the burbs. Why not buy a $5000 house in the hood? You’d still be employing a carpenter somewhere. Or why not buy a 1990 ford taurus instead of that shiny new BMW or CTS? An engineer somewhere would benefit if you went with the Taurus. But you dont WANT A 20+ y/o car OR A HOUSE IN THE HOOD!!! It’s still transportation and a roof over your head.

Therefore: Your Money/Material Comfort>Random Human Beings life. It’s no way to talk around it, especially by saying you’re spending your money to provide others with jobs (as if you’re doing it solely for that reason).

Face it:
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I have lived in the hood and couldn’t even afford any car. But the thing is that dumb people in the hood live off drug dealing or government pity money. Smart people from the hood tries to get out and make something out of their lives. Why are you doing bodybuilding, powerlifting, or any strength sports? You want to rise above the norm. If you ate half as much, and ate complete shit, as I have when my family was much worse off financially, you could still survive and provide the same shitty food for 5 other people. Why aren’t you doing that?
Fact is that anyone who can be saved by money can usually be saved by themselves or their close friends and family. The hypothetical situation really makes no sense unless the Joker is somehow involved and that you are Batman.
Reason for spending money does not matter. I went to the corner store today to get some chocolate milk today. I want my milk and don’t give a fuck about the livelihood of the store owner directly, but she was still damn glad that she made the sale and got money. You can be Mother Teresa in your mind, but if you live in the hood with your dog living off drug dealing and unemployment checks, and give away your life saving of $500 to save a random druggie from getting mugged and shot, you still haven’t done anything to improve the world. Best way to do things is to just be the best version of yourself that you can and do what will improve your life and lives of others on a large scale.

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]GorillaMon wrote:
Twelvty billion e cookies says: Most people who argue in favour of humans would save the life of just ONE of their own sons or daughters over even one THOUSAND random people. Humans are extremely partial, I don’t really think this kind of question is really about the general value of humans Vs animals, it’s more about the nature of human bias & the power of emotional attachments

To put it another way, in strictly utilitarian terms, most of us are inconsistent…some are just more aware of this inconsistency than others.
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Sorry, bud. You aren’t some philosopher-savant because you’re aware of that inconsistency. But even if you were, it’s still irrelevant. The above scenario involves weighing the lives of equals (read: human vs. human). Conversely, the trollish OP as it is stated is really a question of whether you distinguish between human and animal life.

There’s no way of knowing whether a random person is good or bad, so if you choose your dog, you’ve demonstrated an inability to make that distinction. That, or you’ve reached a level of cynicism I can’t even imagine, in which case I don’t see why you bother continuing your miserable existence.

Anyway, I’d kill the dog or any other pet I’ve ever owned for that random person.
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Chuckles at ‘philosopher savant’…I’m just surprised someone else didn’t say something similar.

Anyways back to the point in hand, I don’t agree this is clear-cut case of human life Vs animal life, if it was it’d have been phrased as such in the OP.

People that have been brought up with cats & dogs etc quite routinely view their pets as an extension of their family. Random people are not an extension of my family, hence the crucial difference in how I feel about them.

If the OP had merely said, if I had to save a random animal A Vs random person A, sure, I’d save the human.

Also, my view is NOT prompted by cynicism. I’m just honest:)

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I have a better question. Would you have sex with your father to save your mothers life?

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[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
I have a better question. Would you have sex with your father to save your mothers life?[/quote]

Jesus… That’s just plain disgusting…

I like it.

Let me ponder this for a bit.

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[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
I have a better question. Would you have sex with your father to save your mothers life?[/quote]

Jesus… That’s just plain disgusting…

I like it.

Let me ponder this for a bit.

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Haha, I stole it from South Park.

“If a killer put a knife to my throat, and said, “Have sex with your father or else I’m gonna kill your mother while having sex with you,” I would have sex with myself.”

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
So no one will give up all there money for the life of a stranger, but expect me or someone else to give up the life of a beloved pet for the life of a stranger? See the hypocrisy. I thought human life was supreme over all else? You wouldn’t give up your money to save a stranger, it would make you very uncomfortable, but you wouldn’t die because of it.[/quote]

I would. If someone said, “You have $100,000. Give it up or this man dies.” I would give it up, though it is not reasonable to think that everyone would do this, or that is mandatory that someone would do that. You seem to lack the prudence to understand the difference between someone’s livelihood and savings and someone’s dog.

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humans.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]clip11 wrote:
So no one will give up all there money for the life of a stranger, but expect me or someone else to give up the life of a beloved pet for the life of a stranger? See the hypocrisy. I thought human life was supreme over all else? You wouldn’t give up your money to save a stranger, it would make you very uncomfortable, but you wouldn’t die because of it.[/quote]

I would. If someone said, “You have $100,000. Give it up or this man dies.” I would give it up, though it is not reasonable to think that everyone would do this, or that is mandatory that someone would do that. You seem to lack the prudence to understand the difference between someone’s livelihood and savings and someone’s dog.[/quote]

Haven’t you noobs ever seen “The Box” ?

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[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]clip11 wrote:
So no one will give up all there money for the life of a stranger, but expect me or someone else to give up the life of a beloved pet for the life of a stranger? See the hypocrisy. I thought human life was supreme over all else? You wouldn’t give up your money to save a stranger, it would make you very uncomfortable, but you wouldn’t die because of it.[/quote]

I would. If someone said, “You have $100,000. Give it up or this man dies.” I would give it up, though it is not reasonable to think that everyone would do this, or that is mandatory that someone would do that. You seem to lack the prudence to understand the difference between someone’s livelihood and savings and someone’s dog.[/quote]

Haven’t you noobs ever seen “The Box” ?[/quote]

Yes and I actually enjoyed that movie, was NOT what I was expecting.

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[quote]TyDaddyKK wrote:
My dog over random person… not close[/quote]

random person (someone’s son or daughter) over my dog… not close

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I would say that anybody in the military that goes over seas is pretty much putting their life on the line for random people.

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:
People sometimes forget, that humans are also animals. (mammal)[/quote]

while this is correct, we are separate from animals in that we use technology(more complex than a stick to fish for termites) to aid ourselves, are at the top of the food chain, have the capacity for rational thought(greater than any animal discovered so far), and know we will die one day (sorry if this doesn’t apply to you), but I can see why you would see things the way you do as technically humans ARE animals to you anyways and so there really is no difference where you are concerned seeing as you as a vampire would view us as food in the same way we see animals as food, and a human life as more valuable, the real question for you is, Is a vampire life or an animal/human life more valuable to you?

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[quote]byukid wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:
The mere fact that you say we as humans hold a humans life over an animals life just shows how ignorant we are. I would save my cats without a second thought before any human. unless they were my close family. but, my cats are my close family. why are humans considered more valuable or better than animals. That is simply something i dont suscribe to.[/quote]
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Your avi’s perfect for this thread lol

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[quote]Nards wrote:
Young Bodyguard.

This explains it![/quote]

I could run much faster than this kid’s marginal genetics allowed. :slight_smile:

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Edgy wrote:
animals taste good.

that is all~[/quote]

So you’d kill and eat your dog if you both were lost in the wilderness without food?

I would.

Hey Clip (HH). Let’s bend this a bit. Would you KILL a person or your dog if a situation arose where you’d have to make that choice (assuming no crime or foul was committed by said person)?

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Or it will kill and eat you if it’s big enough … well not really unless it was perhaps rabid … or feral … or a wolfdog