I’m totally for not using an AI. It would make life much simpler. But I can’t feel my dick and it is so difficult to orgasm. I just want to sort it out.
pimp your issue may or may not be E2 related.
Many guys on TRT have reported upto a 75% loss in penile sensitivity.
I have been dialed in for the last 3 years but TRT never fixed my ED, or penile sensitivity. It did fix my libido.
When my E2 goes to high my ED is so bad 20mg of cialas and 20mg lavitra together will not keep me hard. I did not read that on the internet my dick stops working and when I get my E2 down it comes back. I have the blood tests to back my words. Me and discountedlab are good friends.
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I had great libido but poor sensitivity and difficulty having an orgasm. I increased my dose further and as soon as it got to 30 ng/dL all of the sensitivity came back and orgasms are way easier to achieve. I can have sec 3 times a day without issue at 45 years old compared to the maybe once a day when my free T sat at 16 ng/dL. It’s literally night and day. Taking an AI makes it worse as well as taking HCG. Those claiming sensitivity issues typically need to raise their free T levels for symptom resolution.
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Thanks this really gives me hope. It’s so depressing wanting sex and it taking ages to get hard and having no sensitivity.
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That is my main issue too. I am hoping getting free T up enough will resolve it.
I’ve taken my Free T up to this for 12 weeks. With no help with ED or sensitivity.
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There is never just one solution for everyone. Free T is important, but it doesn’t magically solve all problems.
@hardartery this is a 12 year old study. There is no way you read it. If you read it, you can’t possibly be this stupid to claim it to be interesting. They had a LOW testosterone level. There is absolutely no RELEVANCE as the title leads you to believe. If they would have done the study with OPTIMIZED levels of testosterone the outcome would have been different. This is not an E2 issue. This is a testosterone deficiency issue.
@hrdlvn may I ask what your protocol is? What total T numbers do you have to attain that level of free T? Did you go from much lower levels of free T to this much higher level rather quickly or did you try everything in between?
Your point? It’s not actually the study, you’ll notice I didn’t call it a study. The report was talking about level imbalance. The ratio is the question, not the actual levels. You cannot say that it’s not an E2 issue. You simply cannot. Just because you believe differently doesn’t make it so. My personal experience is that E2 levels make no difference to me. 8 felt the same as 124 (I had both on TRT level dosing. Does this mean that that’s the case for everyone? No. There are people on here who have found that to be not the case for them. And that is the basic problem that we keep having. You are insisting on an absolute that you correlate with your experience. And you should know better if you have an IQ higher than 70.
I’m not correlating it with my experience. I’m correlating with the literature. You can also more than double that IQ number, but then I’d probably need to provide evidence of that as well, which you would then claim is not evidence, or is Photoshopped, or is a forgery. Pointless.
Your posts have largely referenced hat you did and how it worked for you, with mention of supposed literature that isn’t showing up here. Real research doesn’t go in a PDF on a Facebook page. It goes through peer-review and gets published. If you actually read anything, you would see that we largely share the same opinion on TRT, but you persist in speaking in absolutes and references to reference material that you refuse to share here.
If you had any idea as to the time it took for us to compile all of that research, making that group probably the most valuable place on all things TRT, and you think I’m just going to dump it all here? For you? A moron? I’m just going to say, “Here you go! Here is all our hard work!” You’ve got to be fucking high. I share my experiences as they exactly matched the literature that was presented to me after the fact.
There is no use for an AI even
when “dialing in” except in the the rare instance of mastalgia. Never see anyone with “estrogen symptoms “ nor do my colleagues. That is a absolute by the way. There is absolutely no need for an AI when on TRT except for mastalgia (rare) and you don’t need to measure SHBG…another absolute. Although there was a time not so long ago I thought different…until I learned differently by following the medical literature
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There are guys whose personal experience says that they do need an AI. That’s not my experience, but they have blood work to go with it. The E2 hits a certain level and Ed. Therefore I’m never going to say that no one needs it except for mastalgia. Science changes, and what the studies say today are helpful, but could change based on what we do not know. And I’m certain that humanity as a whole and science in general lacks a lot of knowledge. We never know everything. So it’s just ego when someone starts talking in absolutes. Do we know the guy’s entire medical history and current shape? No. Does he need an AI? I seriously doubt it. Does he need HCG? Maybe, but I think that’s mostly a vanity thing, most guys don’t NEED it. Should he miss the opportunity to be more informed about how he reacts to things when the damage is already done? No. He should take the opportunity to learn something about himself and his biochemistry by dropping one thing at a time.
We follow the medical literature, but we also know that anecdotal experience from outliers leads research at times and research by nature tries to exclude the experience of outliers.
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Ouch that is an ugly blood test. No wonder your dick quit working. I guess you have a choice.
This forum has pro AI guys and DO NOTHING nature will fix itself in do time guys. Just hope your prolactin is not also over range or in about a year you will have a nice set of manboobs.
In case you are wondering I am in the camp you need to get back on your anastrozole asap.
I’ve never been on an AI. I will lower my trt dose. I’m trying to avoid AI.
Should I come off trt to let the E2 drop down and then get back on it?
I wouldn’t. You adjust. I bloated like the Michelin man initially. Now I’m okay. I did use a very small dose initially because of the bloat. My wife said I looked like a heart attack.