There’s no point in having an in-depth discussion on a split second decision
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
This really isn’t an argument of any kind, I just wanted to show this video. I just found this interesting and amazing. How a supposed “killer” can be so loving and gentle. Of course i realize some will always say, “well, its just a matter of time” before they kill" oh really. lol.
Unbelievable The Real Lionman Kevin Richardson With 38 Lions! King Of Lions - YouTube [/quote]
The bro (forgot his name) is only “safe” because the lions are neither hungry nor see him as a threat. I’ve seen him on Animal Planet and he normally spends weeks gradually approaching the lions benignly and allowing them to adjust to his presence. Even then he’s taking a huge risk. Now if he happenned to cross paths with a nomad … well let’s just say he’s no Tarzan.
[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
If Clip and Rougevamp got into a fight, who would win?
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If you had to save Clip or RV from the brink of death, who would you choose?[/quote]
Depends on your strength level
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
This really isn’t an argument of any kind, I just wanted to show this video. I just found this interesting and amazing. How a supposed “killer” can be so loving and gentle. Of course i realize some will always say, “well, its just a matter of time” before they kill" oh really. lol.
Unbelievable The Real Lionman Kevin Richardson With 38 Lions! King Of Lions - YouTube [/quote]
check in with that guy from sigfried and roy lately? [/quote]
This video/RV’s response remind me of the guy that lived with Grizzly bears every summer for whatever many years, and had his video diaries played as a show on animal planet for awhile(can’t remember the exact name). You know what happened to him? He and his girlfriend went up one fall right before hibernation time when the fish are migrating and bears are scavenging for any food they can get; and bears ate both of them at night in their camp.
Every predator on this planet would act the same way. There are countless stories of exotic pet owners who make one misstep and cross the line from ‘owner’ to ‘oppressor’ or ‘prey.’ [/quote]
lulz
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
Dixie your up[/quote]
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Professor X (the white, paraplegic one): Dixie, what’s your mutant power?
Dixie: Finding the perfect pics on the interwebz
Professor X: Ah an Omega
[quote]cct wrote:
[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
I’ll take dogs over people every day of the week. Twice on Sunday. Yes dogs are predators, but so are people. The difference is that the dogs don’t lie about it (even if retard owners lie to themselves about it). My hound puts food in the freezer. People sure as hell don’t. What situation are you going to come across that you’ve gotta choose? A man, and a dog fell into the river in the middle of winter? It’s a dumb fucking dog. What the fuck is your excuse human? You not been listening to those warnings about ice thickness you’re whole life? Congratulations, you’ve just been naturally selected for elimination from the gene pool. Unless your a child, or mentally handycapped, your on you’re own.[/quote]
You really are ignorant. People are not at their top level of performance all the time. I’d choose to save the human every day of the week. If I saved the dog, I would just sell it for a couple hundred dollars. There’s much more unpredictability in humans. The heartless pessimist would believe that someone falling into a frozen river is a good for nothing dumbass. The realist or optimist would understand that shit just happen to good people sometimes. The drunken idiot who try to stab people with a razor blade at the college party may very well have publish groundbreaking research and be in the process of founding a multimillion dollar company that your life could depend on one day. You really must have not seen Ironman. If everyone chose to save the animal over the human in every situation, we would still be stuck in the stone age. You think Newton or Einstein didn’t do some crude, foolish shit as kids that could have gotten themselves killed?
Animals should be treated humanely, but valuing any species over the human species questions whether you are a traitor to your own species. RV doesn’t care because he is a vampire, which is not the same species as human beings, so that’s understandable.[/quote]
In 1939, Einstein signed a letter to President Roosevelt, convincing him to persue the potential of nuclear weaponry that eventually led to more than 100,000 deaths in Hiroshima, so ya, I guess it’s a good thing he didn’t die before than. Wait. What? I thought you said you valued human life? You wanna sell the dog? Why not sell the human? I bet you can make some serious coin parting them out on the black market. Kidneys, and lungs, and hearts are big bucks.
You’d be winning hard core than, making money, and feeling great about it by saving lives by selling organs to people in dire need. You’re right though, I haven’t seen Iron Man. I’m sure it would be a life changing experience. No way I’d be able to look at anything the same way ever again after seeing Robert Downy Jr. crack one liners while flying around in a red metal suit. You should start a church or something. Replace Jesus with Robert Downy Jr.
