I am with hardartery on this. Lower yes go off NO. If you don’t want to take an AI then you need to find out what T dose per week you can take and keep your E2 in check. In check for me would be 25-35 and no higher. (standard labcorp ranges)
If I was doing this experiment I would start at 80mg/wk T cyp mono and wait 5-6 weeks and do a mini blood test. Then I would up the T dose to 100mg/wk and again wait 5-6 weeks and mini blood test again.
This is the only way this works. No one can tell you how much you (((you))) can take an not need an AI.
Thanks guys this really helps. What about just giving it a few days to clear the E2 then start on say 12.5mg daily which is half the dose I was doing?
I’m off the market to buy loads of broccoli and lemons (hot lemon water) to help clear the excess E2.
Wish I could get my hands on dim or calcium d glucarate here but it’s priced Impossible. All I’ve got is grape seed extract and zinc. Pitiful I know.
I am sorry what do you have T cyp, T E ? If so then that whole daily thing is BS IMO.
Twice a week is fine. The half-life on that stuff is days. I am sorry but doing daily is a joke. If you like playing doctor on yourself then fine but just know it really isn’t helping. It’s a placebo effect.
Ah ok. Test-e is what I’m taking.
T E is awesome stuff. You need to find what dose can you take without needed an AI. That takes time like 5 week at a steady dose and mini blood test of TT FreeT and E2. Adjust your dose accordingly. It really is that simple. If you are in to the gym and muscle building visit the pharma forum and look in to blasting. I can help there there as well.
No I am not interested in your diagnosis.
I though you called us a bunch of douchebags why in the F are you still here?
We are not interested in your Face Book page please go away.
There is nothing here for you. You have already admitted you know it all.
Where is a link to the literature? I would love to read about it. I am in the medical field as a health care provider but do not specialize in hormones. I am in the camp that less medication the better in regards to T replacement. I do not like the idea of HCG but do not have enough info stating the reasons why we don’t need it. I actually have used it and don’t feel as good on it as I do off of it. As for AI not a fan but most everyone says its needed. I have been on it for 2 weeks and will try it for a month and then decide based on symptoms. Would love not to use anything except testosterone and a few supplements like D3, omegas and krill oil and maybe turmeric. Please share more. Thanks. I find the info very interesting that you are sharing.
I’m wondering where to go dosage wise. Never injected today and just had a decent orgasm but dick is still numb. Was proper rock hard though.
So nothing today, 25mg each day 3 days previously. I’m thinking either 25mg Monday, Wednesday, Friday or 25mg every other day? Can’t decide.
Or go for e3.5d and dial in for 100 shit into two doses?
Any advice greatly appreciated.
25 a day translates to 175 mg a week. Doing 100 split into two doses would be substantially less. Pick something and go with it for 6 weeks. Be patient. The levels have to build up and your body has to adjust to using this new thing floating around. It also has to adult to the synthetic. “Bio-identical” is not identical, it’s “looks good from here” identical. As far a we can tell, it’s the same, but clearly it is not exactly the same based on the different reaction it elicits from individuals.
why do you want to stay away from DIM?
ok this is bad because I have the same exact issues are you saying that TRT is actually causing these things? How do we fix it? Do we need to increase are FT like is being stated on this thread?
I’m in a third world country without dim or CDG. Don’t want to use an AI. Would rather down regulate my dose so I don’t need AI.
If my crazily stupid protocol so far has me at total test 826 and E2 87.5 what sort of dosage do you think I should try first?
I’d rather start low and go up to recompense for my stupidity.
I see you mentioned 50mg e3.5d for a total of 100mg a week. You think this is the wisest choice?
What I’m saying is that changing from your current dose of 175 mg to only 100 mg would be drastic. I think you should ride the 175 mg for a while. Hot lemon water is helpful for some as well, I’m guessing you can find lemon juice if not lemons, and water and warm that up. If nothing else, you could take a small dose of the AI once and see what that does . If 1/4 pill makes a difference then that would indicate you have issues with E2 being that high. One dose isn’t going to kill you, but it might inform you. But I would wait at least two or three weeks for your system to settle down and adjust.
Thanks hardartery I really appreciate this help.
I’ve only been on 175mg for 3 days and honestly I felt like I was going to pop with bloat and the glands at the bottom of my jaw below my ears were becoming sensitive and sore.
I thought of I injected daily I would be ok. Obviously not. Also my dick was a dead noodle that had no sensitivity and the most pathetic orgasm ever. 1/10 wouldn’t do again.
Week before that I was on 125mg for a week. E3.5d
12 weeks before that I was on 250mg (oops). Weekly shot! So stupid.
You can’t keep changing that quickly and expect anything but bad results. Pick something reasonable and stick with it.
If I go cold turkey for a week to clear my system of excess estrogen will I balloon? I know it’s a bad idea, I just need confirmation.
I have been there and know how you feel. Unfortunately, the only solution, for me, is to take an AI. In the perfect scenario we wouldn’t need an AI, but it’s better than having high E2 symptoms. I loathed taking AIs, I used to take anastrozole and it was a rollercoaster, now I’m on exemestane (Aromasin) and now it’s better, E2 is under control and it’s not unpredictable as anastrozole is. Are there any specific reasons/concerns for not wanting to take an AI? You said you’re in a 3rd world country, if you’re in Brazil (as I am), you can buy AIs at drug stores without prescription, and if you go to a compounding pharmacy they can make it for you in the exact does you need (which would be very low doses) and for a small fraction of the price charged by retail drug stores, very cheap really.
thebigzerg27 thanks I really appreciate your input. I’m staying to wonder if I can do this without an AI but I really don’t want to.
I’m in Thailand (lived here 9 years now) and I can get hold of clomiphene (not sure of dosing) but I really don’t want to unless I really HAVE to.
I’ve tried the grape seed extract and zinc for which hasn’t worked. Dim and CDG impossible to get hold of in shops or online. I’m away soon so I can’t wait for a delivery from iherb USA.
I read elsewhere people were doing 150mg zinc instead of AI but it’s not worked according to my bloods.
Thing is how low a dosage and total test will I have to go to get my estrogen into an acceptable zone? I still want the benefits of muscle mass and vitality too.
I also did a 250 mg shot the first week. My E2 was 124. My only side was bloat, but 20 lbs of it. I now use just under 200 mg a week and no AI and I’m fine. My body adjusted. I used a little AI initially to keep the bloat in check, but with time discovered that I don’t need it anymore.