[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I don’t have time for a shower tonight so I will forgo further comment.
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LOL! I am so worried about what further comment means to you if a shower is the inevitable end of it. Do you get so excited that you have to resort to that to get it all out? Or are you so disgusted that you have to wash the internets off? lmao
I’m sure you didn’t set out with it as a goal, but your campaign toward degrading yourself into an ever more debauched, hollow, substance-less shrill is proceeding with great success. You are on the track to disaster Oleena. You laugh now, but the bridge is out up ahead. You will likely not recognize that until you find yourself sprawled, bleeding on the rocks, face down in the gorge. I know the type all too well. All the filth you spew in your young tragic life will follow you as long as you live. Even if God were to actually save you this time, which I do pray that He does. I’m still paying the temporal consequences for mine. What a waste.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I’m sure you didn’t set out with it as a goal, but your campaign toward degrading yourself into an ever more debauched, hollow, substance-less shrill is proceeding with great success. You are on the track to disaster Oleena. You laugh now, but the bridge is out up ahead. You will likely not recognize that until you find yourself sprawled, bleeding on the rocks, face down in the gorge. I know the type all too well. All the filth you spew in your young tragic life will follow you as long as you live. Even if God were to actually save you this time, which I do pray that He does. I’m still paying the temporal consequences for mine. What a waste. [/quote]
Tell me what you did T-cat.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Oleena wrote:
Sure, except I (obviously) never had a problem with the situations Push brought up and thus don’t qualify for your “bigot” pigeon-hole. I don’t have a problem with C, either, except I think people should be allowed to officially make other people their family.[/quote]
For the fourth time it’s not about whether you have a problem with the situations I brought up; it’s about the absurdity of the state farting around with all kinds of “accommodations.”[/quote]
If you really don’t feel like “accommodating” them, why go through the effort of marking any box whatsoever at the polls?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Oleena wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Oleena wrote:
Truthfully, if Mary, Sally, Tod, and Steve all want to get married, it doesn’t affect me personally and as a result, I don’t think I really have a right to make a decision for them.[/quote]
It’s not about YOU making a decision for them. It’s about whether the state should officially sanction their marital contract.[/quote]
Who votes the states laws into action? We do. So we are in effect making a decision for others by voting to not allow marriage between certain people. [/quote]
If it doesn’t affect you personally why are you so doggoned adamant about legislating changes that warp an institution that is thousands of years old?
If it doesn’t affect you personally why don’t you just kick back and maintain some apathy? Why don the crusader cape?[/quote]
The action of gay marriage doesn’t affect me, but the nature of the law does. As for the warping of an institution, if that’s your concern, you should get off of this thread and start another thread about the evils of divorce and changes in property rights. Marriage is already irreparably warped from what it was even 200 years ago. In fact, if it was still in it’s original form (as I posted above), I honestly wouldn’t be supportive of gays getting married.
I’ll pose a hypothetical I raised some threads back for the gay marriage proponents.
Start the hyopthetical by assuming away the fact that heterosexuals produce children. Take that consideration out of the hypothetical. All you are left is a society with nothing but non-reproducing heterosexuals.
In this hypothetical world, does society (via the state) have any reason to enact public policy recognizing monogamous marriage between two heterosexuals?
[quote]Oleena wrote:<<< Tell me what you did T-cat.[/quote]I’m not sure what you mean.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
I’ll pose a hypothetical I raised some threads back for the gay marriage proponents.
Start the hyopthetical by assuming away the fact that heterosexuals produce children. Take that consideration out of the hypothetical. All you are left is a society with nothing but non-reproducing heterosexuals.
In this hypothetical world, does society (via the state) have any reason to enact public policy recognizing monogamous marriage between two heterosexuals?[/quote]
No. It would be unjustifiably discriminatory, as it would no longer serve a crucial purpose. It would be the creation of a class, simply for the sake of creating a class. State recognized marriage isn’t an institution for showing off individualist rights. Especially since, by definition, it must be discriminatory (unless ‘married’ is basically reduced to ‘adult citizen’) against other relationships. It’s about what irreplaceable and absolutely critical function is provided to SOCIETY, by the relationship.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I’m sure you didn’t set out with it as a goal, but your campaign toward degrading yourself into an ever more debauched, hollow, substance-less shrill is proceeding with great success. You are on the track to disaster Oleena. You laugh now, but the bridge is out up ahead. You will likely not recognize that until you find yourself sprawled, bleeding on the rocks, face down in the gorge. I know the type all too well. All the filth you spew in your young tragic life will follow you as long as you live. Even if God were to actually save you this time, which I do pray that He does. I’m still paying the temporal consequences for mine. What a waste. [/quote]
Any respect I might have had for you T evaporated with this post.