Speaking of Jesus, I wonder if anyone ever had the choice of a dog vs. Pontius Pilate. And a traiter to my species? My species deserves my loyalty and devotion now? Why? Because they share more genetic traits? If I’d save a black person over a white person does that make me a traitor to my own race aswell? If I save a woman over a man, am I a traiter to my gender?
What happens when you pull this person out of the river, and they turn around and push your ass in? You’re gonna feel awful stupid as your drifting down stream while the person you just saved laughs and points. I’ll take my individual known life form over random adult stranger thanks.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]clip11 wrote:
So no one will give up all there money for the life of a stranger, but expect me or someone else to give up the life of a beloved pet for the life of a stranger? See the hypocrisy. I thought human life was supreme over all else? You wouldn’t give up your money to save a stranger, it would make you very uncomfortable, but you wouldn’t die because of it.[/quote]
I would. If someone said, “You have $100,000. Give it up or this man dies.” I would give it up, though it is not reasonable to think that everyone would do this, or that is mandatory that someone would do that. You seem to lack the prudence to understand the difference between someone’s livelihood and savings and someone’s dog.[/quote]
The point is if human life holds supreme value as some on here suggests, then nothing should matter if it can be exchanged for saving said human life, whether it be your life savings or my dog thats a family member to me. if you with hold your life savings instead of parting with it to save a human life, then your life savings holds more value to you, no matter how you try to justify keeping it rather than giving it so save a life. The only acceptable reason in this case would be parting with it would somehow cause you serious physical harm or physical death. If something is supreme, it takes priority over anything else, and if you would hold your life savings instead of giving it to save a human life your money is supreme over human life.
[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
Speaking of Jesus, I wonder if anyone ever had the choice of a dog vs. Pontius Pilate. And a traiter to my species? My species deserves my loyalty and devotion now? Why? Because they share more genetic traits? If I’d save a black person over a white person does that make me a traitor to my own race aswell? If I save a woman over a man, am I a traiter to my gender?
What happens when you pull this person out of the river, and they turn around and push your ass in? You’re gonna feel awful stupid as your drifting down stream while the person you just saved laughs and points. I’ll take my individual known life form over random adult stranger thanks.
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Dog =/= Pontius Pilate, black person, white person, man, or woman.
Pontius Pilate, black person, white person, man, or woman = persons.
Persons>Dog
[quote]clip11 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]clip11 wrote:
So no one will give up all there money for the life of a stranger, but expect me or someone else to give up the life of a beloved pet for the life of a stranger? See the hypocrisy. I thought human life was supreme over all else? You wouldn’t give up your money to save a stranger, it would make you very uncomfortable, but you wouldn’t die because of it.[/quote]
I would. If someone said, “You have $100,000. Give it up or this man dies.” I would give it up, though it is not reasonable to think that everyone would do this, or that is mandatory that someone would do that. You seem to lack the prudence to understand the difference between someone’s livelihood and savings and someone’s dog.[/quote]
The point is if human life holds supreme value as some on here suggests, then nothing should matter if it can be exchanged for saving said human life, whether it be your life savings or my dog thats a family member to me. if you with hold your life savings instead of parting with it to save a human life, then your life savings holds more value to you, no matter how you try to justify keeping it rather than giving it so save a life. The only acceptable reason in this case would be parting with it would somehow cause you serious physical harm or physical death. If something is supreme, it takes priority over anything else, and if you would hold your life savings instead of giving it to save a human life your money is supreme over human life.[/quote]
Like I just said I would give the money. But it’s not reasonable to expect everyone to sacrifice their livelihood for some else’s life. That is what you’re asking, which is not the same as a dog.
Persona sustenance =/= a dog. Unless that dog is your food.
Okay so let me get this straight…(with a little scenario)
There is a room with my dog in it.
There is a room with a random human in it.
Whichever room I do not choose to open, that room will catch on fire and the person or dog in it will die?
I’m going to save the human bro! How COULDN’T you? Selfish pricks.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]clip11 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]clip11 wrote:
So no one will give up all there money for the life of a stranger, but expect me or someone else to give up the life of a beloved pet for the life of a stranger? See the hypocrisy. I thought human life was supreme over all else? You wouldn’t give up your money to save a stranger, it would make you very uncomfortable, but you wouldn’t die because of it.[/quote]
I would. If someone said, “You have $100,000. Give it up or this man dies.” I would give it up, though it is not reasonable to think that everyone would do this, or that is mandatory that someone would do that. You seem to lack the prudence to understand the difference between someone’s livelihood and savings and someone’s dog.[/quote]
The point is if human life holds supreme value as some on here suggests, then nothing should matter if it can be exchanged for saving said human life, whether it be your life savings or my dog thats a family member to me. if you with hold your life savings instead of parting with it to save a human life, then your life savings holds more value to you, no matter how you try to justify keeping it rather than giving it so save a life. The only acceptable reason in this case would be parting with it would somehow cause you serious physical harm or physical death. If something is supreme, it takes priority over anything else, and if you would hold your life savings instead of giving it to save a human life your money is supreme over human life.[/quote]
Like I just said I would give the money. But it’s not reasonable to expect everyone to sacrifice their livelihood for some else’s life. That is what you’re asking, which is not the same as a dog.
