[quote]Professor X wrote:
hedo wrote:
Why do success of others breed contempt on your part?
Where did he write that he had contempt for those who are successful? Who do you know of on this board that has contempt for success?[/quote]
Try reading the posts before asking stupid questions.
[quote]hedo wrote:
Why do success of others breed contempt on your part? Why do you assume compassion is only possible if you are liberal?
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I am not in contempt of successful people. I myself am very successful (in my own opinion) at what I do. I am in contempt of people who care only about their own survival and success. My obligation as a human is not just to myself but my brother as well. And I’m an atheist…
I am glad you volunteer with habitat (great organization). We need more people doing charity and not preaching charity.
[quote]JeffR wrote:
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I think you are precious!!!
JeffR
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You got me! Again. Now if we could get him to run the country…
just kidding.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
hedo wrote:
Why do success of others breed contempt on your part? Why do you assume compassion is only possible if you are liberal?
I am not in contempt of successful people. I myself am very successful (in my own opinion) at what I do. I am in contempt of people who care only about their own survival and success. My obligation as a human is not just to myself but my brother as well. And I’m an atheist…
I am glad you volunteer with habitat (great organization). We need more people doing charity and not preaching charity.[/quote]
Perhaps a misunderstanding on my part then. No issue.
But I will take a moment for a shamelss plug. Habitat for Humanity is a great organization. They always need people to work in NYC. Skill is not required, trust me on that! Just an able body and 8 hrs. whenever you can spare it. And if you do have a skill you are sorely needed.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
hedo wrote:
Why do success of others breed contempt on your part? Why do you assume compassion is only possible if you are liberal?
I am not in contempt of successful people. I myself am very successful (in my own opinion) at what I do. I am in contempt of people who care only about their own survival and success. My obligation as a human is not just to myself but my brother as well. And I’m an atheist…
I am glad you volunteer with habitat (great organization). We need more people doing charity and not preaching charity.[/quote]
By your own words and posts you do appear to be, at the very least, spiteful of those woth financial means. Virtually all of your posts allude to this. So I would guess your success is based on something other than financial prosperity.
That’s cool, just don’t act like those of means are all money grubbin right wing zealots who care nothing for their ‘brother.’
Liftus,
I’m getting real fond of you!!!
Seriously.
I think that you, Makkun, Dean and I could have a reasonable conversation.
That’s my highest compliment!!!
JeffR
[quote]sasquatch wrote:
That’s cool, just don’t act like those of means are all money grubbin right wing zealots who care nothing for their ‘brother.’
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No, not all people with money are right wing zealots–just the right wing zelots with money. It just seems to me there are too many of them out there preaching. I am very guily of becoming overly emotional about it. I am sure there are some great people out there who practice what they preach.
But then again, people get tired of listening to leftist, tree-hugging hippie crap, too. 
[quote]JeffR wrote:
Liftus,
I’m getting real fond of you!!!
Seriously.
I think that you, Makkun, Dean and I could have a reasonable conversation.
That’s my highest compliment!!!
JeffR[/quote]
If he tries to hug you, LIFT - run. Run really fast.
Rain,
Stop playing hard to get!!!
You can come over for a little touchy feely!!!
Got nothin’ but love for ya.
JeffR
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
sasquatch wrote:
That’s cool, just don’t act like those of means are all money grubbin right wing zealots who care nothing for their ‘brother.’
No, not all people with money are right wing zealots–just the right wing zelots with money. It just seems to me there are too many of them out there preaching. I am very guily of becoming overly emotional about it. I am sure there are some great people out there who practice what they preach.
But then again, people get tired of listening to leftist, tree-hugging hippie crap, too. ;-)[/quote]
agreed
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
hedo wrote:
Why do success of others breed contempt on your part?
Where did he write that he had contempt for those who are successful? Who do you know of on this board that has contempt for success?
Try reading the posts before asking stupid questions.[/quote]
Stupid question? If was as stupid as you say, he wouldn’t have clarified that same issue in the post right after yours. It seems to be widespread that some think you can’t be against “big business” while also attempting to be personally successful. I find that to be false. Nothing about that is stupid…but then, it is you…and you do whine.
[quote]hedo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
hedo wrote:
Why do success of others breed contempt on your part?
Where did he write that he had contempt for those who are successful? Who do you know of on this board that has contempt for success?
Perhaps you read a different post?
The obvious coorealtion he was making is that if you are Conservative (successful in business) then you have no compassion.
“drop a wad of cash”, “ministers driving cadillacs”.
What do you think he was saying?
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I think he was saying the same thing I am saying here, that increasing the role of large business does not equal increasing the status of the community. That means, you either;
a) care about the whole community and truly think that by giving more breaks to larger businesses that this will help everyone
b) don’t really care about anyone else aside from those in your particular income bracket.
c) truly believe that some people are poor simply because they don’t work hard enough so give more breaks to the rich because they worked “harder”.
Is there one that I missed? It would lead most to thinking that someone willing to give large businesses the primary concern had less concern for the community as a whole…unless you believed that simply putting up a new WalMart in a poor neighborhood would decrease the number of poor people and elevate the community.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
hedo wrote:
Why do success of others breed contempt on your part?
Where did he write that he had contempt for those who are successful? Who do you know of on this board that has contempt for success?
Try reading the posts before asking stupid questions.