From you Ephrem that does actually hurt(I do mean that). I will not however exalt the favor of man over the truth of the King of the universe.
in a crazy abnormal world we live… rights for gay and lesbian:)… in the normal world they should practice they abnormal practices very secretly so not to make too much noise and the neighbors don’t suspect anything…
Actually most of them could be quite successfully treated from this perverted habit by electroshock and other medication… it has been done, but what happened, those the most aggressive activists did everything possible for this treatment not to continue to be practiced, this stuff like human rights and so on was already popular at that time… So now we talk about official recognized gay marriages!!! What’s going to be next???
[quote]Antonio. B wrote:
in a crazy abnormal world we live… rights for gay and lesbian:)… in the normal world they should practice they abnormal practices very secretly so not to make too much noise and the neighbors don’t suspect anything…
Actually most of them could be quite successfully treated from this perverted habit by electroshock and other medication… it has been done, but what happened, those the most aggressive activists did everything possible for this treatment not to continue to be practiced, this stuff like human rights and so on was already popular at that time… So now we talk about official recognized gay marriages!!! What’s going to be next??? [/quote]
Yeah, give me a cord and a stable power supply and I will cure your heterosexuality in 2 days.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Oleena wrote:<<< Tell me what you did T-cat.[/quote]I’m not sure what you mean.
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You wrote [quote]I’m still paying the temporal consequences for mine. What a waste.[/quote]
What did you do in your youth that you’re still paying the consequences for?
Homosexuals are allowed to vote, attend public schools, own property, hold public office, etc, so its not like they are oppressed. Why do unions between lovers need to be validated by the government anyway?
[quote]lawndarts wrote:
Homosexuals are allowed to vote, attend public schools, own property, hold public office, etc, so its not like they are oppressed. Why do unions between lovers need to be validated by the government anyway? [/quote]
Taxes and decision-making rights. That’s it.
[quote]Oleena wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Oleena wrote:<<< Tell me what you did T-cat.[/quote]I’m not sure what you mean.
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You wrote [quote]I’m still paying the temporal consequences for mine. What a waste.[/quote]
What did you do in your youth that you’re still paying the consequences for?[/quote]
A few pages back:[quote]I wanna make clear that apart from the grace of my beautiful savior? I have been and am every bit as bad as anyone else and probably worse than many. I’ll just say that in my young days before I came to know the Lord I was a pretty boy, long blonde n blue with a serious gift of gab. Not to mention I had drugs and money. I had no problem getting girls to do what I wanted. If God would grant me one wish I would ask Him if I could marry my wife over with both of us being virgins so we could make all those glorious discoveries together just the two of us. I mean that with everything I am man. I am just as guilty as anybody else.[/quote]Nothing I say here is likely to make any difference to you. You are going to wind up empty, lonely and miserable in a room full of “friends” Oleena. At least if there’s anything at all left of your conscience, self respect and dignity by then. I think there will be though.
[quote]Oleena wrote:
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
I can see the density in people’s understanding of how society functions. It is not the sexual act in and of itself, we have emphasized that many times, but you can’t get past that.
Do they teach critical thinking to people anymore?
I am done, I have seen there is no logical argument to someone with an agenda.
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You still haven’t answered how allowing gay people to marry is a great inconvenience to you. It’s not like you’re going to have to pay more for a marriage license, or your kids are going to be forced into gay sex. That’s where your comparison to accommodating the obese breaks down. If an airline makes “fat seats”, your ticket will reflect the price of them. Also, accommodating a person who steals or cheats means less money for you. Accommodating men who like fucking other men just means more women for you. It wont affect your pocket book or any other aspect of your personal life. [/quote]
Because the movement is directly violating my rights, forcing me to pay for their agenda, forcing their views on my children, and forcing me to change my beliefs.
But that is not the main problem, the problem is deeper, it is that this being accepted as a normal lifestyle is a sign of a deeper issue.
I have said, I have no problem with every citizen having their basic rights, my issue is with the special treatment thay are asking for.
I think the link to the report was removed, but it gave great detail as to how this was one of the factors that lead to the fall of Rome.