Persona sustenance =/= a dog. Unless that dog is your food.[/quote]
It’s not just about the dog, its about the value the dog holds to me (or it’s owner in question). Just like it really wouldn’t be about the money as much as the value of it. You may value your $100 grand, but I may value my dog more than you value your 100 grand. So if you (or anyone else) wouldn’t give up your 100 grand, why should I give my dog up?
[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
Okay so let me get this straight…(with a little scenario)
There is a room with my dog in it.
There is a room with a random human in it.
Whichever room I do not choose to open, that room will catch on fire and the person or dog in it will die?
I’m going to save the human bro! How COULDN’T you? Selfish pricks. [/quote]
Ok, if your life savings of $100,000 was in one room and a random human was in the other room and whichever room you do not open, then the room will catch on fire and the person would die or your money destroyed, then what would you do? If you choose to save your cash, then you really couldn’t fault someone for saving their dog. You would be just as selfish by your own standards.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]clip11 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]clip11 wrote:
So no one will give up all there money for the life of a stranger, but expect me or someone else to give up the life of a beloved pet for the life of a stranger? See the hypocrisy. I thought human life was supreme over all else? You wouldn’t give up your money to save a stranger, it would make you very uncomfortable, but you wouldn’t die because of it.[/quote]
I would. If someone said, “You have $100,000. Give it up or this man dies.” I would give it up, though it is not reasonable to think that everyone would do this, or that is mandatory that someone would do that. You seem to lack the prudence to understand the difference between someone’s livelihood and savings and someone’s dog.[/quote]
The point is if human life holds supreme value as some on here suggests, then nothing should matter if it can be exchanged for saving said human life, whether it be your life savings or my dog thats a family member to me. if you with hold your life savings instead of parting with it to save a human life, then your life savings holds more value to you, no matter how you try to justify keeping it rather than giving it so save a life. The only acceptable reason in this case would be parting with it would somehow cause you serious physical harm or physical death. If something is supreme, it takes priority over anything else, and if you would hold your life savings instead of giving it to save a human life your money is supreme over human life.[/quote]
Like I just said I would give the money. But it’s not reasonable to expect everyone to sacrifice their livelihood for some else’s life. That is what you’re asking, which is not the same as a dog.
Persona sustenance =/= a dog. Unless that dog is your food.[/quote]
Well if you would personally give up the money, then you can judge w/o being a hypocrite, anyone else who wouldn’t then they are a hypocrite.
[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
[quote]cct wrote:
[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
I’ll take dogs over people every day of the week. Twice on Sunday. Yes dogs are predators, but so are people. The difference is that the dogs don’t lie about it (even if retard owners lie to themselves about it). My hound puts food in the freezer. People sure as hell don’t. What situation are you going to come across that you’ve gotta choose? A man, and a dog fell into the river in the middle of winter? It’s a dumb fucking dog. What the fuck is your excuse human? You not been listening to those warnings about ice thickness you’re whole life? Congratulations, you’ve just been naturally selected for elimination from the gene pool. Unless your a child, or mentally handycapped, your on you’re own.[/quote]
You really are ignorant. People are not at their top level of performance all the time. I’d choose to save the human every day of the week. If I saved the dog, I would just sell it for a couple hundred dollars. There’s much more unpredictability in humans. The heartless pessimist would believe that someone falling into a frozen river is a good for nothing dumbass. The realist or optimist would understand that shit just happen to good people sometimes. The drunken idiot who try to stab people with a razor blade at the college party may very well have publish groundbreaking research and be in the process of founding a multimillion dollar company that your life could depend on one day. You really must have not seen Ironman. If everyone chose to save the animal over the human in every situation, we would still be stuck in the stone age. You think Newton or Einstein didn’t do some crude, foolish shit as kids that could have gotten themselves killed?