Stupid question? If was as stupid as you say, he wouldn’t have clarified that same issue in the post right after yours. It seems to be widespread that some think you can’t be against “big business” while also attempting to be personally successful. I find that to be false. Nothing about that is stupid…but then, it is you…and you do whine.[/quote]
You continually prove that you don’t read posts. That makes your posts ignorant, if not stupid. Here is the original post. Please feel free to show me anywhere that big business is mentioned:
[i]I’ve never seen a conservative republican hanging out at a soup kitchen or donating their time at a battered woman?s shelter. Just because you drop a wad of cash in the collection plate on Sunday so your minister can drive a Cadillac doesn’t make you compassionate nor a good Christian.
I don’t think poor people are blaming the system per se. But what do expect them to think when they see CEOs get away with corporate crime or hire lawyers to fight their way out of paying taxes. You can’t tell me the system is fair. Meanwhile they can’t afford to feed their children or pay for childcare , etc. I’m not asking you to take care of them–just try to understand why things maybe difficult for them. That is my definition of compassion.[/i]
There are exponentially more CEO’s of small corps than there are in “big business”.
Maybe you call it whining. I call it being sick and tired of people who can’t/won’t read, then have the audacity to throw their un-supported opinion around.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Maybe you call it whining. I call it being sick and tired of people who can’t/won’t read, then have the audacity to throw there un-supported opinin around. [/quote]
He read it quite right. Stereotyps are started from some thread of truth. I was making a vast overstatement when using those expressions to make a point. But that does not negate what I say. The media shoves the bad actions of a few down the throat of the masses. News is written to entertain and elicit response from people in the name of selling woppers, ED meds, and Hummers (all this mind you from the so called “liberal” media). We see crooks nightly on television and what are we to think? Most people aren’t the free thinkers you’d think them to be–I was merely reflecting that sentiment.
As far as my comments about ministers driving Cadillacs–that was motivated by my beleife that christians who preach modesty should be practicing it.
In the future I will try not to generalize as much.
None of my comments were to disparage hardworking individuals–hardworking individuals are too busy working to be distracted by my stray comments.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Maybe you call it whining. I call it being sick and tired of people who can’t/won’t read, then have the audacity to throw there un-supported opinin around.
He read it quite right. Stereotyps are started from some thread of truth. I was making a vast overstatement when using those expressions to make a point. But that does not negate what I say. The media shoves the bad actions of a few down the throat of the masses. News is written to entertain and elicit response from people in the name of selling woppers, ED meds, and Hummers (all this mind you from the so called “liberal” media). We see crooks nightly on television and what are we to think? Most people aren’t the free thinkers you’d think them to be–I was merely reflecting that sentiment.
As far as my comments about ministers driving Cadillacs–that was motivated by my beleife that christians who preach modesty should be practicing it.
In the future I will try not to generalize as much.
None of my comments were to disparage hardworking individuals–hardworking individuals are too busy working to be distracted by my stray comments.[/quote]
Then I apologize. I’ll just go back to whining silently, and perfecting my plot to take over the world.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I am nowhere near rich, yet benefited substantially from the Bush tax cuts.
I have used the money to purchase made in America items such as a new kitchen set (Harley Davidson, kitchen set, I made the right choice).
How can you possibly say only the rich are better off?
If you’re telling us that you’re not rich but could afford a Harley and a Kithcen set with your tax cut then you deffinitely fall into the upper 10%. Which is 90% better than everyone else. [/quote]
No Harley, just the kitchen set. It was a stupid TV commercial.
I am nowhere close to the upper 10%.
Strictly middle class here.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
None of my comments were to disparage hardworking individuals–hardworking individuals are too busy working to be distracted by my stray comments.[/quote]
some of us work hard and check in here to kind of relax and might not appreciate generalizations like that.
Just sayin’!
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
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No, not all people with money are right wing zealots–just the right wing zelots with money. It just seems to me there are too many of them out there preaching. I am very guily of becoming overly emotional about it. I am sure there are some great people out there who practice what they preach.
But then again, people get tired of listening to leftist, tree-hugging hippie crap, too. ;-)[/quote]
Agree with both parts here.
Come on people–let’s not take ourselves too seriously!!
If you work hard you know who you are do you really need to justify it to the whole world?
[quote]100meters wrote:
Dean’s expertise is fundraising, and he’s doubling the rate of 2003. (Double= better) in what 100 days? And you seem mildly confused as to who the anti party is. Rethugs=anti. Against oh S.S, progressive taxes, against individual rights, against fiscal responsibility, against middle and lower classes, against the constitution, american values. Voting for people that don’t think they should be helping you really makes no sense.[/quote]
Wow, I guess you really put me in my place. I mean rethugs, thats just an argument that I can’t compete with. Oh and listing off a bunch of crap that the repubs are against that makes no sense what so ever. I will agree with you that they are against progressive taxes but I’m a little unclear as to how you think they are against everything else that you said. I suppose that I could take each one on a case by case basis but what would be the point? There is no point in addressing inane talking points endorsed by moveon.org. Maybe if the liberals in this country actually woke up to the fact that gross hyperbole concerning the republicans/conservatives is the main reason that they are losing ground. If the Dems had clue one Dean would be gone and someone who actually can play nice in the red states would be in. But then again, the Dems had 2 or 3 presidential nominees that probably could have beat Bush in the swing states but instead decided to prop up a New England lib and when he went down they went to another. There are plenty of Dems that can appeal to the reds, hell I live in one of the more conservative districts in freakin Texas and our rep is a dem who I voted for ( even though Bush won something like 70%).