Animals should be treated humanely, but valuing any species over the human species questions whether you are a traitor to your own species. RV doesn’t care because he is a vampire, which is not the same species as human beings, so that’s understandable.[/quote]
In 1939, Einstein signed a letter to President Roosevelt, convincing him to persue the potential of nuclear weaponry that eventually led to more than 100,000 deaths in Hiroshima, so ya, I guess it’s a good thing he didn’t die before than. Wait. What? I thought you said you valued human life? You wanna sell the dog? Why not sell the human? I bet you can make some serious coin parting them out on the black market. Kidneys, and lungs, and hearts are big bucks.
You’d be winning hard core than, making money, and feeling great about it by saving lives by selling organs to people in dire need. You’re right though, I haven’t seen Iron Man. I’m sure it would be a life changing experience. No way I’d be able to look at anything the same way ever again after seeing Robert Downy Jr. crack one liners while flying around in a red metal suit. You should start a church or something. Replace Jesus with Robert Downy Jr.
Speaking of Jesus, I wonder if anyone ever had the choice of a dog vs. Pontius Pilate. And a traiter to my species? My species deserves my loyalty and devotion now? Why? Because they share more genetic traits? If I’d save a black person over a white person does that make me a traitor to my own race aswell? If I save a woman over a man, am I a traiter to my gender?
What happens when you pull this person out of the river, and they turn around and push your ass in? You’re gonna feel awful stupid as your drifting down stream while the person you just saved laughs and points. I’ll take my individual known life form over random adult stranger thanks.
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Why so pessimistic? Do you want a hug?
Like Chris said, people are people, it doesn’t matter who. And who says the dog would be predictable? What if it bites you and pushes you into the river?
Why Am I not selling human parts? I do not wish to harm innocent people to help rich people who just happen to be able to afford it.
Ironman existed way before the actor who played him in the movies. I like the concept of using my creative, entrepreneurial abilities to help others. But I also realize that I do stupid, risky shit all the time. It’s just one simple concept, not a fucking religion.
The political dynamics of nuclear weapons is far more complicated than you described. Sure the bombing killed a lot of people, but if it didn’t happen, we could have lost more troops and killed even more civilians if the dragged on.
[quote]clip11 wrote:
[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
Okay so let me get this straight…(with a little scenario)
There is a room with my dog in it.
There is a room with a random human in it.
Whichever room I do not choose to open, that room will catch on fire and the person or dog in it will die?
I’m going to save the human bro! How COULDN’T you? Selfish pricks. [/quote]
Ok, if your life savings of $100,000 was in one room and a random human was in the other room and whichever room you do not open, then the room will catch on fire and the person would die or your money destroyed, then what would you do? If you choose to save your cash, then you really couldn’t fault someone for saving their dog. You would be just as selfish by your own standards.[/quote]
If you somehow get into a situation like that in the first place, you are already being scammed. You can’t guarantee anything is behind the doors or if the random person is in it together with the person who set up the situation. But if you are sure that the person was innocent, then I would save the person.
[quote]clip11 wrote:
[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
Okay so let me get this straight…(with a little scenario)
There is a room with my dog in it.
There is a room with a random human in it.
Whichever room I do not choose to open, that room will catch on fire and the person or dog in it will die?
I’m going to save the human bro! How COULDN’T you? Selfish pricks. [/quote]
Ok, if your life savings of $100,000 was in one room and a random human was in the other room and whichever room you do not open, then the room will catch on fire and the person would die or your money destroyed, then what would you do? If you choose to save your cash, then you really couldn’t fault someone for saving their dog. You would be just as selfish by your own standards.[/quote]
Ya, if I were to take the door with the money…which I wouldn’t.
But now you’re trying to put a PRICE on someone’s life. I bet if YOUR life savings was $5, you would save the person because really, whats $5 in today’s society? According to you, you can just get a job at burger king for ONE hour and make it back. You’re not comparing two lives in this situation. You’re 100% twisted if you would still save your dog over the human in the scenario I gave.
Everyone has their own set of morals I guess, but you’re still a selfish prick for saving a dog over a human no matter which way you try to work your way around it.
[quote]clip11 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]clip11 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]clip11 wrote:
So no one will give up all there money for the life of a stranger, but expect me or someone else to give up the life of a beloved pet for the life of a stranger? See the hypocrisy. I thought human life was supreme over all else? You wouldn’t give up your money to save a stranger, it would make you very uncomfortable, but you wouldn’t die because of it.[/quote]
I would. If someone said, “You have $100,000. Give it up or this man dies.” I would give it up, though it is not reasonable to think that everyone would do this, or that is mandatory that someone would do that. You seem to lack the prudence to understand the difference between someone’s livelihood and savings and someone’s dog.[/quote]
The point is if human life holds supreme value as some on here suggests, then nothing should matter if it can be exchanged for saving said human life, whether it be your life savings or my dog thats a family member to me. if you with hold your life savings instead of parting with it to save a human life, then your life savings holds more value to you, no matter how you try to justify keeping it rather than giving it so save a life. The only acceptable reason in this case would be parting with it would somehow cause you serious physical harm or physical death. If something is supreme, it takes priority over anything else, and if you would hold your life savings instead of giving it to save a human life your money is supreme over human life.[/quote]
Like I just said I would give the money. But it’s not reasonable to expect everyone to sacrifice their livelihood for some else’s life. That is what you’re asking, which is not the same as a dog.
Persona sustenance =/= a dog. Unless that dog is your food.[/quote]
It’s not just about the dog, its about the value the dog holds to me (or it’s owner in question). Just like it really wouldn’t be about the money as much as the value of it. You may value your $100 grand, but I may value my dog more than you value your 100 grand. So if you (or anyone else) wouldn’t give up your 100 grand, why should I give my dog up?[/quote]
Because a dog is not pertinent to you staying alive.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]clip11 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]clip11 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]clip11 wrote:
So no one will give up all there money for the life of a stranger, but expect me or someone else to give up the life of a beloved pet for the life of a stranger? See the hypocrisy. I thought human life was supreme over all else? You wouldn’t give up your money to save a stranger, it would make you very uncomfortable, but you wouldn’t die because of it.[/quote]
I would. If someone said, “You have $100,000. Give it up or this man dies.” I would give it up, though it is not reasonable to think that everyone would do this, or that is mandatory that someone would do that. You seem to lack the prudence to understand the difference between someone’s livelihood and savings and someone’s dog.[/quote]
The point is if human life holds supreme value as some on here suggests, then nothing should matter if it can be exchanged for saving said human life, whether it be your life savings or my dog thats a family member to me. if you with hold your life savings instead of parting with it to save a human life, then your life savings holds more value to you, no matter how you try to justify keeping it rather than giving it so save a life. The only acceptable reason in this case would be parting with it would somehow cause you serious physical harm or physical death. If something is supreme, it takes priority over anything else, and if you would hold your life savings instead of giving it to save a human life your money is supreme over human life.[/quote]
Like I just said I would give the money. But it’s not reasonable to expect everyone to sacrifice their livelihood for some else’s life. That is what you’re asking, which is not the same as a dog.
Persona sustenance =/= a dog. Unless that dog is your food.[/quote]
It’s not just about the dog, its about the value the dog holds to me (or it’s owner in question). Just like it really wouldn’t be about the money as much as the value of it. You may value your $100 grand, but I may value my dog more than you value your 100 grand. So if you (or anyone else) wouldn’t give up your 100 grand, why should I give my dog up?[/quote]
Because a dog is not pertinent to you staying alive.[/quote]
Neither is 100 grand. All you need is food, shelter, clothing, and water. You can find a cheap apartment in the city, Goodwill has plenty of cheap clothing, I guess you could get an EBT card or if you aren’t the type to take gov’t assistance, you could survive of bread and potatoes. Point is, you don’t need 100 grand to stay alive. 100 grand will get you a bigger house instead of a cheap apt., you could then eat steak and lobster, and you wouldn’t have to shop at Goodwill. So that argument fails.
[quote]cct wrote:
[quote]clip11 wrote:
[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
Okay so let me get this straight…(with a little scenario)
There is a room with my dog in it.
There is a room with a random human in it.
Whichever room I do not choose to open, that room will catch on fire and the person or dog in it will die?
I’m going to save the human bro! How COULDN’T you? Selfish pricks. [/quote]
Ok, if your life savings of $100,000 was in one room and a random human was in the other room and whichever room you do not open, then the room will catch on fire and the person would die or your money destroyed, then what would you do? If you choose to save your cash, then you really couldn’t fault someone for saving their dog. You would be just as selfish by your own standards.[/quote]
If you somehow get into a situation like that in the first place, you are already being scammed. You can’t guarantee anything is behind the doors or if the random person is in it together with the person who set up the situation. But if you are sure that the person was innocent, then I would save the person.[/quote]
I was using Rico Suave’s example.
These threads are fucking retarded clip